Welcome Caribbean resume. I have back on show a special from Kremlin, Moscow or Central African Republic, undisclosed Russian with attitude Kirill and Pigdog, my old friends. Welcome back to the show. Salon Bratan. Hello, Bob. Thank you for your kind invitation. I wanted to play a little game, but you already did the salon thing. I wanted to say siemem bratim, and you need to finish it. Siemem bratim salam, yes, muy niegar, muy niegar, welcome back to show. The time zones are all over the place, but we are still doing the show, just imagine. Please do not disclose my location as I am being hunted. You are in Lemuria right now, just east of Madagascar. Yes, very different time of day for both of us, but I did mention Central Africa Republic.

It is a supposedly French dependency, but as we all know, all elite from Africa went to school in Moscow. I don't know how you feel about that. It's actually quite interesting about the Central African Republic. African Republic. I just read today that they introduced Russian as a mandatory foreign language in their schools. Yes, I am not surprised. Well, this has something to do, I will ask you about Putin, but please, what is news in Russia? What's going on? Other than COVID, nothing interesting is going on in Russia, but Belarus and Ukraine, it's much more livelier there. You've probably We heard about the migrant crisis in the Polish border, so as I've been told Lukashenko absolutely stays behind it, he is the man who did that.

Because you see, the Russian main airline, Belavia, was sanctioned by the EU from operating in Europe. So Belavia was left with little to no flights. They had to make some profit, so they started flying to Middle East more, and there old bastard Lukály devised a devious plan. He is now imitating what another mustachioite man of power did back in 2015, swarm Eastern Europeans with Kurds to get his revenge at the EU. It's really funny. It's like some RPG game where he commands a squadron, of course, that attacked the border. And I have actually no idea where he got those from because it's a very special contingent of migrants. A Russian journalist friend of mine is currently there at the border, at the better Russian-Polish border.

and he says that all the migrants are like rich people, like actually rich, and that they are buying packs of cigarettes of the locals for like a hundred dollars. Yes, no this is good. I have many European friends, as you might know many in Scandinavia, they don't like you Russian very much, and when I posted Lukashenko chiding a farmer for animal abuse and this, and I praised him for protecting animal rights. Because of this recent crisis, they blocked me, they chimp at me, they don't like this. But I wonder, has Lukashenko made the point that, you know, what is Europe complaining about if he is, you know, diversity is our strength, you know, he's enriching European Union where he's bringing them engineers and space rocket scientists. Has he

trolled them in this way yet? I don't know. I don't know, maybe you've seen the latest interview he did where he had a very funny harsh tone where he told them that he would slaughter all the Western NGOs and stuff. It was very funny. Yes, Luka is a very interesting constellation. It's basically, he has an, it's incredibly how powerful better Russia is with regards to Russia. They are in a position of power and dominance. It's kind of better Russian occupied government. It's because basically Russia has completely neglected soft power in better Russia, right? There is no pro-Russian political force there. So the only political force that is in opposition to Lukashenko are pro-Western, pro-Ukraine, pro-EU liberal nationalists. And so Russia has to support Lukashenko

because he's like moderately annoying. Like he's leeching of Russia and he's forcing Russia into unfavorable trade deals and stuff. But he's not actively anti-Russian and as soon as Lukashenko disappears, it's just hardcore anti-Russian takeover. Yes, I saw this recently. You told Russia to fuck off. People in the West probably don't know this. He's not especially pro-Russian and neither actually was, I don't want to say dictator, but quasi-dictator of Ukraine before the coup there in the last decade. He was not especially pro-Russian either, right? No, the Ukraine, like supposedly pro-Russian Ukraine before Maidan and stuff, and better Russia, they are kind of like, you know, a 35-year-old loser son living in your basement

and just doing drugs all day and not getting a job and making you pay for his wheat and stuff. Yes, no, it's not a good situation, but what's going on in Russia with Zhirinovsky, if I may ask? I don't want to make any uncomfort if we are being monitored, because just now Russia friend tell me the Liberal Democratic Party, and people should know that, Zhirinovsky extremist so-called party in Russia is called Liberal Democratic Party, much like I want to name my party in the United States, the moderate centrist party. But he has a strong hold in the Russian Far East. Is this correct? Someone tell me this. It's not Zhinovski himself, but a member of the party, Khorgal, who was a governor of Khabarovsk region. I believe that's what you mean by that.

