Welcome to the very special show, it's called Russia Invasion, Russia Special Collusion Edition. And here I have with me two old Russia friends, is Pigdog, who is original Frog Twitter member. Frog Twitter was original group from 2015, before Trump we were shitposting group. We have a tremendous popular cultural influence. Our memes have infected all popular culture by now, this very well known. And I also have a friend Kirill, and I've known him more recently, but he is an insane mystical monk, and his takes have absolutely flabbergasted all our friends on Twitter. And so, I welcome now from Russia Empire, my friends Pigdog and Kirill, Vsemyam Bratyam Salaam. Welcome, friends. Namaste, Bab. Thank you for inviting us on the most powerful show on the Internet. Yes. Yes, Bab.

Thank you very much for having us. Yes. Welcome, friends. So, let's see now very big events in the world. Were you expecting this kind of result in United States? And I think everyone very curious of what opinion, what mood in Russia on this, because, you know, we do not get news from rest of world. It's like during communist time you had to go to foreign media to understand events in your own countries, in Eastern Bloc. And now it's similar situation in United States, and there's complete blackout on what foreigners think what is moved in foreign countries. And I think given everything that happened over the last few years with Russia hysteria, people very curious. Can you tell us something about mood in Russia, what go on, reaction to election? Yeah. U.S. elections were wild.

I mean, it still is, because it keeps going, you know, all about it. So there is no much reason to repeat all the troubles and tribulations with regard to the battle of two ancient gerontocrats, Biden and Trump. Seriously, though, I hope Trump wins again. But let's discuss Russian reaction to it. Normal Russian people just laughed when they heard about the elections. They were like, so Americans were lecturing us all this time, us and the whole world on how to do elections properly. And then American State Department was educating other countries how to conduct fair elections. They always insisted on how to, like, count the votes, you know. They always insisted that results are always fabricated in Russia, Belarus, wherever.

And people even believed them, because no one really believes in elections anywhere. But then, after this giant transparent fraud during 2020 elections in the USA, this democratic faith that all these peoples, like Russians and so on, had for American democracy evaporated. So it's not really the first time in American history that it happened either. But the sheer cover-up and the media total silence, it made it look ridiculous. Yes. know about previous elections that were set up, that were rigged, arranged. For example, people know JFK versus Nixon. But that was in one state, and it was done by, again, a local political machine mob. In this case it's done in multiple states simultaneously. The steal is so obvious.

But you're telling me abroad in Russia people understand this as a complete steal, yes? Here's the catch though, I'll let Kirill hop on, but I talked about regular normal people, like normal everyday Russians, but of course journalists are a separate race altogether, and Russian journalists are no different than American liberal journalists in general, of Of course. So the interesting part about Russian reaction to elections is that Russian journalists actually to this day are spouting nonsense that it was fair and balanced and open and stuff like that. It was fair. And they refuse to, you know, look at the evidence and so on. I get it why American establishment journalists are doing that, because their lives and their, like, wages are at stake, you know.

They understand why they propagate this lie. But Russian journalists don't have anything for it. They just repeat what their, you know, elders say. So I prepared some interesting quotes from a couple liberal Russian journalists about the elections. All right. Let me see. All right. Maxim Katz, great surname, by the way. That's all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a Russian deputy in Moscow, I think. It's funny because Maxim Katz has a background as a poker scam artist, actually. Yeah. Well, to be fair, a lot of people his age were into poker scams in the early zeros. But anyway, Maxim Katz wrote, quote, In Russia, elections are always rigged. In America, they are fair. It's really that simple. Even if it was rigged, American court will surely prove that fraud took place, and then

maybe I, Maxim Katz, that is, will believe that. Maybe this won't happen because American elections are always fair. It's the direct quote of not, you know, some crazy person. No, he's well-established and well-liked in the Moscow liberal scene, and it's huge. So there is another one, Ilya Barabanov, big journal from Moscow, who works at BBC now, you know, Russian edition BBC, he wrote, it's funny and sad at the same time that even smart people here are so brainwashed by Putin that they believe that Russian teacher, Serafina Prokofievna, is falsifying ballots for Biden right now. So yeah, he literally cannot believe that anyone But a poor Russian woman could falsify the elections, like Russians are inherently evil in this way. Yeah.

The faith in American democratic system is dwindling and shaking, but it's just for normal people, you know, like establishment liberal journalists and people who are opinion leaders and talking heads in Moscow at large, they are parroting the same line that MSNBC and CNN are repeating. So there is that. Yes. I think people don't understand this, that, well, we will talk later on show, but the media in Russia is same as in West, is not government controlled by Putin. In fact, it's quite like you just, the quote you just read is against him, is against nationalism and promotes the same global homo lines, right? Yeah, it's probably worse than in America in some ways. And I will continue on that later because, you know, in America there is some vague patriotism that is still allowed.

in Fox News support the truth, stuff like that. And in Russia it's not genuine. If you hear some patriotic stuff you know that this journalist or whatever is getting paid to say this and in private he doesn't actually believe in it. This scene I think is more Russophobic than Then Western journalists are—Western journalists don't hate their audience as much as Russian journalists do. Yes, of course, and people, maybe they should register as foreign agents. But you guys are saying, among the people, the people you meet every day, and social media perhaps, the mood is uniformly what? What would you say the reaction is? I think you have to understand that Russians in general have a very cynical view of elections and democracy, no matter where it happens.

It's taken for granted that an election is just a huge scam, and wherever it happens, which is basically true unless you're in some Swiss, some small village assembly in Switzerland where there can be perhaps true elections. But in every large country, elections are fortified to a greater or smaller degree. And I think most people in Russia just take this for granted. It's not some exceptional fact, and it doesn't, like, shatter your worldview when you hear that some election has been falsified. It's just a thing that happens. But there is a rather large subset of Russians, like liberal journalists and terror audiences, the metropolitan urbanite class in Moscow and St. Petersburg. These are just people who have been spiritual Americans since 1991, basically.

