Welcome Caribbean reasons, today is experimental show, first time I have guest on, he is a crazy Croatian fascist, one of my oldest online friends, this is not guest centered show as you know, this is a bop show, I come here to do voice entertainment program weekly, you know I never blather just in front of microphone, I write things out ahead and often there's more than one take. I do this because I've never liked the podcast style. My mind wanders and I know many of you do like podcasts and the friendly atmosphere of talk between friends but my show is more radio voice performance for people who don't really enjoy podcasts. Occasionally there will be guests on and I think you will all be interested in Nicolas'

stakes. You know him as feasted by Foucault now on Twitter, but I know him as Nicolas Salo for over 10 years. He's expert international relation. I know many of you are interested in Europe and the European political scene, the electoral status of many European nationalist parties. You know this news station Al Jazeera cable station. It has demented politic, of Of course. They actually, they push all the left tranny stuff on the West, even though they're from Qatar. You know, you get lectured by a Qatari news anchor about campus rape in America. How special. But I actually enjoyed watching their news section for a while because they were the only TV news station to show you news from around the world, important events that happened

day in Japan or Tanzania or Thailand or wherever with direct footage, when is the last time any news station showed you actually news from around the world? As you know, they no longer even have reporters in any of these places. I think all news now relies on local reporters of AFP. Stations like CNN have no local correspondence anymore. They all got fired. They're not news stations. knowledge reporter knows nothing about the world. Well, Nico, today's guest, is unlike that and very much like the older high-class journalist instead. He's like the highest class of Al Jazeera journalist. Well I don't know if that's a compliment, but I mean to say he knows a lot directly about European political scene first-hand. He knows Italy very well. He knows many politicians in Italy.

And I won't talk to him also about Germany elections, but you will notice something peculiar. He has a psychological warfare name right now, fisted by Foucault. Foucault was, I believe, advocate of fisting. You know what this is? It is a noble practice invented by modern homosexual cults. You know that the people, the media has gotten polite, middle class, nice wine moms to believe are just a Brady Bunch or normal suburban family. Like that butt jig character they promote for president. But then I think people would be quite surprised if they knew about the kinds of things Tim Koch actually gets up to. Some say Donatello, the artist, was a poofter, but you know, what he did with that does not measure up to fisting and the contributions of this movement, the gay movement contributions

to high life, like what you see they produced in 1980s, you know Foucault worked for the CIA and promoted feasting as a sexual practice and wrote a lot of academic half-baked books that are now cited and believed by your average American professor at large. Isn't that superior to Donatello, or you know that doesn't compare with innovations such as novel parasitic infections you only used to see in pigs and sheep and of course AIDS, Something that in a previous age would have disappeared within a few years. It would have been the preserve of the most wretched cults. Let's say it could have appeared and probably did in medieval times. But it would have disappeared after it had quickly killed off its practitioners.

But in modern world, we like to keep that sort of thing on a simmer, and to have it slowly creep into general population in the blood supply. I think maybe next time or some other show I will talk, however, AIDS denialism conspiracy theory is very entertaining. You know, some major people push for this. They say AIDS does not exist, or it is not in the way you understand it. For example, Peter Duisberg, who is not some long internet nutcase like me, he's professor of cell biology at UC Berkeley. or Carrie Mullis, who got the Nobel Prize for inventing the PCR procedure, and many others who are hardly outside the establishment, but they say, for example, HIV does not cause AIDS. And then there is another school of thought based in Perth, Australia, that claims HIV

isn't even proven to exist. These are the two main schools of AIDS denialism, and of course they conflict, but both come to the conclusion that it is the gay lifestyle as such that leads to a complex of wasting diseases and immune breakdown and that this disease, AIDS, has essentially been invented for political reasons. That Africa, for example, is taking advantage of this to get foreign aid, but that a lot of what gets called AIDS in Africa is actually something else. And this is very interesting, there are degrees by the way of craziness here that you can accept – in other words, parts of these claims may be true, even if the general one is not. That's the advantage of considering crazy theories. There's an old Mossad line, let the crazy speak. I think this is excellent.

I live by this. Because even if a crazy idea is wrong, it brings out certain important facts you then have to face or explain. It helps you find the truth in other ways. But that's a subject for another time. You know, the health blogger Mangan, the carnivory blogger, he used to be a right-wing thinker before and he talked at times about AIDS denialism. That's how I found out about it. It sounds like a crazy, shocking theory, but I think there's more to it than you first think. Do you really deny, after everything you're seeing now, that authorities will pull a big lie on you? Well, this one may not be that big lie, but it's interesting to consider anyway, and I will do so some other time. For now, in next segment, I will welcome to show Nicolas Salo to discuss the situation

in Europe, his strange name, fisted by Foucault, and of course, my sexual superiority to all other men. Because it's possible that I'm the only straight man in the world, and I will prove it one day by sodomizing all of you. Hello and welcome to Caribbean Rhythms. I have online long-distance Croatian fascist You know him as bi-fisted, fisted by Foucault, but I know him as Nicolas Salo, old friend calling in his head, I am told, force expresso, calling in from split Croatia. Welcome Nicolas Salo to Caribbean reasons, first guest. Hello, Nicolas. Hello, Nicolas. Hello, Bap. First of all, thank you for allowing me the honor and the pleasure of being your first ever guessed on this world-breaking and globally important podcast. Secondly, I can't believe that

you had two of your female staff fly out here from Rome just to make sure that I'm in the most possible comfortable setting to record the show. So, thank you very much on that. But, before we start the program, I was thinking about something today. A scenario that I wanted to ask you about for little bits now. It's very important because how you answer this question is going to impact what people think about your political opinions on various subjects that are important primarily to Americans, let's say on things like health care or school vouchers. So this is what I was thinking. Anne Hutchian, well-known podcaster from Red Scare, Bolshevik, Michelin, half Jewish, half Armenian. One night, she knocks on your door, coked out of her head, and she's desperate for

your attention. You, out of pity, open the door, allow her in. Now, you have two options. Your first option is to sit her down, humiliate her by playing the entire speech by Josef Gerbils, the famous his total war speech in 1943 at the Berlin sports palace or the second option where you put the mask of Ataturk on your face and layer the beating that she not only craves but deserves. Now think about this carefully. How do you answer this question? Yes, I will force her to watch a user name on videos, you know, your friend user name and roofs of the world, Tibetan esoteric Hitlerism. And I will force her to watch this. I've done this before with many girls. She will enjoy. But I have to tell you, I did meet Anna Khatchi, and she tried to sit on my face, okay?

But I think I want to tell the audience that Nicolas Salo is a Croatian authoritarian, maybe something like this, or illiberal democrat. I don't know what you'd call it. But he is a strong, believing Catholic. And in the United States, we are faced with something called Catholic integralism, which is a branch of so-called conservatism. They want to take over conservative movement. And these are such people as Vermula, who—a professor, a Harvard professor, who pretends to be a Catholic monarchist, and Ross Douthat at The New York Times, and quite a few others, Perhaps the First Things magazine, many of them, especially Vermula, obsessed with me were obsessed with the Bronze Age pervert attacking me as supposedly a pagan nihilist Nietzschean who is corrupting the youth.

And I wanted to ask Nicolas Salo, who is a believing Catholic and who believes in power of the Church and politics—I'm not sure, I will let him clarify—what he makes of this Catholic integralism in United States and how it compares to Catholic regimes in Europe, for example, Franco or Salazar before? The first thing that I have to say here, Bap, is that you have only the greatest and finest of enemies, and not just the integralists, the Catholic integralists in the United States, but everywhere, and not just in the sense of politics, but even, let's say, waitstaff and restaurants who constantly harass you. they let me do this because they recognize your inherent power. Now, when it comes to integralism in the USA, Our Lady of Guadalupe, the idea that if we

bring as many Catholics as possible into the borders of the United States, turn them into Americans, we're somehow magically going to transform the United States into a very Catholic political entity. Now this does sound fantastical which I'm sure even the most devoted and you of course Catholic integralists will agree. But we as Catholics must believe in the power of the Holy Spirit to transcend all opposing forces. So me speaking as a Catholic is I like this idea, but there are various problems with this idea. Catholic integralism, historically, has, of course, been primarily in majority Catholic regimes, states, countries, principalities, etc. The United States is an inherently Protestant construct. So, you already have this issue whereby

even the Catholics in the United States are a sort of watered down Catholic, Protestantized Catholics. So not only do you have the issue of demography with Catholics not being an actual absolute majority, you also have an issue of the lack of Catholicism among Catholics already existing with the United States. There are people who constantly bring up another valid point, the point being that many of these Latin Americans upon whom the integralists pin their hopes to Catholicism in the United States are really not Catholic syncreticists who believe in Santa Muerte or have already converted to Protestant evangelicalism. And those that are showing up will eventually turn into evangelicals. So these are all enormous hurdles that make the idea

and the ability to swallow the arguments in favor of Catholic integralism all that much more difficult. Yes. Yes. They had some opportunity, I think, to impose Catholicism in South America, but without much success, even with dictators or very strong executives, such as many South American states have right now still. So I don't know how they hope to have a Catholic regime in America when we see with Trump the executive actually is not very strong. I'm going to talk over you right now and show you some disrespect and continue, because you brought up a very good point. In Latin America, Christianity, and especially Catholicism, is very tied into the poor. We saw that with liberation theology. And this is an off-ranch of Marxism.