Yes, if possible. By the way, in the West, the best red ikra you can get is Khabarovsk. It's very good, the Sermon Ruhov. So Khabarovsk, a year ago or so, the governor of Khabarovsk region was jailed. He was a member of LDPR, which is very uncommon for Russian political sphere. Almost all of governors etc. are from United Russia Party. So Furgal was from LDPR, still is probably, and he was jailed and like more than a hundred thousand people from a comparatively small town just went into his defense and Zhinovski was not the instigator at all he was afraid he wasn't supporting Furgal he didn't like what they were doing so yes by the way i just want audience to know. This show is not going to be especially on politics. My friends, Russia

with Attitude, have some quite unusual historical theories that we will discuss on the rest of this program. However, in the beginning, I want just to make clear for the audience some goings on today. And Zhirinovsky, again, is supposedly the far right or the hardcore Nationalist Party in Russia. My friends, Kirill, a pig dog as far as I know, you like him because he sometimes speaks the truth, but I've heard Russian nationalists speak of him as controlled opposition and all of this, and I wanted to ask your opinion because I've been online on so-called hard right forums and this for over ten years. I've met many Russians, and both among Russian nationalists and among white nationalists in America and Europe, they consider Putin to be part of ZOG, part of the World International

Zionist Conspiracy. They say he's anti-nationalist, that he's anti-Russian, and I frequently post in favor of Putin. I talk about his increased living standards for Russians and he stands up to so-called international community. But whenever I do this, I almost always now I'm attacked by somebody who say, no, no, he kept the oligarchs in power. The oligarchs are still rich. He is anti-Russian. He promotes multiculturalism and all this kind of thing. And the craziest of these people over 10 years ago, it was posted zero, zero, zero. I don't know if you know about him, but he was notorious. He has posted thousands and thousands all over the Internet talking about how Putin brings Central Asians and Caucasians this, you know, for my audience, when you say Caucasian,

it means the dark colloid people from Chechnya and Dagestan and that that part. Chechen have the red beard, it's true, the white ISIS, but white nationalists frequently complain he brings these people into Moscow and also Chinese into Moscow and they say that Putin getting back of Escalade and they saw a white blonde Russian woman and Chinese man holding hands on the street in Moscow and these type of posts over and over again. Chinese men take Russian woman. Putin is promoting this. He is part putler zog, getting back of Escalade. What do you have to say about these charges? Please respond. Yeah. The thing is that which Putin did this. You need to understand that there is no just one Putin. There is a Putin white nationalist, there's his clone anti-white Putin, there's a

liberal Putin, there's Putin for every taste. In the end for the status that we're going to talk about the wild conspiracy theory about the Putin being cloned and the original Putin was killed at the start of his presidency and there is just an army of body doubles of exotic structures And they all have different ideologies. So it's not a correct question. What is... You know, I've been hearing for, I don't know, over 10 years that China is taking over the Russian Far East. Everyone is talking about this. Everyone is claiming that this will soon happen. and China is taking all the land and stuff and demographically replacing Russians and Siberia and the Far East and I never really thought about it and then a couple months back

I just decided to like check it out check the actual demographics and I looked at the demographics of Vladivostok the greatest Russian city in the Far East and the greatest port in the Far East and there are like two and a half thousand chinese people yes but so it's it's it's really not comparable and if you look at moscow it's just that russians russians really love complaining especially residents of moscow they are basically living in what is white Tokyo moscow is the only like mega city in the world that has a majority european population there is no other and yes sure it's like I don't know 15 percent or so migrants maybe and but it was quite bad 15 years ago so or 20 years ago when they started coming on Mars but lately

they've you have to understand that Russia has no welfare state right so these migrants they don't come to leech off the welfare system. They come to actually do slave labor. And it's, of course, there's crime and stuff, but these are people who live like 30 people in a one bedroom apartment on the outskirts of Moscow, like 40 miles from the city center. And especially in the last years, they've been just moving them away from the city even further, further to the suburb, and basically you don't see them much anymore in Moscow proper. Especially in the center, other than workers in there. Yeah, a lot of Russian villages that were emptied out for the last 30 years are now actually inhabited by the Central Asian migrants. But the thing is also that these are really actually guest workers.