They used to be, it's actually quite interesting, Russian liberals who are extremely pro-American, They used to be mostly pro what our sphere calls red empire, so Pentagon, neocons, etc. And I remember back when there were elections between Obama and Romney, there were so many articles in Russian media about how Romney is the greatest person ever. And I don't remember liberals or masses supporting Obama. But this was kind of flipped since Trump. So now Russian journalists just throw the same CNN, MSNBC, New York Times line, just like American journalists. So they are still absolutely spiritual Americans. They are colonized in their brains. They are American patriots, but now they are DNC American patriots. So... I have no doubt. Sorry to interrupt. I just... it's come to mind.

You guys, of course, know Mark Ames, who wrote Exiled, and this. He lived in Moscow during 1990s, during when your country was being pillaged by not just Soros but entire American financial establishment. And I remember he wrote this. I think it was him. It was Mark Ames. He wrote an article that if Russians saw a billionaire go on the subway to show that he's part of the people, they would have thought he's an idiot and would have rolled their eyes, whereas in the United States there is this attitude that somebody like Buffett can go to McDonald's or drive an Old Plymouth or something like this, and people just take it. They take this kind of hokey, fake populism from a billionaire. And it's part of a general cultural revulsion, I think, that normal people, perhaps from

all over the world, but I know from Russia and Eastern Bloc towards this fake, completely astroturf chumminess, where you go, for example, to a restaurant in California and the waiter pats your back and pretends to be your friend. And I know that Russians find this incredibly offensive and it's just fake friendliness a lie, again, the fake friendliness of a billionaire pretending he's one of the people. And so I was wondering what Russian people, again, not the media, but the Russian people in general you see on everyday life or social media, how they feel about Trump himself, because he is, I think, one of the I want to say one of the few, but actually the only politician, the only guy in the last few decades in America who hasn't put up this fake decorum

that is so this lying chumminess, do they like Trump? Do they think he's more genuine than this American political scene that's based on this false façade of popular friendliness and so forth? Well, first of all, if I saw a billionaire on the subway, I would watch out for my wallet before it disappears. And secondly, I think Trump, he has some kind of romantic popularity, because Trump is just what a regular Russian person who has never met an American imagines an American to be. It's just a complete fulfillment of all clichés that Russians have of brush Yankees. He's loud, he's opulent, he spends money, he eats at McDonald's, he drinks Coke, And he doesn't pretend to be some sophisticated European, he just embraces everything that it means to be an American.

And this is kind of sympathetic, because I think most Russians still have, even after decades of hostility, have some romantic image of America, made from movies and TV shows and whatever. And Trump, he's just the quintessential American. You can't, if you imagine a rich American in your mind, you imagine Trump. And I think this is why people like him more than people like, I don't know, Obama or Biden. Biden is just a, we, our country has been governed by people like that, like 90-year-old apparatchiks who don't understand where they are half of the time. Yes, Andropov, right? Yeah, Brezhnev, Andropov. We had this in our country, we know this type. And Obama is just weird because the Russians are, well, it's just weird. It's just strange.

Like, I don't know, some kind of weird animal, you're at the zoo, or it's just... It's not this whole office manner that you and Pigdog, I hear just now, criticize among your own journalists because they're spiritually mind-fought by the West, and they follow the office culture of this globohomo manners, whereas Trump is the old genuine American people like. I guess it's what I'm asking if most Russians are pro-Trump for that spiritual or cultural reason, not just for political orientation, and if that's partial to him because of that. Yeah, but I don't think that Russians like Europeans or Canadians do, they don't perceive American presidents to be relevant to their actual lives. So you don't get these Biden supporters from, you know, Chelyabinsk or Trump supporters

from Magnitogorsk, stuff like that. We are not at that level of Americanization, luckily, so we don't have to be pro-Trump or against Trump. We just think he's funny, you know? He's nostalgic, like Kirill said. Russians don't think too much about American politics, but they love American movies from the 90s and the 80s. You know, there is a site called Kinopoisk, which is like Russian IMEDB. And every movie title from the 80s, 90s and 0s has a better rating on Kinopoisk, much better rating. Every mediocre movie you could think of has a gigantic rating and even amount of words is like two, three, four times higher. You know, you get any random movie from the 90s and Russians, I don't know, it's a life-changing movie for them. It was in the 90s because they were

like drowning person grasping for air, basically, and air was America, you know. So they have a lot of feelings about American art, if you can call it that, from the 80s and 90s and zeros, but they don't talk too much about politics. Yeah, they like Trump, but they don't dwell on these things too much. And there is a running joke about, you know, this American politicization aimed at people who talk too much about American politics. It goes like this. So one Russian guy at the office or whatever on social media gets into great detail about Trump administration and so on. And the other guy makes a typically sardonic smile and says something like, oh, so it was Obama who Obama was the guy who shit all over your staircase and stuff like that. It's a running joke with any president.

So basically replace Obama to Biden, Trump, whatever. So it's actually not a good joke. And I don't believe that it's fair to say that. I think in many ways this Russian continuing isolation from the fact that American government is too powerful to be ignored, but in any case it is the way it is. I think it's also important that Russians don't really see a difference between different types of American administrations, I guess. I think in international relations here you call this the black box model. It's like it doesn't matter what the internal politics are. It matters only what the country does to you. And from a Russian perspective it's irrelevant if it's Clinton, if it's Bush or whatever who makes hostile or hostile...