if you have these types of Catholics coming into the United States, they're also violating probably the most important ethos of the USA itself. The business of America is business. This is why the powers that be in the United States would never let a Bernie Sanders win. Why would they let not just a Bernie Sanders win, but let's say a bunch of faithful, fanatical, socialist Catholics come close to any power in the USA. I don't see that as feasible. Yes. I also must be emphasized as Franco is probably what people think about when they think Catholic dictator, and to some extent Salazar, although he was not really Catholic dictatorship. How would it look in the United States? very strange to me even what these integralists are proposing, let's say

Vermula or Dowsett, does not sound to me anything like what I know historically to be Catholic dictatorship or Catholic regime. They seem rather concerned with this interpretation of Imago Dei, made in the image of God, this line from Genesis, which I believe they interpret in a way that Christians did not interpret for for 2,000 years, and they twist that essentially to mean the program of open borders of the USA elite, and they put a kind of Catholic face on it. This is my view of what they're doing. What do you make of that? Why does it look nothing like what Franco was doing, or like we were talking before about Charles Mora and Acción Francés from France, the Catholic, fascist so-called program? Can you comment on that? Of course, I can comment on that.

Here is a classic quote from the Spanish war, the most important conflict from an ideological perspective in the entire 20th century. During the Spanish Civil War, there were various factions divided into two main groupings. The Republicans, who consisted of everything from liberal Democrats, let's say, small businessmen all the way through to anarchists, Trotskyites, communists. On the other side, you had the rebels who were the nationalists. These were composed of various groups as well, ranging from royalists to integralists who are subsumed by the royalists, to open fascists like the Falange, to military men, the grouping that Franco came from. The famous quote about the Spanish war, and this is important to understand, is, I forget

who said it, but he said, even the communists in Spain are Catholic. This is very important because what it shows is that even though you had fanatical groupings that were digging up nuns, digging up priests, digging up their corpses, just to parade them around and to desecrate them, or sometimes desecrate them for a second or third time, these same people, their entire worldview was so informed by Catholicism that even as they went over to Marxism or to Bakunin and Proudhon and their various forms of anarchism, They still saw everything through Catholic filters, through Catholic lenses. That is not the same in the United States where you have a Protestant based around ideas of individual liberty that informs not only culture, but economics and politics as a whole.

So it's a case of trying to push a round peg into a square hole. It's not a proper fit. Yes. Do you believe, as I have said, that these so-called Catholic integralists in the United States are in fact liars, that they are not genuine Catholic integralists, that they themselves are promoting a kind of liberation theology, and in fact fully is a program of the globalist elite, just with a Catholic faith, with some Catholic aesthetics? Would you disagree with that? You're asking a question about intentions, and I don't think I can answer that question because it means a peer into the soul, individual people. I am not, I don't have the power that you have to do that, do that. At the same time, there's also a question of pragmatism versus being principled.

And let's say some of these people are principled and sincere in their objective about Catholic integralism in the United States. There also might be those that are sincere that seek to approach it pragmatically, whereby they don't touch certain rails that should not be touched in US politics because it automatically disqualifies you from the discourse and from respectable community. Yes, I see, I understand. But let's move to more interesting matter now regarding Catholic integralism. Would you care to comment on this French organization Acción Française and on its founder, Charles Mora? You said, you read recently article on this in Catholic magazine First Things. Fantastic article, fantastic article that popped up a few

days ago in First Things magazine by Nathan Punkowski called The Revenge of Mora. I urge everybody to read this, and I've posted it all over the place, whether at Salaform, which we'll discuss later, and of course on my Twitter feed, and I've excerpted it. Charles Mora, who was a very gifted and talented writer, a lemacist, huge influence on French politics, born in the mid 19th century, died shortly before World War II. He was an agnostic at first and an ambassador for a long time. And some of his writings actually got him into a lot of trouble with the church. The Vatican actually banned his writings, I think, for a period of 16 years. The ban was lifted in 1939. But Mora was, in essence, an anti-republican. What this meant was that he was opposed to all

forms of republicanism because he felt that not only did it go against the nation, but it went against God. And he had a lot of foresight. And I think he is regaining currency, regaining popularity because a lot of his writing stemmed from the fact that he saw republicanism, represented by various camera bodies, parliaments, all this as pitting the people against their own people, thereby dividing the nation. This is very important when we discuss Poland and Hungary in a bit. His proposal was to scrap all this in the name of national unity, whereby opposing groups would rally around a figure and his figure was a monarch. Now, I'm not necessarily a monarchist, but his argument is the argument for monarchy that makes the most sense to me.

Whereby you take the symbolic face of the state away from various bodies that are easily amenable and put it onto the face of a monarch right into higher power, higher power, that being... Yes, I understand. I think that the New World Order is trying to interfere with our connection and there are some duplicated phrases on your end. Would you care to repeat just the very last phrase of what you said? The very last phrase? Okay. Mora came to the conclusion that monarchy was the best solution in respect to how to arrange society because he felt The bicameral bodies, parties, all of that, all of that only helped to entrench the division between the various peoples that constitute a nation. By rallying around a monarch, you were rallying around the nation, and the monarch could not

be a divisible figure himself, because he himself was indivisible as a single entity. Yes. Yes, I think we should end this first segment on this note. And I will add, last week I discussed the leftist takeover of South America in context of Argentinian elections. And it's worth it to note that during the military dictatorship in Argentina in the late 1970s, there were quite a few Frenchmen involved in those military operations against Marxist terrorism. And they had come directly from Accion Francis, including a theologian—I think his name is Jean Ousey, who made a theory about opposing worldwide Marxism. And the dictatorship in part tried to put into action his idea, which was to eliminate the social base of leftism.

They tried to do this, even by having military operations against universities that were strongholds of Marxism in Argentina. It ended up not working, perhaps for other reasons, not having to do with this. But it's important for people to understand, as this proof, I feel, from states which is anistic, at least. And let me interject a point here, Bapi, is that one of the reasons why I'm very much an admirer of José Antonio Primo de Rivera, the leader of the Spanish Falange, is he sought to co-opt the left in a, let's say, a proto-form of Nazbolism, even though he was opposed to communism and even though he himself was not a Nazi. He recognized that the major sticking point with a lot of the left in pre-Civil War Spain was the grinding poverty of the masses of the campesinos,

the poor farmers who did not have their own land. His solution, which was part of national syndicalism, which was the way to get rid of all these internal divisions within a nation for the sake of national unity was to win concessions from the various landowners to help these people be able to get their own plots of land thereby winning them over to their side of the political divide so this is something to keep in mind that if you have an opponent such as the social left which you've mentioned just now there are ways to divide them that are not going to necessarily impact or completely harm your own side. Yes, important to note. I was just saying this about Argentina to make that this organization, Acción Francés, is not just some

obscure think tank. They had important worldwide representatives active during the Cold War in all kinds of theatres. People should know this. Well, one of the fun facts, and people are going to find this funny, is that Justin Trudeau's father, Pierre Trudeau, he actually flirted with Akses back in the time of World War II. He was very much anti-Anglo time, and he had a brief flirtation with the groupings that were presented out there in Quebec. So yes, you're right, this wasn't limited just to France. This was actually a phenomenon in the entire Franco-Spone sphere, as well as in Latin America. Yes, very good. Let us take a break, and now next we move to discussion of European electoral politics and the Visegrad Group. Thank you. Yes. Hello.