They come to work on construction sites for extremely little money. And whenever something happens, whenever there is some crime, whenever some Uzbek murders a girl or something, and whenever there is bad PR about migrants, they just deport like 20,000 of them. Yeah, due to Covid, when the borders were closed, actually like half of migrants just stayed in Central Asia I knew a plumber who was working on my toilet Tajik man so I just call this Tajik man and you know like come check your toilet and he's like I'm in Tajikistan right now probably is not coming back either, so it's not that they are permanent, right? No, I understand. This actually sounds very much like something else neo-cons and others do

when they complain about France and it's a form of, you know, this overused word, but it is projection. They cannot talk about America's demographic problem, so they talk instead as if it's happening in France And so you'll hear neocons complain about no-go zones in French cities I like to point out American cities have had no-go zones for much longer period you if you are a white American you cannot go inside the inner cities of many American places many American big cities and America's demographic problem when you look at it's maybe 60% white but that's a generous definition of white Whereas, you know, France and even you hear horror stories about Holland, but Holland is something like 3% Muslim or this.

America has much more serious demographic problems, I think, than any European country, even Belgium. But because neocons especially cannot talk these things about America, they complain instead about Russia this way. So same with China, you know, it's amazing what you just told me about Vladivostok. I didn't know that. You compare 2000 French, excuse me, Frenchmen, same thing, 2000 Chinese in Vladivostok, well San Francisco is an emerging Chinese city as Luttwak likes to say, Vancouver in Canada, what is that? So very strange, you know, they cannot complain about this in the United States or how they We have Dianne Feinstein, who was basically a Chinese handler for two decades, and so they say they're taking over Siberia and Russia on this. I don't know what you think of this.

What do you think about the craziness in America right now? I don't know if you just saw a viral tweet, some major figure in America. I don't know if it was a politician or an ex-official of the FBI or a security state, But I'm sure you saw this, he said, anybody complaining about how American cities were burning in 2020 are Russian agents, Russian assets, they don't use agent, asset, asset. How do you feel about this insanity still going on in United States, you know? I mean, it's good entertainment in some way, I mean, it probably sucks if you're American, But I mean, of course, I feel sorry for my American friends that this shit is happening. But it's kind of funny to watch because it's really these people are completely insane. It's like it's ridiculous.

These people are completely unhinged. And you don't see that very often, like just people being like this in public. It's so like secondhand embarrassment that I feel. What do people in Russia say about this insanity in the United States now? They don't really know about it at all. They just don't care and they have no way of knowing what Americans are saying about the Russian agents. Of course they do, but they really don't care. Russian culture is strong enough for us to not follow the American news and stuff like that. Yes, I don't know. I know boomers in the United States who went to Europe this summer and they were asked by their friends if they have to kneel in front of black people now and to show contrition. I want to know what other countries think about this insanity, you know?

The Russians knew about kneeling and stuff because it came into sports and some football soccer teams were forced to kneel and the Russians, as I remember, didn't kneel and their other teams from Europe did and there was like a huge discussion. Should we kneel? Should we not kneel? What the fuck is going on? Is it happening? So, yeah, on this analytical level, Russians are aware of what's happening and they don't like it very much. There actually was a Black Lives Matter protest in Moscow as well. It was like 20 or 30 people. But putler bring African student to Moscow communist regime before bring African student to Moscow to grow prussian girls how does that make you feel? I actually had a personal experience with this it was extremely lynchian so I was in

Saint Petersburg. I got on a bus and like two stops later, like 40 black people in uniforms entered. And it was completely surreal. Like I had never before in my life seen as many black people in one place. And I later found out that it was, there were cadets at the military academy in St. Petersburg and according to some treaty they got a military education in St. Petersburg but it was like really straight out of a movie like like what the fuck is happening it's crazy but yeah actually Stalin's grandson great-grandson is half African did you know that that I did not No, I don't know that. and hobo in Moscow with nowhere to live yes but but Stalin was already a black Georgian because I read from ancient they say the Colchis in Georgia were

swarthy and curly hair and practiced circumcision the Herodotus says this about the Colchis nation in Georgia so he probably come there's long tradition of some type of Negroid in Georgia, is that not true? Yes, we're actually going to talk about it later. I have recently done research on Stalin's biography and how it's just completely fake and we're going to talk about it in the next segment. I have some theories about this. Well, very good then. What you say, we take short break, possibly have some drink alcohols, you want to take short break now, we come back? Yes, sure. Come back to show, on this rest of program, we talk some unusual historical matters, but I wanted to say, to ask Kirill and Big Dog, what you think when you see in United States