Well, yes, it's this that I want to ask both of you about, because I personally think that if Clinton had won 2016, that the United States would be at some kind of war with Russia, maybe not direct hot war, but some kind of proxy war. Certainly in Syria, maybe even in Ukraine, they're stupid enough to do that. Remember, McCain wanted to go to war over Georgia, and I think these people are so dumb that they really think they could win that. They would go to war, I believe, over such things. So I guess I want to ask you, in case Biden should come through, I personally hope, you know, Trump wins, and I think he still has good chance. I don't know what your opinion is about that. But let's say no jinx. But let's say if Biden comes through, is there apprehension in Russia or among the two of

view that there will be, again, rising tensions with Russia, war, maybe even war, something like more sanctions. Will it get much worse? Are people apprehensive about that? In my personal opinion, the huge tragedy of the Trump presidency in terms of American-Russian relations is that Trump was basically forced to apply a hostile posture towards Russia to prove he isn't some kind of Russian spy. Of course, it's probably not as bad as it would have been under Clinton, by far. The problem is that these people, the Democrat establishment, the CIA people who support them they're insane, and it's difficult to proper international relations with insane people. You can't know what they're going to do. With Trump, you have a person who has an ego.

As far as I can tell, Trump's policies are mostly aimed at things that he personally believes are important, or people who have slighted him in some way, or ways to make him appear statesman-like, like treaties with North Korea or whatever. And with Clinton, Biden, whatever administration, these people are insane. You have no idea what they're going to do. Maybe you can buy them off, like Biden and his Ukraine story, maybe. But maybe they're going to drop atomic bombs on Moscow for gay rats. You can't tell. And this is why I guess I would personally prefer Trump presidency, because he's more predictable yes yeah and also i read that i don't know how is it true or not but that biden team on foreign policy will be will consist of neo cons under from bush era and so on so

Basically, Biden is very much, you know, a hawk president. Yeah, I believe that under Biden things will escalate somewhat. But as Kirill pointed out earlier, it doesn't really make much difference because basically every American presidential administration was hostile to Russia in the last, I don't know, century, maybe, so it doesn't make any difference to normal Russians. They think it's all the same, basically. Yes, I understand. Well, look, we are coming up on hard commercial break. I have Biden here. He is in a leather suit. Again, he is going to put some music songs for us. While we take a break, we will be right back. Let's have some coffee, cigarette, maybe we'll be We'll be right back. Sound good? Yeah, perfect. Yes. Yes, very good. Hal Puthler, we'll be right back.

Welcome back, Caribbean Rhythms, Russian Collusion Edition. We are here with old friends Big Dog and Kirill, and I just want to tell all of you they have new, very powerful show coming up on news from Russia, Russian perspective, and their own take on the world, on literature, on many things. It's called the Russians with Attitude podcast, and you can find it on Twitter at rwapodcast, in other words, rwapodcast. And I will... So tell me what this new show, tell me, what is it? I think people are very curious to hear from Russia. Yeah, I think there is a huge problem, because most English language content from Russia created by shitlips. It's people who are spiritual Americans anyway. So Americans can't get any new perspective or information from it. It's just the people

who make English podcasts or news sites or whatever who live in Russia and are Russians, they are liberals and Americans know what liberals are like. They know what they talk about. It's just people whining about how transgender teens are being bullied in Russia, and how putler is putting gays into concentration camps and whatever. That's nothing new. You can get the same from CNN. And what we want to do is basically Russian for Americans made by Russians who are not spiritual Americans. And there is nothing like this right now. Yes, by the way, Kirill's microphone will be better, so Don't worry about that. All I can say is we are going to make a sweet collusion to your mind. It's an adventure into the unknown territory and it's going to be beautiful.

Yes. So subscribe to our podcast on Twitter. I want to give some suggestions for topics you could cover and maybe you would like to even touch on now, because I just got a message from Hakan. You all know Hakan. I think you met him even. And Hakan asked me, he wants you to comment, for example, you all know Anatoly Karlin, he's a Russian internet personality, political commentator on UNSCI, and he wants to know racial composition. What is racial composition of Anatoly Karlin? There are many kinds of questions around people's minds, you know. I think Anatoly actually posted his 23andMe results on his own blog. So it's easy to look up, actually. He's Italian. Italian. I don't know how it's pronounced, but yeah. He's mostly Italian or Ladogan. Yeah, Italian.

I mean, one important question is about the chimp-out potential of the different ethnic groups in Russia. I mean, people know about the Chechens in the West, but there are so many others. Did the Chukchi very dangerously put a knife in your back? I don't know. There are a lot of dangerous groups here. Yes, and the Chukchi is actually quite interesting. We could talk about it on the podcast because the Chukchi, the Russian empire had been at war for 200 years with them. They were very difficult to subjugate, kind of like, I don't know, Navajo or Cherokee. They held out really, really long. And it took 200 years of continuous warfare. And then we just gave them alcohol, and they all became alcoholic, so just like American Indians.

And nowadays there are, like, people who you make jokes about, like when you make jokes about stupid people, the protagonist in your joke will be a chupcha. And it's probably the only way Russians could cope with the 200 years' horror of fighting Chukchi militias. Yes, just so people know, the Chukchi are basically Eskimos of Arctic Circle. But yeah, this question, you know, nobody would touch this, the different chimp-out potential of ethnic groups in Russia, many of whom are so obscure and so interesting, but we don't hear about them here, the Avars and so forth, very strange. Yeah, we are going to make an episode to each of these ethnic groups and their dangerous level and stuff like that.

Their fighting ability. We are going to make it like an RPG, but with races of Russian Caucasus and stuff like that, Central Asia. One thing about Chukchas is that, dear listeners, there's your free handle on Twitter, UnkaktChukcha. You should get it right now. Or BaseChukotka. BaseChukotka, yes, this is very good. So look, let's go back to now a situation, political situation in Russia that we left off talking last segment. There is a rumor that people don't know what to make of. Some are demoralized by it, some see opportunity, some for Russia, even for the future. But I hear Putin is supposed to retire next year because of Parkinson's or whatever. Can any of you comment on this? What is this rumor that Putin will retire? Yes. Yes. OK. There is a political scientist pundit in Russia.

His name is Valery Tsawaveh. He is actually quite popular on the Internet and stuff. He used to be around the nationalist movements like eight years back. And basically his point is that he pretends to have inside information from the Kremlin, but he doesn't actually. He makes predictions, like, I don't know, every week or so, and not a single one of his predictions ever came true. He had predictions about how Russia is going to launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, of Georgia back in the day, about political transformations in Russia, how Medvedev is going to make himself military dictator and whatever. And it's basically a meme that no prediction of Tsawaveh has ever come true. And this rumor about Putin retiring next year, it's from a blog post by Valery Tsawaveh.