We are back on show with Nicolas Salo, amazing worldwide Croatian nationalist. Hello, Nicolas. Welcome back to show. Welcome back from BAP. Hello, BAP. Yes. Before we dive in to the rest of the things that we were going to discuss, people have, of course, been asking me information about you. I've got a very tight lid on this for the sake of OPSEC. OPSEC is very important to a man like yourself, a man as important, as vital and as powerful as yourself. But sometimes public service is necessary. And I would like to inform everybody that because your show has finally hit the magic number of five hundred thousand subscribers, that I can reveal that I have pinpointed the location of the funding, the secret funding behind this podcast to either one of two places

in Argentina, either Rosario or Cordoba, and that these funders are most likely older German men. Can you can you answer this? Can you speak to this? Yes, it's true. They are a German pervert. And outside of Cordoba, many people don't know, is in center of Argentina, dead center. I think it's where Che Guevara was from. But there is place there called Capicia del Monte, is a small city, small town in the mountains, big site, center of UFO sightings, UFO center. And this not coincidence. I have spent much time there, and I want to also inform audience that there is big tradition in that part of Cone of South America. You go to South Brazil, there used to be governors in the 1980s who had complete absolute authority over their own province, and they built UFO roundways.

And UFO cults are very big in that part of Cone of South America. I believe in this kind of federalism. You know, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in Russia, he make chess palace in the Kalmyk Republic of Russia. Putin lets him—gives him complete free hand to do what he wants. He rules it like a medieval thief, this governor of this small Russian republic, Kalmykia. And he built there a huge chess palace, and he puts chess in schools. He's obsessed with chess. But was Bobby Fischer ever there? I am not sure, but this man, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, he bought out, he became president of World Chase Federation, simply because Putin gives him complete power to do what he wants in his own domain. And this is a version of federalism I believe in. Anyway, you are right.

In Argentina, there are these local traditions and local German barons. They have been funding me for—but let's tell this audience how we met. Nicolas Salo is an old friend of mine, one of my oldest online friends. We must have met more than 10 years ago, must be 11 years. And then you made this forum called Salo. You made it because we kept getting banned or I kept getting banned from even very far-right forums or free speech forums like Zephora. They kept banning me. They could not take Bronze Age perversion. So Nicolas Salo made this special forum for a niche of a niche of a corner of the Internet. Back in 2007, you in your pre Bronze Age perverts incarnation, which was Hyperion. I'm sorry to have to let the bag out of the bag about that.

But you popped up on a place called the Fora, which is still in existence. A lot of good people there, but also a lot of shitty quality people there. Now, what endeared you to me was that upon our first encounter in a chat box room, you were under attack from all sides. And usually when a person is under attack from all sides, they're seeking allies from whoever they can get just for the sake of numbers. So when I entered the conference and said, hello, you asked me how big my dick is. And I thought, OK, I don't know. This is interesting. It's a lie. It's a complete lie. Now, after both of us getting banned from there, repeatedly brought back, et cetera, you more so than I, I decided to set up Salo Forum, which is going to celebrate its ninth anniversary on the 29th of this month.

A niche of a niche of a niche, as you say, for people who simply couldn't be tolerated even on the most far right of far right forums, usually due to the fact that we come across as a bit more foreign. But a lot of the favorite online people on our side of the internet have come out of this little tiny forum. Yourself, the bureaucrat came out of there. The famous Haakon, the scientist, the racial scientist. He was there for a while. Poseidonos and other people that people have only heard of. People like Thomas 777 and of course the amazing Valencian Cornelio from Spain. So we spent years and years and years on this site, salo-forum.com, you're all welcome to join us by the way and please do, to engage in our political autism, which we've refined to such a point that people

actually listen to the shit that we talk about and take it seriously. Yes, we were pariahs, many of us, pariahs of internet, I got banned from basically every forum that I've ever been part of, every internet forum, including a so-called bodybuilding Minsk forum that banned me for quote unquote threatening, sending threatening DMs. And then of course, Roush banned me from his forum and we have no place to go. We were the original, we were chased for our freedom of speech, our freedom of thought. In many ways, we're heroes. Yes. So let's tell audience, you know, then I met Nick in person. I visited him in Croatia, when was that, two years ago, before BAP book came out, before I wrote my book. And we met in Croatia. What do you have to tell the audience about this, about me?

So, yes, so BAP, and the curiosity with BAP all the time was, is he the actual product that he pushes online to all these impressionable youths? and without joking about it, he actually is. He is not a fat slob as some hope that he actually would be. The man is in serious shape. He is not six foot three the height of gods, so that is a strike against him. But the man is a beast, and not only is he a beast, but he projects himself as a beast. On the island of Brac one day, he said, Nick, I need to go do my cable exercises. And I said, sure, let's go do some cable exercises. So we found a populated spot on the beach. He had his short, short, tight, short, short song, began to do his cable exercises, and he started to intimidate all the Swedish men who were on vacation

with their Asian wives, and he said, look how intimidated they are. And I noted how intimidated they were. Yes. You mentioned height. It's supposed to tell people that the area where Nikola comes from, the Dalmatian Alps, the Dinaric Alps, is the tallest man in the world. These are a combination of Croatians, Montenegrins, Bosnians from that area. And Nikola himself is a very giant man. I heard that if you do not reach six feet tall by the age of 18, if you're on the Dinaric Alps, your father kills you. Yes, he's giving a warning at 16 that if he doesn't grow up to the proper height within the next two years, he will be killed. Usually what happens is, though, some places have unfortunately liberalized where they

only beat the shit out of their sons and walk them in shame out of the village. It's a horrible development, but modernity somehow seeps in everywhere. Yes. And you will admit right now, on air, right now, live before the audience, that I am the most handsome man that you've ever met, yes? You are the most handsome man and the most sexually powerful man that I've ever met. But I did psychologically dominate you while you were here in Dalmatia. Well, some may disagree, but first, any new people at Salo Forum have to concede my sexual superiority, any new members. is part of rules there. But you say you psychologically dominated me. I would beg to differ and I want to remind you that my mother visited us and you tried to talk to her politics and

she just shut you down. She would not have you lecture her, okay? And she thinks you're a gypsy. Your mother shut me down. I'll have to concede the point yes you know well anyway so yes Nicolas we should talk now about electoral situation in Europe we talk about your public man no material Salini yes we are back from show had to take a emergency break my glycine ran out and the nickel of course is getting shit face drunk on slivovitz which is the drink for pre it's the perfect drink if you want to take prior to ethnic pogrom. You drink this swill made from distilled apricots or plums. I don't know. It's one of these Slavic ape drinks. I don't understand it. But, Nicola, welcome back. We're back to show. And I

want to ask you now about European regional electoral elections and the condition of nationalism in Europe. Where should we start? You know a lot about Italy, about Salvini. You know, you know him personally or something like this. Everyone knows how much I love Il Capitano Matteo Salvini, the captain, and he's a very popular figure not only in Italy, across Europe, and even in North America. He is a man that exudes charm and he is a very intelligent and politically savvy operator at the same time. Now, what we must understand about Matteo Salvini is that he is a product of his origins, his origins being in Milan. He's a Lombard. He's a Northern Italian. People, though, are unaware that it was him that pushed the program to expand Lega Nord,

the Northern League, the party that was set up initially to pursue greater autonomy for Northern Italy to the point of a secession where they would call their own country Padania. Matteo Salvini said, uh-uh, don't like that. We are going to go for an all Italy solution. So he is to be credited for that. He's also to be credited as a very loyal man, because never did he let slip that he was going to pursue this while he was not in command of the party. He bided his time, he waited, and then he seized power, and then he moved the party to this position, and it has reflected in a wide level of popularity for the party, where they're not polling consistently over 32, 33 percent, and that's a conservative estimate. They are now waiting in the wings to take power

come the next election. Matteo Salvini, who has probably the greatest social media presence of any politician on the Internet, Trump is nowhere near him. Trump is the master of Twitter. Everyone has to give that to him. But what Salvini does across many platforms, no one can touch him. He has created such a unique blend of man of the people as well as being a nationalist where he is not out of touch or not coming across as an elitist himself. So the situation in Italy now, to bring everyone up to speed, is that Matteo Salvini and Lega, he changed the name from Lega Norte to Lega to make sure that it encompasses all of Italy, previously mentioned, is they were in power up until a few months ago when Salvini's party started

getting pressure from its own grassroots to make a play for a move. They were not happy with some of the actions of their coalition partner M5S, also a populist party, not necessarily ideological but more anti-elitist, with people from both the right, the left, and of course the center as well. They were not happy that M5S, Five Star Movement, their coalition partner, was opposing moves towards a flat tax. Salvini has not only staked his claim on restricting immigration, which he did a great job of as interior minister, we have all the stats showing how few new arrivals were accepted onto Italian soil, but also in reforming the economy, whereby it would not be a simple transfer of wealth to the rich, but rather a cut across the border tax as a flat tax that he got inspiration

from from Viktor Orban in Hungary, who has himself and his people seen great success with that flat tax solution. M5S was not exactly too excited about that. So Salvini was urgent to making a play, which was his probably first false step. The coalition fell apart and the former communists, now Social Democratic Party, one of the two biggest parties in post-war Italy, came in to fill the vacuum, formed a coalition with Five Star, and Salvini now is the main man in opposition. He is just waiting for his moment to strike, teasing the government to call an election. Everyone knows that the governing coalition is not very popular, it's tottering, it's very fragile, but they themselves know the second they call an election, they're in real deep shit. Yes, I see.