media reports now on television and on Twitter, you see United States ex-security state officials pushing this word misinformation, misinformation, and it's been picked up by every 99 to 110, excuse me, yeah, 110, 110 IQ type middle-aged woman repeating the word misinformation. And of course, what they mean by it is lies that I don't, you know, lies that I don't agree with. You know, I lost a family member to lies, but they don't put it that way. They say misinformation. Then they put a picture of their Thanksgiving table with an empty seat because the heretic from the family has been disinvited. And this word misinformation, I may have said before, but it's worth repeating. It's a translation of disinformation, a state of art, excuse me, a word of art you could

say from Russian intelligence practices. But of course it doesn't mean, in KGB history, it doesn't mean just inserting lies into media. It's something much more sophisticated, it's planting misleading clues that then your opponent from an intelligence service, not the population, but the intelligence service has to piece together a puzzle that ends up being wrong, and various other practices like this. But how do you feel, and are people in Russia laughing at this stupidity where the word disinformation has become this spreading throughout mid-weight American media culture? What do you say about this? As Kirill said before, Russia has little to no soft power in Belarus, so it's hard to imagine that they have some miraculous technology of disinformation in the US, right? And personally

I stopped carrying or following all this Russia-gate stuff when Trump was gone because what's the point if we don't have our favorite agent? No, no, you can't say agent. If you say agent, you have to say asset. Agents are the good guys, agents are the good guys. No, you have to sound like, you know, what was it you said Kirill, 1968 FBI field manual to use technical language so you sound intelligence, misinformation. I don't know, it's just pathetic seeing this, you know. I mean, I just find it hilarious that the assumption is that Russians came up with the concept of lying and no one else was like no one else knows how to lie and it's flattering in a way how powerful the russian state is supposedly is and the special forces and the or whatever

but unfortunately it isn't so it would be great if it if fsb and grew actually controlled the the internal US politics. I would be all for it. I think it would be an improvement. I don't know. I can go off on tangent about this. Many people, primarily on the left, are possessed by obscene conspiracy theories. And then others on the so-called dissident right have picked up the same practice. But the Russia hoax was nothing new. The left has had retarded conspiracy theories going back to the 2000s when they said that the Bush White House was run by a Straussian neo-Nazi conspiracy and that Karl Schmidt, who was Hitler's lawyer, he was a major guiding intellectual influence of the Bush White House. So the left has always had this, the dissident right has picked up on it now.

I just like to point out to them the KGB defeated the CIA almost in every time they locked horns. The KGB won the, you could say, information warfare and intelligence warfare in Cold War at every turn. But even the KGB ended up making big mistake. As Paul Klebnikov say, they tried in the 1990s, early 1990s and late 1980s to control the Chechen and other Caucasian mafias. And those mafias said, oh, thank you very much for the money, we're going to do what we want anyway. You're not going to co-opt us, we co-opt you. And a similar happened actually in parts of Africa where, again, you have conspiracy theorists saying Russia controls this Afro-Marxist despot and that, but it was so far away from Russia that they could accept money and still do more or less what they wanted.

In other words, many attempts of KGB to co-opt opposition and such didn't work, but these people believe the CIA or FBI, which is much less competent, is able to control world events. So just to go, I know you were not planning to talk this on this segment, but I remembered it and I must mention that there are insane conspiracy theories spread by white nationalists in America that Michael Caputo in 1990s created Putler for Russia, right? And they believe also that Orban in Hungary is run by the Zionists because Orban at some point hired a Jewish consultant or a Jewish lobbyist to make an ad for him and to them that is proof that he is part of the Zionist world conspiracy and things of this sort. Now, of course, these guys actually work with a Soros journalist, so it might be...

You see where I'm going with this, but look, we don't need to talk that. I'm just saying the whole theory behind some kind of centralized misinformation machine that runs world events is American establishment conspiracy theory, but also spread to dissident right, so-called. Anyway, we don't need to talk this. You have some quite unusual historical theories that also have to do with impersonation and false history as such. Maybe we move to that. We might draw some parallels while discussing Russian history tonight, because our main topic will be about imposters and wild theories about Russian and Soviet rulers. There were hundreds of imposters throughout Russian history. It became so ingrained in Russian minds that there is now no shortage of insane theories about almost every ruler.