And he is the only source for this. And he even, after being called out, he made the joke on Twitter about how it's just free publicity for him. And he teaches people how to do this stuff, how to, as a political consultant, how to make yourself popular, how to make people know your name by making these grand predictions. And it doesn't matter if they come true. So it's really just a joke, more or less. It's not a true, some kind of information source. I got to argue with you Kirill, because actually, Salavi is right, Putin is going to retire next year, but Putin won't. So yeah, but actually this guy, this Ukrainian clown was, of course, he is tied up with some London, he studied there, some London circle, he is in there.

So it's basically a pipeline from Ukrainian hype-beasts in Russia to shitty British tabloids that post everything. And shitty British tabloids actually for some reason still have some credibility and they're spreading all this bullshit like wildfire through Western media. Yes. No. Well, I... Yeah. So it sounds... is a bad rumor, and more of either, you can say, demoralization, propaganda, or what you started to describe on a last segment, where you have Russian journalists, but they are really not speaking for political situation in Russia or for the Russian people. They are just the same as Western journalists. And it's this closed media cycle where Western media presents supposedly news from Russia,

But it's actually news from London or New York, and it's just their guy in Russia spreading it. I think our audience would be very interested if you would like to comment on general political situation in Russia right now and what Russia's actually like. Very few people know. Yeah. Let's start with two popular views of Russia in the West. So there is an old neocon view of Russia as a third-world country, basically. Sadly, it's very prevalent to this day. Russia experts, especially from the former pale of settlement, you know, giant Vobla peddlers from Odessa and so on, still exaggerate Russia's past weaknesses. They love to do it. insist that Russia is in incredibly bad shape. It's all alcoholics and prostitutes like in the 90s.

It's not a civilized country. To prove their points, they use, of course, outdated data from late Soviet Union through the 90s. Again and again and again. It never stops with these people. It's always the 90s in Russia. They actually get off on Russian suffering or perceived Russian suffering, so they refuse to accept that things actually changed a lot. And then there's another more recent view of Russia, although it's quite dissident, so I won't deconstruct it or anything. Let's call it the hope of alt-right. According to based MAGA pits, Russia is a Christian empire and Putin is going to save the West. I'm exaggerating there. Yes, very. The people who worship Putin and this, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why they were sad and stricken to hear this news about Putin retiring.

It shouldn't concern them either way, but they feel something because they are attached to this idea that in case shit hits the fan, that some magical putler, oriental leader, Hitler-like champion will save them. Of course, none of these views, nor the neocon view, nor the, you know, based view is correct. It's a giant circle of fake or exaggerated hopes or lies, you know. So it's caused by the lack of information basically from Russia. What Russia actually is, and this is unknown in the West, the secret dark truth is that it's just a normal country, normal European country, not the higher echelon like Germany maybe or Norway, but it's nowhere near Ukraine or say Romania. It's just a normal European country

with rich imperial past functional cities and beautiful smart people. We have just been through a lot, you know, genocide upon genocide, deadliest wars and other superpowers and hegemons constantly plotting to destroy us. Yes, even succeeding at that at times. But yet here we still are and, you know, fuck around and find out how strong we can be in your future. I love this meme from, I think, during the Crimea crisis a few years ago. Russian, I am a Russian occupant. I will post this video soon. It's perfectly made, I thought. But no, I think what you say about misunderstandings of Russian life, Russian political scene in the West on both sides is very important. Would you mind, would either of you mind commenting on the factions, the main political factions in Russia now?

Because my understanding, tell me if I'm wrong, is that Putin, Putin is actually a moderate in Russia and that the liberal so-called were completely discredited in the 1990s. In my view, they are not real liberals, but let's not go into that. But they were discredited because of Yeltsin regime and the way they let the West just pillage the country in the 1990s. So when Western media talks about Kasparov or now Navalny, who they know nothing about, they don't realize that Kasparov has something like less than 1 percent support, not even the Green Party in the United States, and that Putin's real opposition—please correct me if I'm wrong—I thought Putin's real opposition are the hard nationalists on one hand and the communists on the other.

And so in a Russian setting he is really the moderate and the West should really hope for his success. Am I right or wrong on that? Would you care to come? What is the arrangement of political factions in Russia right now? I mean, you are right insofar as Putin is basically a normal, slightly conservative-leaning neoliberal. There is nothing exceptional about Putin and his mode of government. There is nothing totalitarian about it. There is nothing fanatically nationalist about it. It's just boring, real politics. Yeah, he's just a bold Macron. Yes, basically, yes. It's just Macron, but with other fetishes. The political factions is quite interesting. There is no real functioning party system in Russia right now.

In the so-called governing party, Yidinaya Rassiya, United Russia, they are not really like a ruling party like the CCP in China. Even Putin isn't a member anymore, as far as I remember. And it's—the problem in Russia is that there are no, I wouldn't say there are real political factions, as in parties, as in interest groups who propose different policies. in Russia is more personal, I think. It's personal groups who have certain interests which they want to advance. And the problem is that the Putin group, if I may say so, they are very slow to react and adapt. They don't like to go on the offense regarding anything, actually. And they're interested in economic development, but slow and not like in the 90s.