I hope you are right, because I was very disappointed at what he did when he got himself out of power. I do not think that was for the chess. I think he made a mistake. And we will see, all of Europe may end up paying for his mistake. But on the other hand, what if the current technocratic parties end up stopping immigration themselves through some other channel? I don't know. But you mentioned that, you mentioned, we can get to that in a second, but you mentioned that he took inspiration from Orban. So perhaps you would care to comment on recent developments with Hungary and Poland. Yes, I'll tie this all in together. Salvini, while he was interior minister a few months ago, actually had meetings with Orban, publicized. I posted a lot about that, great pictures, everything.

And they actually engaged in public displays of unity. The reason for this is that Orban, Hungary, a country of a little over 10 million people, does not have the weight of Italy, who has the third strongest economy in the EU. They actually have a larger economy than England when you factor in the gray economy and the black economy. So Hungary, of course, has to seek out partners. It has a partner in Poland and it had a partner in Salvini. So all of us are disappointed that Salvini is out of government, Lega's out of government. But we have to be cognizant of the fact that he was the junior partner in that government. So there is a longer game here at play, even though tactically he did lose by being forced out of government.

Now, going over to Hungary, this is the most important question in Europe today. Is Europe going to be a federal superstate whereby countries are no longer countries but basically branch offices of Brussels, or is Europe going to be a community of sovereign nations? The community of sovereign nations is a phrase, a term that's gaining currency in large parts of Europe. it himself. So have the Poles, so have the Slovaks, so have the Slovenes, and so has Salvini and others in Italy. The desire to create an EU superstate is still there. Macron is making moves in this direction. The Germans have stopped for now because of the weakness of their position and because Merkel's party, the CDU, has been taking a beating in Germany, which I'll speak

about in a second. But to make people understand is that there's a lot of people, especially on on Lyme, especially on the right, who have a kneejerk reaction against the European Union. And this is not necessarily a positive. The kneejerk reaction against the European Union as a whole is probably what costs Marine Le Pen a good 5, 6, 7 percentage points in the French election, which she herself has admitted in her loss to Macron. The EU is very popular among Europeans. is not popular, but immigration is not everything the EU is about. At the same time, we need to separate what the EU is and what the Eurozone is. The Eurozone comprises only those countries that have the euro as their currency, countries like Italy, countries like Germany,

countries like France, and you have those that are outside countries like Poland, for example. So everyone needs to understand that the battle is no longer between countries that want to get out and countries I want to stay in. The battle now is, what form is the EU going to take? Now, the EU accuses these countries, Hungary and Poland in particular, of being illiberal democracies. I actually wrote a piece about this a little over a year ago, I think it was, in Jacobite magazine run by Robert Mariani and those guys. And it got a lot of positive feedback, so I'm very happy about it. But one person who raised the point about tiling of that was a guy who criticized, actually, your presence in the American mind, Michael Brendan Doherty from NRO, National Review Online.

And he said, he sent me a DM, he said, but I don't really think they're liberal democracies. And he was right. They're not liberal democracies. The issue here is that the term democracy has been monopolized by assholes in Brussels who have ever narrowing definitions to the point where you can outright win majorities like Orban still have all the trappings of democracy, all the necessary conditions, open elections, media, courts, et cetera, blah, blah, blah, and still be deemed a non-Democrat. So that right now is the main battle in Europe. Yes, I understand. You mentioned your writing, and I understand you're putting together compilation of essays, old and new. Is this correct? Is a new book you're writing? This is correct.

taking inspiration from other hustlers and grifters and e-book merchants, and because of psychological pressure that I've put on myself, from swallowing and absorbing all this media because we're all online addicts, I need to somehow vomit all this out. And if I'm going to vomit all this out, I've got to make sure that it's a decent product. And the avenue that I've chosen is an e-book format whereby Niccolo Salo will be an e-book merchant. it's a compendium of essays tentatively titled Fisted by Foucault, which will be covering not just politics, but also culture and history. There's going to be a little bit of everything for everyone. So I think people are really going to find something that they'll like in at least

one or two of the proposed eight essays that I have in there. It won't be entirely European focused either. We're going to talk about California. We're going to talk about some of of the crazy shit that went down there in the 60s, in the 70s, in the 80s, bookmarked by the free speech movement at Berkeley, the hippies that hate Ashbury, all the way through all the random freeway killings of the 70s, Manson, that type of stuff. And of course, a subject that has gotten a lot of play on my side of the Internet, especially is the early days of HIV in San Francisco. Yes, very interesting subject, and I had a prelude before recording just about this matter. Let's get to that in a second. I very much look forward to your book, encourage you to put it out as soon as possible.

And we all look forward to reading a Nicola book. But I want to ask you some more about this European situation. So you are saying these countries, mainly Eastern Europe, they are called some of them Visegrad Group. I believe it's Poland, the former Czechoslovakia, and Hungary, which you are saying will draw Europe back to more a confederation and not so much a superstate. This is what you're saying. And second part of my question is what you have to say about the fact that it is these countries in particular, and you may add to it Croatia, Slovenia, Austria, these countries These are the ex-territory of the ex-Habsburg empire. And I had an episode about this two shows ago, I think. Do you have any comments on why it is precisely these countries that are moving Europe in

these other directions and the superstate Brussels one? There's a very good answer to that. There's been a slew of articles this past week in mainstream media, The Guardian being my favorite outlets to not only to reference and source, but to shit on about the 30th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. And there has been some soul searching from centrists, moderates, leftists, and they have finally realized that their interpretation of these events was wrong. Their interpretation of why 1989 happened was that people were yearning for individual freedoms that they did not have under the former Communist bloc, under the former Soviet Union as well. This was only part of the story. Coca-Cola, Levi's, the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Elvis, that was part of

the story and those are all important aspects of it. I like to always say that there was four cultural ICBMs that the West deployed against the former Eastern bloc and I mentioned a few of them. Coca-Cola, Levi's jeans, Elvis Presley, meaning all popular modern music, and of course Looney Tunes. People in the communist countries went crazy for this, but the individual freedoms were only part of it. What they left out was that these were national and nationalist reactions against foreign domination. So these countries became free somehow all of a sudden out of the blue and they had time to pursue their own past when it was interrupted due to World War II and due to Soviet occupation. Since then, the European scene has changed. There's a lot of things that

these countries looked at first jealously and then realized, you know what, we're not that crazy about this. Here's a perfect example. About a year ago, there's an article in the UK Daily Telegraph about Polish immigrants. Since the end of the Cold War, some two million, I think, close to, I don't know, I'm not sure the exact number, Poles emigrated to the UK to work jobs there. And the writer was stating how the intention, one of the reasons why they did this was as a bit of a cultural tactic, was so that these Poles would call home and say, you guys don't know how great this country is, how great this society is. We should be copying this back in Poland. But the writer said, you know what's happening? A lot of these polls are

going home and saying, my God, you don't want what they have. It's a fucking disaster out there. And I've seen evidence of this up on YouTube. You have these young Polish guys in various locales all around the UK. They will put up videos that they film on a Friday or Saturday night showing how bad the situation is in some of those cities, whether it be with domestic youth, whether it be with Western, with West Indies gangs, the Jamaicans and things like that, and how they act on a typical night out. And these YouTube channels are very popular in Poland. People who were supposed to fall in love with the West, with their concepts of individual freedom, with the free market and all that, and said, you know what, fuck that, you don't

want that, they go home on vacation, they visit their family, some have returned to to stay for permanently, and they tell everybody, uh-uh, let's not copy that. Yes, this is very interesting, because this phrase, illiberal democracy, I think you're right, is ridiculous. In other words, these countries, they guarantee property rights, they have free speech rights, they have all the traditional trappings of what used to be called liberal democracy, and I think Brussels and such simply calls them illiberal, because they want to reject precisely the elements you just named. They don't want Jamaican gangs running wild on their streets. They don't want their daughters and sons learning how to put a cucumber in their ass in school. And because they reject this, they're called illiberals.