So, did you know that Europeans kidnapped Peter the Great and replaced him with a Dutch LARPer who destroyed ancient Russian mages? Yes, I believe this. We'll explore that. Did you know that Putin was killed right at the start of his presidency and the army of his body doubles? Now pretend to rule Russia. Yes, yes, now this is good. Did you know how weird Stalin's biography is? Some of what I just said is fabrication, some isn't, so let's dabble in mysteries and provocations because life would be boring without them. without them so yeah after this show we are launching a series on Russians with attitude our podcast where we would prove or disprove various mysteries not only Russian mysteries mind you for example we already proved that a medieval period in Europe was thoroughly fake

we even had a studied medieval historian to back it up so what more can be achieved let's find out So after listening to our good friend Bob Stroll, please head to RWA and subscribe, it's gonna be good, I promise. Yes, I will put it in show announcement. The historian, is that Fomenko or different? The one who say Middle Ages was fake? No, no, no, it was not Fomenko, we had an episode on... it was a western specialist on forgeries and fakes and he wanted to stay anonymous because in mainstream academia you can't talk about this stuff and keep a job but he's really a specialist on this topic and has written monographs about it and stuff and yeah we it's a very interesting episode it's uh i think you would enjoy it as well yes yes medieval forgeries

yes i i will link it yes uh so russian history is rich with fake rulers uh it always is a point a point of speculation for us european might ask do i like our ruler but the russian will always ask something like is his does he even exist is his biography real how many of them are there The question do I like him is usually irrelevant so during the time of the troubles at the start of 17th century there were officially at least five fake Mitris or legit Mitris all pretending to be sons of and heirs to the throne of Ivan the Terrible. An actual Tsarevich Mitri son of Ivan was killed when he was 8 years old. Or maybe he wasn't, no one knew for sure. First Faith Mitri was especially a strange figure. He was either a monk who escaped the monastery

or he was a son of Polish king Stefan Batore. In any case, bastard son. He was from a monastery where he escaped it, came to Poland, converted to Catholicism, got himself a Polish fiancée from a noble Schlechter family and told everyone that he is a rightful heir to the Russian throne in exile. And he was given 15,000 Polish miracles by King Sigismund. Yes, mercenaries. Mercenaries, yes. So, Beard's story, that he had such a good relationship, that nobody monk, that just came to Poland. But in any case, he went to war against Russian Tsardom forces. He entered Moscow, defeated them, and was actually crowned, and usurped Russian throne. And everyone was like, well, okay. Yeah, he survived. He is our heir. He is a son of Ivan the Terrible.

At the time everyone was such in disarray that he got a lot of genuine supporters. Even people who didn't believe that he was a real nitri, they didn't care. They liked him for some reason. This monk Rastriga devised even some laws. He had instilled some form of deregulation, he lowered taxes, he fought corruption and even planned a war against the Turks. He all in all enjoyed a level of power similar to an actual Tsar and wanted to make alliance with the Poles, Swedes, Italians, maybe get a blessing from the Pope. He disliked Russian orthodoxy, Russian customs, he despised them and executed everyone who suspected that he was not a real Dmitry. Yes, sorry to interrupt, just many even history friends need to be reminded, this is

late 1500s or so, yes? It's start of the 17th century. Early 1600s, okay. Yeah. So meanwhile when he resided in Moscow as an actual Tsar, fake Tsar, in the rest of the country there were a dozen of other pretenders roaming the land with Cossack mercenaries robbing peasants and wishing to replace a pretender with another pretender. There is basically no real heir to anything, just pretenders all over the place. So fake grandsons of Ewan the Fourth. Fake sons, fake cousins, an absolute clown world. And every citizen had his own take on what is happening. No, real Dmitry is alive and he's in Poland. No, fake Dmitry is real but possessed by the devil. It's immensely fun to explore Russian time of the troubles, the bloody carnival of violence, superstition. It's a deep Russian

lore that explains a lot about modern Russia as well. So, we wait for a big series on time of the troubles on the RWA. So, after a year of the circus, Boyars formed a faction and they decided to kill him. They captured the castle, dragged him out to the frozen Moscow streets, savagely beating him and dressing him up in rags. After he was killed, they They were humiliating his body for three days straight in the center of Moscow. It was decided to subject the already dead bodies of him and his allies to the mock execution. The mother of a real Dmitry and a dead eight-year-old kid was called to identify that he's not her son publicly. Marfa saw a dead body of fake Dmitry torn apart and said, well, whatever he was, now he's certainly not my son. So he was laid down on a scaffold,