They're interested in protecting Russian political interests insofar as it doesn't lead to conflict, because there can be no real actual hot conflict between Russia and the West, because most of our ruling class is tied to the West. Their children are in American universities, they own houses in France and Italy, and so on and so on. They go to Germany when they want, like, for their cosmetic operations or whatever. The Russian ruling class is very much tied to the West, which is why most of the so-called conflict is just posturing, is just like wrestling for control of markets or whatever, at least from the Russian side. There is also the problem of propaganda, I think. It ties into the twofold picture of Russia that many Westerners have, that it's either

like Nigeria with nuclear weapons or it's like based Russia and Putin is going to save the West. I think this has to do with Russian propaganda for the West is pretty good, actually, like Russia Today and so on. It's high quality. It's made by talented people. But the internal propaganda, it sucks. Like there is no fanatical Putinist army in Russia. Like the internal propaganda is lazy and boring, and it looks like they have given up on internal propaganda. It's just people are OK, as long as the economy is good. People get mad when the economy takes a turn for the worse, like everywhere. is very unideological, it's very non-ideological, and you have like political subcultures among young people and many of those are basically carbon copies of American political subcultures,

but I don't think they have much influence on federal level politics. Yeah, it's basically a swamp, you know, it's very slow and nothing happens. But the only politics in the American sense that is happening is happening outside of the governmental structures. Like Kirill said, it's young people forming their subcultures and and YouTube ideologies and so on. And they copy American ideologies to a T. So we're so Americanized now, especially our youth political culture. So we have now two unofficial libertarian parties. First one was made by a literal pedophile. No, not really, no. They just rape kids. I think that's enough to qualify. So Mikhail Svetov, literally pedophile, he was hosting underage. It's important to note that the Svetov faction of libertarians, they are actually, like,

tied with American libertarians. They have ties to the Cato Institute and whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They are tied to American institutes, but they didn't get their bow ties yet. So Svetov was hosting underage Lolita site, you know, like a little girl naked site before he engulfed in politics. He also had a girlfriend that still went to school. So he has a perfect biography of a promising young leader from Russia. And the second libertarian party that left the Svetov faction, they didn't left because he was a pedophile, mind you. They left these libertarians for their own party because Svetov wasn't paused enough. Yeah. So because he wasn't SJW enough, there are now two libertarian parties. And there are some, you know, shitposter groups akin to alt-right, and I help to create them,

of course, on the internet, some in real life, but not, there are communists, I guess, but not the old style, Kaparev-Zugunov style communists. No, modern communists are also American in nature. Yeah, Pussy Riot. They are, you know, Pussy Riot. Sorry, go on. You heard about it. Yeah, yeah, Pussy Riot is basically what Russian communists are like. They are copy of, you know, CIA communism style. They are repeating what social media leftists from Brooklyn say. And what's funny about Pussy Riot, because it was in 2012. And during this time, There was no real, you know, SJW anywhere infestation, even in the West. It wasn't as strong. And in Russia it was nonexistent, basically. So Pussy Riot was so far ahead of its time that CIA manufactured them, you know, ten

years too early to this take and effect. Russians were more normal than they are now, but they're still normal. But, you know, the zoomier generation is kind of borderline American. So right now, if Pussy Riot were to assault a church, some young roasties would celebrate that for sure. But eight years ago, Russian people were like, They're crazy. They need to get slapped even maybe. And they're dumb. Basically, that was the whole reaction. I was hoping that in Russia, if anywhere, the Russian men would come and beat the shit out of them. But, you know, the thing I want to ask you, when you say the youth cultures are very similar to the West, and obviously that cultural, pop cultural imports as much as Coca-Cola or anything, so they imported this social justice and so forth.

But I wanted to ask you, you know, when you see online now United States is divided among, let's say, the zoomers, Generation Z, many of them are extreme far leftists into social justice, SJW, as you say, or into Black Lives Matter and these kinds of insanities. And then, on the other hand, you have maybe not outright, but frog-adjacent. So the Generation Z is extremely polarized in America, completely. There is no—excuse me, you see that Zog attacks me when I try to say this. But in the United States there is no centrism left anymore among the very young people, Generation Z. So I wanted to ask, what situation in Russia is the U.S. mostly unpolitical? Is it as divided as in the U.S.? Because Hakan, when he was, he sent me these images from Tinder, right, these girls advertising

that they love the E.U. in their Tinder profile, which just seems so strange. Is it code for something? I don't know. But they advertise this. I guess I'm asking how politicized, how polarized is the youth, and how do you see Russia future if they are polarized? You know, if nothing happens in the West, but we as Russians with attitude will hope to change that and interfere in American politics to destroy it, but if nothing happens, then I think we are doomed to relive the same American steps of political divides and so on. So young people will spend their time hating each other on social media to know and smarter people and secret services will start manipulating them. But right now Russian girls especially, even then, when they say they love the European

Union or USA, they are not very political in that. They just feel some power under, you know, ZOC, ZOC power. They feel it in their ovaries, and they pay respects. They don't know what they're doing. If they felt deep inside them that, you know, Putler was as powerful or more powerful, they will become Putler girls. So it doesn't really matter. You know, right now, as I say, typical Russian young person is normal enough to not be insane politicized retards who on social media is angry all the time. So it's not that bad. You have these people, but it's completely astroturfed. You have a few foundations or media companies or whatever that get some money from Brussels or from DC and it's just a career opportunity to be a feminist in Russia.

It's not like people who are really political radicals or something. It's just a way to get easy grant money from the West. So people put out half-assed feminist propaganda on TikTok or Instagram or whatever. And it's nowhere near as bad as in the West, of course. But if nothing happens, these things can get out of control, of course, because you have, Of course, like, the 30-year-old sociology graduate who can't get a job and who gets so much money to make feminist blogs, she is not a feminist, but her 14-year-old fangirls, they will grow up to be feminists. And this ties again to what I said earlier about how Russian internal propaganda is pretty bad. Russia has currently no real cultural mechanism to fight back against it.

I just wanted to say that the money to people like Solovey, who I mentioned earlier, like these who don't know anything, who don't understand Western culture and don't understand the dangers of liberalism as it exists now, instead of to, like, frog people like us, which would be more efficient in combating, because I think the Kremlin boomers, they don't understand that anti-feminism is just another variant of Western imperialism and that every smartphone is an American military base. It's very important. You and your mafia can foresee these events and stop these developments. I think they're important. As, like, Steve Saylor says, perhaps within 10, 15 years they will install Masha Gessen as your new Yeltsin.