If you do not want to put a cucumber in your ass in school, you're a Nazi. And Central Europe has said no. Central Europe has finally gotten its independence. They want to pursue their own national inspirations within the EU structure itself. They understand they cannot be completely sovereign, but at the same time, they're not gonna open their doors to five million people, IBOs or Yoruba or Pashtunis, so then they come in their country and completely destabilize something that they finally set in place for themselves. Yes, now, Nicolas, I remember you had very interesting discussion one time about the attempts to subvert these democracies, especially through Soros associations and this fraud-free civil society. And these countries, Hungary, Poland,

are said to stop civil society or to restrict it. And of course, what's meant by that is they don't want these fake NGOs funded by foreign sources, usually Soros, working with local media, usually to create trouble, to create so-called color revolutions. And you had a whole explanation once, I remember. I don't know if you remember this particular about the media cycle, the fake media cycle is created in these countries. I don't know if you want to comment on that. I will be happy to explain this because I have been tracking Soros for over 20 years now, since I was a very young guy. Why? Because his first two targets for regime change were Slovakia under Meciar, and of course, my own country, Croatia, under President Tujman. He developed this program, which is, it's brilliant,

whereby you use NGOs who partner up with the US State Department to influence media, to buy media, and to dominate media in these countries. Now, the way it works is like this. You set up all these so-called independent media centers in these countries. You find whatever journalists are affordable and they're all very affordable here in this part of the world because they don't get paid much. They're not getting paid much as that much in the USA as well now these days. But they're getting paid a pittance over here. And you find these kids coming out of university, some of them been brainwashed by whatever indoctrination that that that is the passing fad right now. But they would open up these independent media centers.

They would write the worst shit about these countries all based on freedom. this, blah, blah, blah, that, civil society and this. And what they would do, then, is they would always have these exact same journalists who have no standing or popularity in these countries being the most relied-upon resources in Western media, whether it be in Germany or whether it be in the U.K. or in Canada or in the USA. So you would create this closed loop whereby the people talking are the people who are criticizing. So you would get a distorted picture of this country. Now, what makes it even worse is when you have these arms of the U.S. government, let's say like Freedom House. You're aware of who Freedom House is. Freedom House issues a report card every year about how free—and I'm using parentheses

here, my fingers are in the air—how free each of these countries are. They rely on these same NGOs, these same bullshit independent media outlets, to be able to grade these countries and to pass these grades. And what do groups like Freedom House do? They're the ones that inform congressional committees in the United States, especially the Foreign Policy Committee, on how to pursue foreign policy. So it's an indefinite closed loop whereby Soros funds it, he populates it, he staffs it, and they're all on the same message. These people do not represent more than, let's say, 10, 15 percent—I'm being generous here—of what people are thinking in these countries. But the picture is so distorted that when you read about these countries in the West,

you think that these are the mainstream people, these are the top journalists, etc., etc., when they're not. They're the rejects. Yes, it's a very bad situation. And I'm afraid one of Trump failures has been to completely not correct this. Roger Stone was remarking a year or two ago how the embassies in Romania, Bucharest and Hungary, Budapest, are completely Soros-controlled. They are basically Soros franchises, these U.S. embassies. This is how the state works in these parts of the world. And I wanted to move from this to the question of Germany, because they call these countries unfree in East Europe. But in these countries you can pretty much say what you want on either side, and your life is not destroyed, whereas in Germany you can easily be raided by the police and

go to jail for thought crime, for speech crime. And I've heard a statistic that right now in Germany there are more political prisoners sent to jail than there were during communism in East Germany. I've heard this statistic, because you can get sent to jail for so-called Holocaust denial, but people misunderstand. Holocaust denial in Germany doesn't mean neo-Nazis saying, I believe it never happened and I think we should kill the Jews or something like this. It's just if you question one small part of it, or even if you don't show complete allegiance to the main narrative, you can go to jail. But that aside, would you care to comment—you mentioned Germany—would you care to comment on the recent elections there and the relationship of this European situation to electoral situation

in Germany. Germany is the most important country in Europe, and that's a truism that is actually true. And it is now in a very interesting position for the fact that in the former DDR, the former Eastern Germany, you have the collapse of the mainstream ruling parties. Last weekend in Thuringia, you had Merkel's CDU come in third place, Die Linke, the successor party to the former East German Communist Party, won the election, A.F.D., the German nationalists, or as the media would term it, the hard right, the far right, came in second. The majority of votes cast were cast for those first two parties for non-mainstream parties, non-elite parties. Meaning that these are parties of the far left and the far right. This is a

situation that many people would refer to as Weimar and ironically enough Weimar is located in Thuringia. The difference of course is that Germany during the great depression and prior to Hitler was a very sovereign country. Right now it's not necessarily a sovereign country. It's It's under the American umbrella or protection or however you want to phrase it. But the story here is that in the former eastern Germany, the mainstream is collapsing. The center is disappearing. And what this does is, even though a lot of these parties refuse to go into a coalition with the AFD off day, they are rendering these various governing units, polities, republics, etc., ungovernable, just like in Sweden, where the SDA is the second biggest party, and you

have to scramble to form coalitions to govern the country and avoid them. But these coalitions become so unstable because they're formed of such wide and divergent political groupings. So a trend in Europe now is that you are experiencing a crisis in governance for the simple fact that the populists, the hard right, have come back with a vengeance. And this is all due to two things. First, 2008, the economic crisis, but even more so than that, Merkel's massive fuckup of letting in over a million people into Germany. That is—and you have to admit it—a gift to the hard right in Europe, whereby, prior to that, the level of immigration, especially of non-Europeans, was, I'm not going to say tolerable. It was noticeable, but it was somewhat tolerable.

But when you had these one million-plus men march into Europe, being set up everywhere, dominating the Frankfurt train station—if you've ever been there, you'll see what I mean—people were upset. And this is not going away. The impression that many mainstreamers had and that they were themselves projecting was that these people will get used to it. People have not gotten used to it. Germany has also another situation and is not getting a lot of play in the press in the West simply because they've been clamping down on a lot of the news that involves migrant violence, and even more importantly than that, there are issues within German policing, German military and German intelligence, where you have people who are very sympathetic to the off day in positions

of power. The last head of German intel domestic was forced out of his position because he called bullshit when there was accusations that a group of Germans in the former Eastern Germany, in Chemnitz, chased down migrants, when that actually wasn't the case at all. But he was forced out of his position. So what that means is that the truth is getting distorted in favor of the narrative. And that creates an inherent contradiction in governance. Yes. This is a very interesting discussion. We must continue some more about Europe when we come back, or we must not take a sexpresso break. What do you say? We take sexpresso break. I love sexpresso. Yes. Okay. Very good. Caribbean reasons. We are back with Nicolas Salo.

Bap, my father has a theory on why English men are so prone to the English disease, that being gay. You know what his theory is? This theory is very simple. It's it's one line. It's have you ever seen their women? Yes. Yes. This problem is a problem with British women. And I encourage the listeners to look up a niche segment on this. He calls English women. He says they have faces of whores or something like that and that they cannot dance. They cannot talk. Something like this. The English British women have very bad reputation. But I wanted to actually ask you about the case of England, or more especially a case of France, and why France has been so resistant to a nationalist party that's successful,

that is, as successful as the ones in East Europe or Italy or even some parts of Scandinavia. Why is? And please don't say because of, you know, I mean, Americans think because French men are faggots and all of this. Completely not true. French men are very manly, and France, as they keep saying, they actually fought to maintain their empire, and to a large extent, they still do. So that cannot be the explanation. Why do you think France has been so resistant to electing nationalists? You're right, first of all, about the character of French men. They're not faggots. They're not cheese-eating surrender monkeys, as Jonah Goldberg, that slob famously describe them. Very brave, very heroic type. They got slaughtered in World War I, but so did the

Germans, and so did the British, and so did the Russians, and so did the Serbians, etc, etc, etc. They had the leading army in Europe for a very long period. It's just that, at the end, they lost. But they are not a pacifist nation. The French Foreign Legion, tough as guys around to this day. To answer your question in respect to why the hard right is having a difficult time in France, there's three reasons to that. The first reason is simply the laws of governance, the rules of governance in France. The system is designed to keep smaller parties away from power. So you have these institutional blocks that are present. Second reason is the legacy of World War II. French nationalism is, as mainstreamers would describe it, tainted by association with the

Vichy regime, the Vichy regime being the French part that decided to back the German occupation for the sake of waiting out the war and then seeing what they could do later to restore full French sovereignty. This compromised a lot of people in others' eyes. Marshal Pétain, the savior of Verdun in World War I, was actually sentenced to death by firing squad for his role in Vichy France. It was later commuted. So you had that taint. But the third one, and the one that people aren't really familiar with, is the elite institutional barriers. What I mean by elite institutional barriers is that France has an actual legitimate deep state. French have, and very opposite to Anglo-America, particularly the United States, a strong tradition of centralism and a strong tradition of big government.