the carnival mask of maybe it was a jester was thrown on his chest, a pipe was stuck in his mouth. He was humiliated thoroughly in a circus fashion. So Muscovitz were shocked how they treated their new tzard that they started to like. And to avoid any rebellions, Boyers claimed that he was a satanic spawn and actually worshiped some idols, and many other interesting details that I'm gonna give out for now. So, in the end they tried to bury his body, but as people of the time say, the earth did not accept him. And he popped out of his grave, right on the top, the next morning, every time. So, a fake nitri's body was dug up, burned, and ashes were mixed with gunpowder, fired from a cannon in the direction in the direction from which he came towards

Poland. Interesting story, right? But it doesn't stop there. In less than a year somewhere in Dzięsk another fake Dmitry proclaimed himself a rightful Tsar. He managed to control most of Russia after the death of the first one, other than Moscow, and was killed by Baptiste Tatar and another one and another one. All in all at least five fake nitris in the span of like 10 years and that's just nitris there were like in that time alone there were like 50 pretenders it's just insane and also what's interesting that every pretender was suspected in beechcraft and pagan rituals in some sort of satanic demonic possession And it's all up to another famous monk, Rasputin, these connections of Russian treatment of people like that remained.

So all of them are fake in the official history, but it doesn't stop Russians from speculating whether supposedly real rulers were or are in reality fake pretenders. Yes. In other words, what if one of these had been successful, in other words? But were these, in their upcoming through Russia conflict and history, so forth, were these successful because of their own innate talents, or were they just pretenders who were used by various factions? Were they pretexts for, let's say, the Poles or others to put themselves in power? power yes well the first mitri he was basically a polish puppet and he was accepted in moscow because he bought off the aristocracy the localist in moscow so yeah he wasn't some kind of napoleon

figure he was just a puppet yes no this yeah others like they were much more interesting personally yes do you want to talk about peter first or should i talk about yes okay so pugachev we are now 130 years later we are now in the year 19 1773 peter the third the And the grandson of Peter the Great had just been deposed in a coup by Catherine the Great. And he died soon after. But as often happens with Russian tsars, many people didn't believe that he actually died. And so you had Yemelyan Pugachev, a Cossack bandit from Zimavecka village where another great rebel Stepan Razim had also been born a hundred years earlier. So Pugachev, he was a Cossack and he served in the military, he served in the Seven Years War, but then he kind of started living a

vagrant bandit life and at some point he started pretending to be the actual real Peter the Great. yes but it's he really completed the lab like pugachev soldiers they were wearing they were cross-dressing or wearing like priest clothes and just attacking cities and burning and killing everyone and he was also like he had his atamans his cossack officers below him and he also made them change their names. So you had like random Cossack bandits and they were claiming to be like Count Varensov or Count Orlov or something. And he renamed random Cossack villages into Moscow and St. Petersburg and Kiev. So he had a whole little lab Russia. And he was of course the most interesting of those because he had the largest army and he made a lot

of trouble and the peasant war of pugachev went on for two years until he was finally beaten and executed but he really wasn't the only one you had at the same time historians have counted up to 40 bandits or cossacks or random people who claim to be the real peter the great just rampaging around Russia and burning stuff and looting stuff and while at the same time claiming to be the real pizza the great it's completely insane really so this is 1773 you are saying yes yes and this uh at all related to what was going on with Poland again with the partitions of Poland no this one was not connected to Poland this was uh just there was some general um

You had some general displeasure among the peasantry because of the war, the Seven Years War, it was fought on Russia's finances, and there was some agricultural stuff, you had the drought, so the peasants were angry anyway, and kind of Russian peasants. Well, the thing is that Russian peasants, even when they are rebelling and killing their superiors and burning their lord's men, they are crypto-monarchists. All Russians, they are kind of anarcho-monarchists by nature. And even when they behave like completely degenerate criminals, they still want to have vibe of restoring the monarchy. And I think that's why imposters were always so popular in Russia. Yes, this is very interesting. If I may ask you, I know it's unrelated, you say, but the

timeframe reminds me, just to remind the audience, around this time, 1770s through the end of 18th century, Poland was partitioned between Russia, Prussia, Habsburg, and stopped existing. And I've heard it said, and again, forgive me, I know this was not your topic on the show, and you will be perhaps a little bit offended as Russians to hear this theory, but I've heard it said that when Russia swallowed this huge part of Poland, that it was kind of a poison, kind of poisoned pill because the Russian elite may have been advanced and so forth. But Poland as a country was much more Europeanized and westernized than Russia, and that Russia could actually never really digest Poland as part of its empire. And this annexation caused many destabilizations in following 1800s and so forth.