And this fate I would want to know, but, you know, Masha Gessen, she was married to a gray alien in the city of Perm in 1993, a gay marriage with a gray alien. This is completely true. I have this from special source. But we are coming up on heartbreak. We will have more segment when we come back. But I must go. I have to beat Brennan. He's getting out of hand. We must go to commercial break. We'll be right back. So, welcome back, Caribbean rhythm, and I can say for a report that we are all lathered up on vodka now. But I want, since we ended last segment, talk about the extreme polarization in United States among the youth between the far left and the far right, with really no center left. And yet the left owns almost all the mainstream media and so forth, and it sounds like it's

similar in Russia and you and other friends trying to fight a kind of rearguard battle for cultural supremacy, to try to promote our message among the youth. But this, to me, brings up important question. I had a whole show on it a few episodes ago, the old left versus the new left. In other words, the old Bolshevik communist, hard communist, even Stalinist left, versus the new Tony Blair left and, of course, the other side of it, the identity politic sides, the racial politics of the new left, the gender, you know, the tranny new left. And I thought in the context of Russia this especially important subject, because you You had, you know, the regime that was ruled by the old left, right? You were the Bolshevik regime for 70 years.

So I'm wondering how this is filtered through in Russia now. What is difference between old left and new left in Russia? What is your opinion on it, on this division on the world in general, old left versus new left in the West? And perhaps we can also talk in this segment a little bit about Alexander Dugin as so-called prophet of the new right, because I know many of my listeners are quite interested in Dugin, not all like him, some are against, but in any case that is topic of much interest in the West. So if you wouldn't mind taking from here what this old left versus new left, what's your opinion on this? Okay, so first of all, especially because of the Soviet past of Russia, you have a very schizophrenic divide.

You have people who call themselves communists and who hate the Soviet Union. It's the young generation, and even mimetically, it's kind of like Soviet conservatism is regarded as something soviet and young leftists there are like people who regard the soviet union as some kind of they have some kind of dragon view as an evil emperor who was suppressing like lgbt and ethnic minorities and whatever and it's very interesting that young russian Some communists have the same view of the Soviet Union as neocons. I guess it's because they're both kind of proscuites, and they have the same heritage in this regard. And I remember reading an interview from Russia, and the interviewer asked them what it means to be a communist in Russia today.

And they gave an answer that was extremely schizophrenic. The answer was like, being a communist means fighting against everything that is red. So, being a communist means fighting against the Soviet territory, fighting against everything that is historically communist. So it doesn't make much sense in this regard. It makes sense if you understand that new leftism is not leftism in the classical sense. It was specifically created by the CIA to make communists hate the Soviet Union. All this Eurocommunism, all this Trotskyism, the Fourth International, and everything, it was all created during the Cold War by Western security services to create a communism that is communism, but at the same time hates the communism that really exists.

So it's a Cold War weapon that got out of control, basically. And so the only people in Russia who are still classical communists are like boomers, are like people who are 70 years old, like my late grandfather, he called himself a communist for all his life, and he had political views that would grant him all pride in America. Yes, it's very bizarre, actually, because I understand in American context how you can have a young, dumb American go around and say, well, the Soviets didn't do real communism, we will, and it's the tranny thing, it's not what the Soviets did. And always the assumptions they have under this is that only Americans are virtuous enough and smart enough to do real communism, and they believe the reason it did not work in

Eastern Europe and Russia is because people there are corrupt and stupid. Is this also the view of the Russian young new left? It's very, you would think, very strange, they believe this about their own country. I mean, how do they justify it, is what I'm guessing, asking? Most people, like most insane people, most people in Russia who are politically insane hate Russia very much, and Russians, like liberals, leftists, you have the equivalent of like tankies, they even have a small unofficial political party, I forgot what it's called, think it's something like communist youth league or something like that komunistichiski, sejus mojozer, like the soviet komsomol, you have groups like this who are, you have not anymore but up until five six seven years ago you had

the nuts balls, communists but very patriotic at the same time but nowadays nowadays, like teenage communists, just Tumblr, SJW communists, like people who hate Stalin and who hate Lenin because he shot the prostitutes at one time, and it's all very insane. And I mean, communists have never been known for being very sane, but being a communist in Russia nowadays, it's just kind of retarded, like, if you want to be a patriot, then just be a patriot, communism was not very good for Russian patriotism, and otherwise you're just a CIA asset anyway, so it doesn't matter what ideology you have. Yes, I see. Were you guys young pioneers, or are you too young for that? You know, I was made a young pioneer, I remember the day, and of course if you were the pioneer

Kravat at that time, outside of the school, you got the shit beaten out of you. And rightly so, because you were seen as a kiss-ass. I mean, that whole regime was completely discredited. And I wonder if what you describe now, if the innocent explanation is just a residual distaste for late communism, which was such a discredited regime, but the other side of it, in the West the new left hates Russia, as you have hinted on this show and before and you well know the new left in the West hates Russia because so many of their families fled the Tsar. They are people from shtetls in the Pale of Settlement. So they're hatred of Russia. Yes, of course. Yes, of course. You have a whole in America, you have a whole caste inside the media who are basically just

goblins who were chased out of Russian villages for poisoning wells. And they have so much genetic hatred that now, 100 years later, they still write New York Times articles about Cossacks and whatever. It's all quite insane. To be honest, yeah, it's respectable in some way to be this much of a racist, you know, principal racist that your grandkids still hate some race that you hated. They don't know why they did it, you know. They don't know the reason. They haven't even met Russians or been in Russia. These people sell themselves as liberal cosmopolitans, and so much of their world view is because of a parochial family hatred that was passed down from the transfer. And they're reinforced by Hollywood, Fiddler on the Roof, and other propaganda.