And this is in one way represented by what's called the École national de ministración. I'm doing my French accent there. This was a school... Yes, it's horrible. Don't do it again. Again? Okay. École national de ministración. It's the... No, I do not do it again. Oh, do not do it again. OK, so it's the Grand École, the big school. And this is the school where the cream of the crop of the elite get lopped off even more, refined even more to the elite of the elite of the elite, trained to not only be the best diplomats for the country, but trained to run the bureaucracy. And since it's been set up in 1945, you already have a condition whereby you've created an elite class that is loyal to the

Republic as is. And what sets in there is a form of stasis. So they are very, very, very opposed to any change, anything substantial that changes the actual Republic. And they see people like the Le Pen family, like the Front Nationale, like the Communists, as a threat to the Republic itself. So, you have this funnel that takes people from a very young age, puts them through the machine, puts them in charge of the machine, where they block all of their entry to people who are actually looking to reform France for what they think is the better. Yes. Do you think there is any future to Gilets jaunes protests, to yellow vests? And why do you think Le Pen does not fully embrace them? Furthermore, do you think that if the Le Pen name disappears from the nationalist scene,

that nationalism may have a future? In other words, how much is nationalism in France tainted by just this Le Pen name and perhaps the stupidity of the Le Pen woman herself? People generally call the old man the stupid one because of his sometimes trolling, using World War II as a way to troll the mainstream there. But it's actually her that's the dumb one. She decided to take, as I mentioned earlier, an anti-EU approach that cost her votes. But also, she is, I would best describe her in the parlance of online shit talk, a boomer where she holds— Yes. Someone called her a washerwoman. Yes, a washerwoman. That's a washer woman. She has these values that are not legitimate, and they are legitimate, but they've passed her sell-by date. And that's why her niece is an actual opportunity.

She has distanced herself from the Le Pème brand. She has created, she's built bridges with politicians, not only in Europe, but with the USA as well. But she's savvy enough to know what works in other places doesn't necessarily work within France itself. Her aunt is of a generation that is loyal to the republic, even though the republic hates them. Loyal to the concepts of secularism, even though the secularists hate them. Her niece has reached out to disaffected groups that still have a strong political presence, even though it's less visible than overt, let's say monarchists, Catholics, etc. And these are people who are now rallying to her niece. this is the future of France. But let's not forget that France also has a very strong

leftist tradition as well. The leftists rallied around Mélanchon, the head of the communists there basically. And what I want to bring up here, and I touched upon it in the last segment, is the crisis of governance in Europe. And this also reflects Morat as well. So you have the liberal democrats who are the elites right now, who are in a shaky position much more than they were a few years ago, some existentially. And how have they reacted? They've doubled down in certain places on social policies, on immigration policies, but they've also used the tools at their disposal. One thing they've done that I like to speak a lot about and your friend Adrian Vermeule, who I like to speak speak with him a lot about, and he mentions the same thing, is the increasingly narrow

definition of what constitutes democracy. But that's only one tool. Another tool that is used is the courts. So even if these parties win power, they get beaten down by the courts in their own countries. That's why Poland and Hungary have sought to reform their own courts, retire all the old communist judges so that they can get on with reforming their countries. have set the EU, of course, because these older communist judges turned magically into liberal Democrats overnight in 1989 when the Berlin Wall fell. Why is this important to France? Because what we've seen in France is that any time the FN, now the RN, Raison L'homme, France, whatever it is, blah, blah, blah, Raison L'homme, sorry, my French is awful.

Any time that they've posed a threat, they've been taken to the courts, whether it be Le Penz, Sr., or whether it be his daughter. She was actually convicted for sharing photos of ISIS massacre in France, which is ridiculous. I thought you were going to say foreign photos, I thought. Yeah. She shared a photo. So she got convicted on that. But at the same time, you're seeing it on the left. Mélan Chon, the head of the communists, he barricaded himself in an office because he refused to be arrested because they were nitpicking everything he did and they found some sort of discrepancy in bookkeeping, and that was enough to charge him. So not only do they apply political pressure, not only do they apply media pressure, but they apply judicial pressure on non-mainstream

parties as well. This is the case in France. Unlike Italy, Hungary, and Poland, where there's a lot more room for maneuver with respect to which parties are going to get in, which parties are going to form the next government, etc. France has a very ossified structure. It has a very conservative structure, even if the politics are not necessarily conservative. I hear that, sorry to interrupt, but I hear that Marianne Le Pen, along with many other right-wing e-girls in our movement, has been sending you nudes of herself online. She's been sending you this. Is this correct? No comment. Yes. Well, Niko, we must talk a little bit about a grand view of world view. How do you see Europe in short term and in long term?

How do you see a future of Europe in, let's say, five year horizon and 20 or 25 year horizon? What what are your predictions? Predictions is when you always put yourself out there and you're going to get the shit kicked out of you online. But let's do it anyways because I'm indulging my friend BAP here. Five-year Europe, the concern right now is an economic downturn. Germany is slowing down. This negatively affects those countries most tied into Germany economically. Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, they've all benefited greatly from simple geographic proximity to Germany and its supply chains becoming integrated within those supply Now, if Germany takes a nosedive, that means, let's say Poland, for example, is going to

have a bit of a tougher time being able to finance and fund their very generous welfare programs. These welfare programs have won a lot of support for their national rightist Catholic party in Poland. Saying that, we also see the rise of the Greens all of a sudden across the continent. Greens are stripping votes away from the old social Democrats, who have become very much an elitist party, while the Greens are getting a lot of support from university kids, dummies that come out of those schools, who have no real life experience and think Greta Thunberg is a new Joan of Arc. Alongside that, we're going to see a lot of these populist parties hitting walls in the support that they can get. What that means, though, is that even if they do hit walls and they can't climb over that

barrier, just like the FN couldn't climb over the barrier in France in order to become part of the government, is it's going to render a lot of these countries unable to govern themselves. It's going to create conditions of a Belgium. In Belgium, they couldn't—after the last election, they couldn't form a government for over two years, something close to two years, which is ridiculous. So a lot of these countries are having issues of governance because they simply will not accept what a large segment of their own voting population wants to vote for or what it stands for. So what I'm seeing is, in the medium term in Europe, is economic instability, a little bit of a threat to the V4 in particular due to its reliance on German economics.

But they have offsets for that, and we can discuss that another time, is things that they've actually been working on and pursuing. The big threat, though, Bap, and I think this is what your guys are going to want to hear, is that the last migration wave of one million-plus guys into Germany is in a position to be dwarfed. Why? First of all, in Turkey, Erdogan, who has been negotiating hard with Putin, with Trump, been threatening to open the floodgates to three million Syrians and send them to Europe by way of Greece. They've been sitting in Turkey for years. Turks themselves are getting really annoyed with their presence. They're becoming more visible every day there and it's become a domestic issue that Erdogan

might want to internationalize. But not only that, the removal of Salvini from power, which was a known goal, has put a government in place in Italy where they are now opening up the doors again. So you have more people landing on boats on Lampedusa, getting ferried over to Sicily, onto the mainland, and making their way through there. At the same time, Europe cannot get its shit together on how it wants to either stop this or, like the people up in Brussels do, how to distributed as migrants. So it's creating a condition whereby migrants are getting stuck in Italy. Once again, no one's willing to accept them. And they're becoming very visible on the streets, in Rome, in Catania, up in Turin, in Milan. If you go to Milan, Bap, and you go to the

industrial parks that encircle the city, like I did, because I had to go to a meeting once about Yeah, sure. Yeah, me thinking. I know all about you go to industrial park at night with Vaseline, with chains. OK, go on. What you see is every 50 feet, you'll see a Nigerian prostitute with a campfire in front of her. And the first time I saw that, I'm like, what's going on here? But then you see them spaced out 50 feet, 50 feet. She's in a neon green miniskirt. She's got a little jacket on her and a campfire in front of her. And because Italians are the most my dick people in all of history, more than anybody from Africa, more than anybody from anywhere, they populate those places and they do a brisk business. But what I'm trying to say here that is there is a potential for what

is building right now on the edges of Europe, overwhelming what happened in 2015-2016. In Bosnia, just over the border here, they're already setting up conditions because there's a bottleneck on the border here, just north of me, and the government is trying to push them out into the border over here while NGOs, media, etc., are saying that Croatian police are beating the shit out of them whenever they try to cross the border. They are, but they're required by law to push them back into Bosnia. So a perfect storm is developing politically and media-wise to create another migrant crisis. If Erdoğan opens up those sluice gates and lets all three million in, then it's going to be a shitstorm. So in the medium term, those are the things you want to look for. Yes, I see.