Is that true, you think? It's like, you know, an agrarian empire swallows a somewhat more advanced, excuse me to put it that way, but a somewhat more advanced society in Poland and not able to digest it. Is that so? Yes, yes, it's true and I think it's mostly because the Russian government was too nice and they left basically the Polish nobility in place. They left the power structures in place. They even kind of left the army in place. You had Polish regiments and stuff, and Polish officers, and the Russian army, and so on. And Poland was never really like dissolved, right? You just, the kingdom of Poland continued to exist, but it was just in personal union with the Russian Empire. So the Russian Tsar was at the same time the king of Poland,

but it basically continued existing as a state. And that caused many problems for sure. There were many Polish uprisings. But I think the main thing wasn't even like the Poles, but while swallowing a large part of Poland, we also kind of brought another large population into Russian Empire, if you know what I'm talking about. And I think that ended up causing even more problems. I was going to ask... Sorry, go on, big dog. As to Poland itself, I believe that this battle between the Poles and the Russians was decided by a rap battle between Pushkin and Adam Mitzkevich, right? Yes, yes, it was true. And Pushkin won, so I don't believe in Polish superiority. No, the Poles need to be restrained and so forth. I believe this. I remember when I was a small boy,

I cannot say I was in a particular country and there was a Polish and we used to fight all the time. I didn't like, the Poles are very obnoxious people. I'm sorry if I offend my Polish friends, but they're crazy. But look, if I may say this, if it's too sensitive a subject, we can change subject, okay? You mentioned, okay, so they swallowed Poland, and with swallowing Poland, the Russian Empire got a very large Jewish population. And I wondered perhaps on this segment, at the end of this segment, if you wouldn't mind And I'm brief to discuss a smear on Russia Tsarist history, which is the pogroms, which I've heard the alternative explanation of the pogroms, which is that actually Russian Tsar never allowed them to happen, and it's simply that Russia was such a gigantic country

that it was under-policed. It seems strange to say to Americans and West Europeans who see Russia as an Oriental despotism, which in some sense it may have been, but it simply didn't have the technology to police that large a territory. And so pogroms usually happen because of local ethnic violence between Jews and their neighbors. And actually people don't know this, but Jews also did pogroms on non-Jews. For example, if a non-Jewish population of Ukrainians or Poles would boycott a Jewish market town or something like that, the local Jews would do a pogrom on them. That is not so much recorded now. But there was this local ethnic violence, in other words, and the Russian Tsar could not intervene in time. But from what I've heard, every time such a pogrom took place, actually the Russian

are to care to find the perpetrators of it and to execute them again you don't need to comment on this if you don't want but correct me if i'm wrong this uh this is what i'm hearing and that most of this violence took place not because of ancient antisemitism or religious disagreements but mostly over commercial competition that went on on both sides and What is little understood is that when Novorossiya was taken, this is the part of Ukraine that is now called Donbas and that part, again, correct me if I'm wrong, but Russia populated that with Russian peasants who ended up being prey to Jewish, I don't want to be too rude, but real estate speculation, let me put it that way. And so, this is why the so-called Pale of Settlement was established, again, not out

of obscurantist, medieval, irrational, or religious hatred of Jews, but simply because the Russian Tsar said, wait a minute, we have to protect our own peasants from being expropriated and so forth, so we're going to say Jews cannot live in Novorossiya, they cannot settle there, they have to live further west where they were before, but actually the so-called Pale of Settlement was a part of the Russian Empire that, you know, it was not a ghetto, it was more advanced than other parts of Russia, or it was better off. So I don't know if you want to comment on this, but basically the pogroms, that in particular is a smear on Russia that I think is... What do you say about that? Okay, so there are three things we can talk about here. The first is yes, you are right with the Pale of Settlement