But I'm wondering, you're saying in Russia, of course, the new left, although they hate They're not motivated by the same ethnic family attachments. It's a different thing, you're saying. No, not really. I wouldn't say there is an organized new left in Russia. Most young liberals are actually, I don't know, none of them argue for social programs or whatever. Most of them are hardcore capitalists, I would say. Like they hate putler and whatever and want to liberate transgenders from the church and concentration camps and all that shit. But I have never seen them like work with trade unions or work for social programs because most of them, as big dog just said, they hate Russians and they don't want them to be prosperous. They don't want them to have social programs over there.

It's just not an area of interest for them, like economic socialism. There are no economic socialists in Russia. There is, though, at least on paper, Kaparev is kind of pro-social stuff, you know. But if we are talking about live people, not geriatric, 90 years old members of Kaparev, And communism is not really an option, because USSR was not that, is still fresh in our memory. So a few people would say that it was good, you know. So communism, even in the leftist, new left circles, is not really propagated. not talking about communism as an economic system. They just take the tranny stuff and the feminism stuff. And communism now, they leave it to their American friends. So that brings up, I want to

ask you, you say that the SJW new left in Russia is mostly interested in the tranny, the gay, and the feminist stuff. Now what about the racial or ethnic? Is there an analogous thing like you have in America where there's anti-whiteness, is there an anti-Russian and let's say pro-caucasus or pro-whatever, Kazakh, pro-Chechen, pro-lesbian, you know, the way you have pro-black in the U.S., is there an anti-caucasian? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kazakh class matter, yeah. Actually, not really. There's no structural anti-racism like there is in USA, because people who are interested in SJW stuff are rich and Russian. So they are not that concerned about, you know, Central Asian suffering or Dagestani or whatever.

They think about themselves, how to make their polyamory, vegan-friendly lifestyle more trendy and acceptable. They don't give a shit about blackasses, churkas, and so on. They don't think about it at all. It's very interesting how in America, all this stuff was actually based on anti-racism because anti-racism was the first foundation, foundational brick of this whole structure. And the feminism and so on came along with it. But in Russia, there is no anti-racism now because as of now, you know, you don't get Tajik girls into SJW, not yet? Yes, yes, I think that's the main point actually. Just these populations, they are very socially conservative. You can't walk around Chechnya and talk about intersectional feminism. It's just going to get you killed.

It's the same in Tajik, Uzbek diaspora. These people are like two generations removed from being nomads in the steps. And they don't give a shit about intersectional feminism or trainees. They just want more money for their programs. And you have powerful diaspora organizations. These exist, of course, but it's not the same discourse as in America. It's all based mostly on like these evil Russian fascist labor laws don't allow us to import more people from Uzbekistan who work for 10 rubles an hour or stuff like that. Yeah, but when if they will be integrated more into Russian society and I think this course runs the same it will happen. It will be funny to see all these, you know, Uzbeks vote for some Russian nationalist type because the same thing that happened in America

this election that Mexicans, they're not all for Trump of course, but an increasing number of them are of Latino, are prone to like people like Trump despite all the propaganda. So I think that you know we will see the rise of based Kyrgyz in Russia that will, you know, there will be some Proud Boy-type organization made entirely out of Kyrgyz and Uzbek men that will be shutting down HEW meetings. And I strongly recommend for you to make alliance with the Buddhist Kalmyks. I saw a very old Buddhist temple, oldest in Russia, I think, in Petersburg. And I know the Buddhist They follow Mongolian tantric Buddhism, a very powerful green dragon society. I hope you make Ungern von Stern-Scherberg alliance with the Buddhist Kalmyks.

But in this connection I wanted to ask you, since we're on the ethnic question as it relates to left versus right, the future of the Russian people, not just within Russia, but for the meaning of the Russian people for the world. A lot of my audience, very strong interest in Alexander Dugin in this idea of Eurasianism and his thought in general. And I was wondering what your take is on Dugin, what is his position in Russia, how many people like him, does he represent actually a major Russian faction of thought, what do you think about that? OK, so the main takeaway here is that Dugin is just an esoteric philosopher. He is not a professor any longer. He hasn't been for six years, I think. He was a professor of sociology at the Lomonosov University in Moscow.

He has never been any kind of advisor for Putin, as Western media sometimes says. They compare him to Rasputin, which is an incredibly evil, hostile myth anyway, which was never real. And I think the main point is it was pretty well illustrated in 2016, when Trump won and people like Michael Anton and Bannon moved into the disease scene. And you had, like, dozens of articles about how these people are so exceptional, they're evil geniuses, they read books. For the Western media class, people who read books, it's the same as magic. So Dugin is just a professor, he's a specialist in Heidegger, he knows his Karl Schmitt, he wrote dozens of books on philosophy, on Aristotle and Plato, and he doesn't really have like a political ideology or programs.

There is this Eurasianism stuff and there used to be or is still like the Eurasian youth movement, which is like 10 people on the internet, and he is not very influential. He's influential as a meme, like he's a meme personality, but he's not actually a salt leader or something like that. It's just this funny old man who writes books nobody understands. But to Western media people, Western journalists, the ability to read a dense book of philosophy is identical to magic. So they regard Dugin as a wizard, and all of the political fantasies about Dugin come from this. Yeah, I think it come from movies, stupid shows they watch. And this was also my impression. People should realize, I think, Dugin is not Putin's advisor.

He has no political role in Russia, as far as I know, and just doesn't even represent, like you just said, any major Russia faction. But look, I want to ask you, before we close show, I hope you come on my show in the future and I come on yours, but I wanted to ask you, is this everyone talking about Armenia war right now? What's going on there? Would you care to comment on Armenia war? Yeah, Armenian war is funny because no one knows what is happening, but everyone sees these little Armenian flags flying on the social media. So it's not that epic, actually. If you're interested in it, it's quite simple, really. Armenians just want to be Jews. But the only difference is that they can't stop taking Els. They are Jews without a superpower.