I wanted to ask you, mention the Greens. Is there any chance of the new right co-opting some of the green platform and getting some of that green vote? There are already groups on the new right in Europe that have tried to co-opt this so far. It's just that it's really a branding issue. When you call yourself green, it creates a mental link right there. Even though a lot of these green parties are not necessarily green, it's not even a core part of their platform anymore. A lot of them are simply SJWs who dress themselves up as green. They have green as part of their platform, but it's not something that they are willing to risk themselves totally on. So there are efforts by hard-right parties. They realize that that is a game-winner, especially with the young people.

Young people here in Europe are very much in favor of green policies. It's almost universal. So that is something that's much easier said than done. Yes, I see. Well, what about a longer-term scenario for Europe? say, 20, 25 years, what are one or two scenarios you see playing out? What prediction? And don't worry about being wrong, because by then I will have been drawn by the next leftist, uh, caudillo of the United States. It all depends on the United States since they bring the, since you bring the USA up. Under Trump, we've seen a lot of media saying he's alienating Europe, he's destroying NATO, this, that. It's all bullshit because we heard the exact same thing under Dubya, even though it is in a slightly muted tone. But what happened when Obama came into power?

You had those German assholes salivating all over Obama like he was the second coming of Christ. European leaders, by and large, especially those of the larger powers, have such little backbone and they're so attached to Atlanticism that once Trump is out of the picture or even if Trump manages to stay in through through his second term, which I think he will. Four terms, four terms. Four terms, yes. By the fourth term, everything should be okay, it should be smoothed out. But what I was saying was that they are so slavishly devoted to Atlanticism that they do not want to rock the boat. And it's funny because you'll have Americans say, we are subsidizing EU security, European security. From whom? Why would Russia, they point to Russia,

Why would Russia roll its tanks into its largest market? Europe is its largest market. Why would it destroy their own largest market? That does not make any sense whatsoever. But these guys are spineless wimps in Europe. They have no vision other than standing under the American protective umbrella and trying to initiate all these bullshit policies that people really don't care about. And then they're left wondering why they're so unpopular. Hollande, the guy who preceded Macron in France, this guy was a guy who was doing all that and he couldn't break a 10% approval rating in France. So there's a gap between what the politicians want, the elites, and what the people want. So 25 years out from now in Europe, what you're going to see is you're going to see a mass

of Europeans who have managed to sneak in. Half of them are going to retain their old school ways simply due to segregated environments that they find in Europe. Half of them will become some sort of weird, wiggerized creatures that we don't know. Maybe Hakan is the only one that can see what they're actually going to look like 25 years from now. Yes, but this is very pessimistic, your painting. You're saying nothing will change at all in 25 years? I don't think it's pessimistic at all. I think it's very optimistic. It's very optimistic, because we can see—I apologize for interrupting there. I don't think it's pessimistic at all. What I'm drawing there, I think, are extrapolations from where it is now.

I am optimistic about Europe, though, because ten years ago you had an EU, which had the U.K., and Brexit's about to happen. I'm actually positive that it's going to happen. But you had as well the threat of a Turkish entry. Now, 25 years from now, an EU minus Britain, which is an American Trojan horse, and a Turkey which is never going to get into the EU because of Erdogan and his quasi neo-Ottomanist policies, it has a chance to clean up its own operation, to look in-house. And because it has no real natural military predators or competitors on its border, it's setting the scene for an actual pretty good period, especially because the USA is pivoting from the Middle East towards East Asia as it seeks to contain China.

Yes, but what is your best case scenario for Europe 25 years, let's say, from now? What's your ideal scenario for Europe? Best case scenario, okay, ideal scenario for Europe is what Orban and Salvini have called for, a community of sovereign nations, whereby natalism is a program and a policy that's seen positive effect. We're breaking out two kids per person, per family over there. So population is stabilizing, is growing. What we're seeing is a EU army that is not an interventionist force, but rather a defensive force. And what we're seeing as well is a growth of industry in the ex-communist countries and a business, which means that locals are not going to move continuously out westwards,

but are going to have their own domestic companies to stay and work for, because the living standard has almost caught up to the West or has caught up to the West. That would be the ideal situation, in my opinion, and, of course, no open borders, which we should go without saying. Yes. Well, on that note, some misunderstandings that American liberals have and distortion pushed by the U.N. that nationalist parties are eliminationists or want to genocide the migrants or the foreign communities in Europe. I think it's not true. All the European nationalists that I've spoken to have told me a plan pretty much like what you just said. They want conditions to improve in the third world and in the Middle East to such an extent

that these populations in Europe, the Turks, the Arabs, the Moroccans, many others, will willingly want to spend more and more of their year in their home countries where they have relatives and so forth, and that it would be a sort of peaceful, gradual back migration. And it doesn't need to involve any of these nightmare scenarios that so-called liberals or Brussels people want to impose. Yes. If you have Polish people returning to Poland from the UK, there is not that much of a reason for Moroccans not to return to Morocco. Laws against the abaya, the hijab, etc., in Europe are a way to kind of facilitate this, because if you make these people uncomfortable in those places, and if they're adamant about retaining those old cultural attachments, then that gives them all the more incentive

to return home. But the big difference here, and this is for your American listeners, Bap, is for them to understand that the position of the migrants on the continent in Europe is very different from those that show up in North America. For example, Turks are now entering their fourth generation in Germany. You will not hear German people refer to the Turks in Germany as Germans, ever. And that's just not people on the right. That's just not people in the center and the right. That's people on the left, even the Greens. They'll all call them Gastebeiter or Auslander, foreigners, guest workers. And so there's a mentality there which is not assimilationist. And these various migrant groups, they self-segregate to such a degree that they have their own

functioning communities in these countries, in these cities. There's also negative aspects to that, because you have criminality in those places. We have terror cells like in Molenbeek in Belgium, comprised of Moroccans and people from the Maghreb. But at the same time, those are very big barriers to integration. And what that does is also mean that it's much easier for them to pick up and return home. Turks in Germany are much more interested in politics in Turkey than they are in Germany. That's why Erdogan sends his own party officials out to Germany, and they campaign there during Turkish elections. Imagine people doing that, let's say China, well, China can't, but let's say India. They send their politicians over to the United States so they can campaign in elections.

That's not going to happen. Yes. Well, very good. And on that note, I think we should go again to break and wait for the final segment. But I think it's a hopeful note that these migrants are self-segregated and as hopefully conditions improve in third world, they can return peacefully. So there is a peaceful way to remove kebab. Kebab self removal, peaceful. I, in the meantime, am waiting for the next selection of music you're gonna play. So you can dance in my ears. Very good, Hal Puthler, yeah. Yes, welcome back to our show, Caribbean Risen with Nicolas Saldo. It is said, Nicolas, that you are a fed. And I believe the rumors, the way this started, is that you were smuggling cigarettes As many of your countrymen want to do, you are smuggling cigarettes from Chicago to Toronto.

And I hear this is why you are banned from the United States and that you were caught, in fact, by Canadian authorities. And your whole forum and persona and everything is a trap laid out by the Canadian human rights community. How do you answer these charges? Answer now. First of all, I'll say, Je viente matter. And second of all, what I will say is that I've retained the services of a certain bureaucrat from Chicago who has taken down a fucking vicious gypsy smuggler. Now, my lawyer who's sitting right next to me here says that I can't say more than that. So you're gonna have to be content with that answer. Yes, yes, the Eli, the famous George Eli, every gypsy in America named Eli. I'm going to get it, yes.

Yes, now we mentioned your forum, Celle Forum, has incredible content, incredible threads, information people cannot find anywhere else. And one thread of particular interest to many outside the forum, I've seen mainstream journalists reference this thread. Because you've compiled there the history behind the inception of the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco, and in particular this patient zero, Gaitan Dugas, I believe his name is, the first AIDS patient, and his role in spreading this disease. And I thought maybe you wanted to have five minutes or something to explain to the general audience who might not know the strange background of this AIDS epidemic. than happy to do so. I'm going to try to keep this brief because I can talk about

this for 10 podcasts. And one of the things that you find is that there are gays who went through this, gay men that are very open about what happened because they feel that gay sex is just as valid as heterosexual sex and they feel a historical obligation to explain what happened at the time regardless of how it looks to others and regardless of their sensibilities even though most gays do not want us to understand what they were doing in those crazy days especially in the 1970s. So what you had in 1970s USA is you had three centers of gay activity New York, LA and San Francisco. San Francisco is a special case because you had roughly 20 to 30 percent of the male population being gay men. It worked as a mecca for gays, especially the Castro district. When you put that many men in

a location, when they're homosexual, meaning that there is no real barrier to sex because there's no woman to say no, men being men, men being incredibly hormonal, you're going to have a lot of sex and when you have a lot of sex and when it's unprotected you're going to get all sorts of diseases. By 1977 a common topic of conversation among these guys was the various weird parasitical parasites in their stomachs that they were getting from sex. This is stuff that no one never knew about. Some guys were getting parasites that were only found in sheep or lamb prior to that. So a lot of people think that AIDS, HIV came out of the blue when that wasn't the case. What was happening was that these guys were engaging in so much unprotected anal sex with each other, spreading

it amongst themselves, that they were exposing themselves to all sorts of things. Herpes, viruses, hepatitis, all these things. And they were compounding while they were doing this. And they still kept going at it because at the time the philosophy was freedom. It was about being as gay as possible. I have actual quotes from gay activists at the time who will say things like, every STD we had was just another medal from the war for gay liberation. The famous joke at the time was, why do you go to the STD clinic? To get a shot and your next date. So these guys were stressing their systems, their immune systems so much. But at the time, everything that they had was easily tradable, usually by things like penicillin, until HIV came along. And that blew

them right the fuck out of the water. You mentioned Gaetan Dugas. Gaetan Dugas was a guy from Quebec. He was a flight attendant. He was the one that was called Patient Zero, even though that was a misunderstanding, it was a misnomer. He was accorded that because the CDC did a cluster study and he was really actually really helpful in this initial study which I think occurred circa 1982, 1983 because he kept a huge fat black book, an address book, of all the guys he was dating with their names and some of their characteristics as well if he couldn't remember their names. Gay Tom was very open to questioning and he was very open to talking about his adventures blah blah blah his philosophy was that he wanted to fuck a new guy

every single day and the fact that he was a flight attendant meant that he was bouncing between places like New York LA and San Francisco so he was the guy that was appearing in these various clusters simultaneously so the fact that he was so open and direct about what he was doing ended up giving him a bad reputation thanks to a book called and the band played on by a writer who was who was gay who also died of AIDS later on who decided to sex up his book due to editorial pressure by making Gaetan Dugas somewhat of a villain now this doesn't exculpate Gaetan Dugas because this guy was going around everywhere doing as much as he could having as much sex as possible and even when these conditions were hitting him he simply stated and you have this

written down by the witnesses at the time it's all on record saying hey if they got it it's not my fault they should be careful if i'm going to die they're going to die too so what along those lines uh an important person in this is Salma Dritz who was one of the heads of public health in San Francisco at the time she's a tiny little Jewish lady uh and she is an incredible source on this she died a while ago but one of the main primary sources I have for these early days is an oral history that the Stanford University put together, their library. It's called the oral history of HIV, I think it is. But a lot of the material that I've called has come from that. Some, Adrits, and others, such as Curran from the CDC or Dr.

Ford Belding from the San Francisco Clinic, I think, they speak openly about this. So this isn't stuff that people who can be accused of homophobia are saying. these are people on the ground who were very empathetic to these people and a lot of them themselves were gay men so when you read through this material you read and you learn a lot about the shit that they were doing to each other classic example when they start a formula of uh formulating questionnaires to figure out what kind of behaviors these guys are into they their first formula they put out is do you consider yourself as someone who's promiscuous someone who has a middle amount of sex or someone who's not promiscuous at all. So, in the first formulary, it was roughly something like this.

Zero to five partners was, sorry, three to five partners was median, five and above to like 15 was promiscuous, and zero to three was not really promiscuous. And then they started getting answers and a lot of these gay guys were very open about themselves. And they would say, what are you talking about. We have 200, 250, 300 guys a year. So this culture, even though it was going on, a lot of people simply did not realize what they were actually doing to each other. And these diseases were compounding within their system and added to the long gestation period up to 10 years. A lot of these guys were hammering away while they were exposed to the virus while they were carrying the virus. Yes, very disturbing. And how does it relate to the name you're using now on Twitter

by Fisted, Fisted by Foucault? Well, okay, here's why. Michel Foucault, now officially the world's most, the person with the most citations in academic journals in history. Let's rephrase that. He was very much into this culture, very much into San Francisco, and he was very much into the S&M crowd, the sadomasochistic crowd. And one of the innovations, I think that's a fair word to use, of that crowd was a new form of sex. And I don't know if you can call it sex, but it is a form of sex because it's penetrative. And the way it would work was that a man would expose his ass. No, no, please. People know what it is. No, no, no, please. Okay, all right. I don't know how to get technical. But here's a quote.

It's a family show, yes. But here's a direct quote that'll tie into this from Sam Madritz from the San Francisco Public Health Board. Quote, now there were gay men who were aggressively out, the S&M, sadomasochistic men, the leather boys we call them, who walked up and down Market Street dressed in leathers with leather caps like the old Nazi men and chains and leather boots. But but they were the ones that died the fastest because generally speaking, they were the most traumatic anal rectal techniques and got infected. They had been infected with many other sexually transmitted diseases before them. So they were in no shape even to postpone the activation of the AIDS virus after it hit them. So these guys were the most highly sexualized and the most sexually violent

people around in that entire scene. They would even put off other gays. Michelle Foucault was a legend in this. So, when you read about Michel Foucault and his theories of imprisonment, his theories of violence, his concepts of violence, and the fact that he was a sexual sadist, it kind of makes sense. And when you realize that he himself was a sexual sadist who was actually involved in this and was an innovator in this, then you think to yourself, why is a sexual sadist, Why does he have such outsized influence on our political discourse to this day, to the point where it actually informs legislation? So why do I call us so fisted by Foucault? Because we are literally being fisted by Foucault. Yes, I think so. Mr. C.I.A.

Foucault is such enormous influence in the fraudulent classics profession that you see extremely staid, boring, middle-class classics professors have completely assimilated all his opinions about ancient Greece, of which he was largely ignorant. He did not know Greek. He left France to study ancient Greece in California. It's absurd. And his vision of ancient Greek sexuality is so distorted and warped by his bizarre practices, but yet he has this enormous influence. And yes, I think you're very right. Someone rightly said that your name is a form of psychological warfare against the American crap, so-called crap elite, the ruling academic class. I think it's a very good name. Thank you very much. I took inspiration for that name from Dominated by Doug, which is also an important text in

Western literature. But at the same time, the woman who took your virginity, Camille Paglia, she considers Foucault a fraud. Yes, Camille Paglia completely, she tried to beg me, but we cannot talk of this now. But yes, well, very good. I think on this note, we should perhaps just for the sake of superstition and not leave on such an ugly subject as our last interview matter, perhaps we talk about a place in the world where you find most beautiful women. What do you have to say about Goga and the idea that women in Tahiti, Persia and Sweden are the most beautiful in the world? I have seen many Nordic beauties in my time in Europe. The amazing thing with Nordic beauties is that they can tan. Unlike Scottish or English women who burn upon impact,

they end up having this amazing glow to their faces. And because they have such strong faces offset by very light hair, they are stunningly beautiful. So you cannot deny the beauty of the Nord, even though you can be realistic about the, let's be diplomatic and say, not beauty of those from the British Isles. Of those from Polynesia, there is a femininity there, which I think the attraction in the 19th century is reflected in the online culture of the weeaboo and the glorification of the East Asian, particularly the Japanese girl, especially costumed and dressed up. I think that's I think that's a fair mirror. Now, the Persian, the Persian beauty I rate at the top at the at the very top. For me, the most beautiful woman I will list. And of course, we

have our own prejudices and tastes. And we often tend to prefer those that most look like us. But when it comes to the most beautiful women, I found the Persians, especially in the western areas and the northern areas. Romanians in Europe have stunningly beautiful women and also Argentina and Santa Cruz, Bolivia, the southern part. In the north, you have the Inrio, the Inca types. But in Santa Cruz, you have the Mediterranean immigrants and you have some of the Slavs as well. And they've mixed together and they've done a wonderful job mixing together. Yes, and within this mixture, we are going to found certain academies hidden away in tropics, but this subject perhaps for next time. And I wanted to thank you very much for joining on Caribbean reasons today. A wonderful time I had.

I hope you enjoyed and I hope audience liked. I enjoyed myself immensely. And I wanted to remind everybody to check out theforumsalo-forum.com. you might wanna join us, great contents up there and a great group of guys as well there. And please, I am going to be releasing an e-book, becoming an e-book merchant. So we will be touching upon topics in the book that we touched upon today, and I'm gonna be doing some promotion on that when the time comes. Pappy's gonna give it a seal of approval, I'm sure. Yes, yes, and yes, Salu Forum, yes, most elite forum on the internet. But very good, I say to you, Heil Püttler, I do not want to be targeted by Deep State, Heil Bibi.