Yeah, well, Armenians are basically Jews, but with one standard deviation IQ lower. Maybe, yeah. And they also don't have a superpower in their pocket. So they could actually make and try to make Russia their greatest ally. But then they decided to fuck it up in the recent years. Basically Nikol Pashinyan is a little West-loving weasel that discontinued any serious alliance with Russia. army and Russian secret services and so on. So he wanted to be liked by the West and thought that the West will save him, basically. And he was against any serious cooperation with Russia. And now Armenians are terribly surprised that we Russians didn't save their black asses and didn't start a new world war. So all Armenians can do now is just scream their lungs out on social media. And that's it.

Because 70% of Armenians live outside of Armenia. Don't forget that. So basically it's a narcissistic, ethno-nationalist gypsy nation that demands others to step in for them. All the while they're chilling in California, Moscow, Sochi, and Paris. That was, that's pretty much it. Yes, it's terrible to see. I wasn't even aware until this conflict started how much Armenia had mindcocked itself to the West and moved away from Russia, which could have been its protector. And I suppose this should be a lesson. If Georgia wasn't, then maybe this is that to the East Europeans, who believe somehow that by joining NATO the United States will come in and save them. And again, I do not think that Putler or Russia intends to invade even Estonia, although,

in my opinion, you have complete cause for war to invade Estonia, as so much. Well, by historical standards, so much of their citizens are Russians. And I heard they are mistreated. And then they put NATO weapons within striking range of Petersburg. So I don't know if Americans understand. The analogy would be for Mexico to make an alliance with Russia and for Russia to put artillery that can reach Houston. Nobody would accept that. But even so, I do not think Putin or Russia has any plans to invade Estonia. However, I think if they did, there would be no response, and East Europeans need to understand this, but I guess people are delusional. You have the same problem worldwide of sclerotic ruling classes who are faggots for Western

fashions and they follow slavishly this fashion to put pro-democracy and to put pronouns in their bios in this. I don't know. Yeah, basically we forgot that wars are actually normal and they happen and there is no actual safety from bloody wars and NATO blankets or whatever is just a myth basically. As long as people believe in it maybe they will be protected but it all can change in a second basically. I also think that the Armenian war did not get as much media attention in America as it could have, because it's too complicated for American journalists. Because there is no clear black and white. Because you have Armenia on one side, which is kind of good, because it's a democracy, it's pro-U.S. You have a huge Armenian diaspora in the U.S.

But at the same time, they are supported kind of, supported by Russia, and by Iran, which are bad countries. At the same time, you have Azerbaijan, which is bad because it's like a dictatorship or whatever, and Muslims, but they are supported by Turkey, and NATO allies, and Israel. And it's obvious Israeli military tech was the main reason why the other rich were so successful against Armenians. And this is too complicated, there are too many sides, too many shades of grey, and American journalists can't understand a conflict if it's not clear who is bad and who is good. So this is why they don't discuss it as much. This is the great way to escape Western media attention and Western military attention as well, just to fuck their brains up, you know?

Just mash all the ideologies and alliances together and they will not involve themselves in it. So it's the perfect secret war that no one can stop. So if you by any chance run a small nation in Africa, say, you just proclaim various insane alliances and ideologies and things, and USA will not be able to decipher what to do, and they will be a lot of stuff. They are children who think exclusively in moral terms, and for all their posturings that they are Metternich and geopolitics in this, they cannot understand conflicts in those terms. They don't, geopolitics, they do not even know geography. I guarantee you, you take one of these parochial American journalists at New York Times or so forth, they are not able to place European nations or capitals on a map. I guarantee you this.

But I guess it's the same thing, like you were saying earlier with Dugin, where it's just this cartoon character where they have to imagine the eminence, Gris pulling the strings behind Putler or something. It's absurd. Now, I myself do not like Dugin. He attacks surfing. He seems to me to be a crank who tries to impose his tastes through philosophical justifications. But before we close this show, I wanted to ask both of you if Dugin is, as you say, he's He's not the intellectual father of the reaction against Global HOMA and so forth. What is your vision for future of Russia? Is there somebody who you do respect within Russian intellectual life who can provide an alternative? Or are you yourselves hoping in the future to provide this, you and your friends?

And how do you see, just in closing, how do you see future of Russia in, I don't know, 10, 20 years, best-case and worst-case scenario, maybe, or whatever you want to say? Well, I think the best case scenario, the best case realistic scenario for Russia would be if you have Eastern European countries who understand that being an American vessel is actually bad, like the Visegrad countries, like Croatia, Poland and so forth, and if they create some kind of pro-Russia bloc inside the European Union, then you have a pretty large political alliance. And if relations with China or maybe even Japan gets a little better, well, that depends on the other. So if Russia is friendly with China, it will be hostile with Japan and vice versa.

So kind of like European sovereignty, that would be pretty good under the Russian sphere of influence. And the worst case is, I guess, Putin dies, and the CIA places some Masha Gessen localites in the Kremlin. I think that the only possible case for a bright Russian future is to fuck American discourse up with our new podcast Russians with attitude destroyed. So we have a free range of movements and we are not controlled by CIA spooks and propaganda no more. So if you want to accelerate the decline and destruction of American media empires, subscribe to our podcast. It's not just a podcast, it's a movement. Yes, all American and Russian oligarchs are very welcome to graciously give us lots of money. It's very good.

Well, I also encourage audience, I will post your account, Russians with Attitude podcast, and is really, I think, you represent worldwide movement in many countries, us, the frauds, to try to wrest back control from what you call the spooks, the security state that has made international discourse into such garbage. But I do think what you say, Russia future, could be bright if enough European, East European nations wake up in time and they see the completely destructive. You know, four decades of Soviet domination I think was terrible for those countries, but it did not replace the populations, it did not chemically castrate the children. And this of what would come with global HOMO if, God forbid, Biden should come through. But, again, no jinx. I hope Trump make it.

And in any case, we will continue the fight for the future. And I wanted to thank both of you very much for coming on my show. And again, the Russians With Attitude podcast, I hope you come again on show or I come on yours. Brennan is here. I will beat him. Very good. Very good friend. So long, then. Yes, thank you very much, Bob, for having us, and Heil Drümf, and Heil Putler. Very good. See you next time. Goodbye. BAP out.