because basically the Jewish population of Poland, they served as the manager class for the Polish aristocracy, right? So in the eastern part of Poland before its partition, you had a very harsh ethnic situation because you had the Polish nobility, you had Russian serfs and the Jewish manager class. the Jews were kind of just used by the Polish and so the ethnic hatred of the Russian serfs, it was directed not at the Polish nobility but kind of at the Jewish plantation managers more or less, whom the Polish used as a mitzvah. So you know the Bogdan Khmelnytsky Uprising and so on and yes that is basically what led to the creation of the Pale of Settlement. But it was mostly economic, as you said. Under Alexander I, Emperor Alexander I, who beat Napoleon,

there was Minister of Justice Gavrilo Dzerzadyn. Pushkin mentioned him in poems as the old Dzerzadyn. He realized at some point that there were far more Jews in the Russian Empire than appeared in the official census so which meant that they were not paying taxes and he saw that there's a problem and he created a commission to find out how many jews actually live in the russian empire so they would pay their taxes right and jewish merchants they paid off members of this commission everyone except so basically the commission couldn't do its work and And Dzhivin protested against this and he even threatened resignation if the Tsar wouldn't help him figure this shit out. But the corruption was actually so high up that many ministers and staff were also on the take.

And basically Dzhivin was forced into resignation because of this. So it was an ongoing economic problem. It was basically organized crime. It was not really ethnic or religious or anything. It was purely a matter of organized crime. And about the pogroms, if we are talking about the early 20th century pogroms, like the famous Odessa one and so on, 1905, which was greatly discussed in American press and so on, that is also very interesting, because if you look at the primary sources, like memoirs of actual Jews who participated in this, then you will see that for some reason in these cities where this happened there were paramilitary Jewish organizations. They were described as self-defense groups but they were

extremely well armed. They were organized and I remember reading like the memoirs of a Jew in Odessa who was a member of these self-defense groups and he was describing how there was a conflict between Russian and Jewish merchants in Odessa and Russian and then a Russian was murdered and a mob assembled and started like breaking windows in Russian stores and the Russian cell and the Jewish self-defense group they moved in and they had machine guns and grenades and they just started slaughtering the mob and it erupted into an actual program so it was really just you can't really describe it as an ethnic cleansing or stuff like this or or a genocidal act or it was like low level civil war on on an economic basis so it's really it's it really is the kind of slander

because of course the government never supported this they no government is interested in civil unrest. It's just absurd. Yes. Well, in the United States, you know, they may be quick to believe this because in the United States you very much see right now the government is using mobs because it doesn't want to enforce it. But I don't think that was true in Russia. I think it's just impossible to police that type of huge territory. But I think if most Most historical scholars who study this concede that Tsar executed leaders of pogroms whenever they happened, you know, not like in 2020 America. Yes, of course, people went to prison or were sent to Siberia for actual pogroms. And even the black hundreds who were actually blamed, the populist, monarchist organizations

who were blamed in the liberal press in Russia for this and in America as well. They had nothing to do with this. So it was like just random people in the street who engaged in violence and it was not organized in any way. Because if it had been organized, I mean, you can imagine what would have happened if it had been organized by the state. Yes. Well, look, I didn't mean to derail yours. I know this is a show about imposters and we're over 30 minutes on this segment. What do you say we take a quick break and come back, talk some more about massive misinformation in Russia history with fake rulers and imposters and so on? Yes, I want to talk about Stalin finally. I will expose Peter the Great finally. Yes, very good. We will be right back. Yes. Welcome back to the show.

I'm here with Russia Friends, director of Kremlin-Putler orders. I am directed both by American CIA and TIL and World Zionist Conspiracy and also Putler from Kremlin. And so I wanted to tell you that I was reading Gobineau yet again in anticipation of this show, the so-called founder of racism, Count Gobineau, who was writing in the 19th century. And he has, I did a show on him, he has amazing theory of racism, but he does not like Russians very much. Perhaps this you could say dismiss this because you say it's typical of the French not to like Russians. But I just like to read something for you from when he talked about the beauty of different races. from Gobineau now. And it's in context, of course, he's saying that the white, the Aryan race are the only

ones who are physically beautiful, the other ones only perhaps approximated. But so I'm reading from Gobineau now, he says, those who are most akin to us come nearest to beauty, such are the degenerate Aryan stocks of India and Persia and the Semitic peoples who are the least infected by contact with the black race. And then he has a footnote, and listen to what footnote says, now this may be a little bit hard for you to listen since you are Russia Kremlin, but okay, he say, this could be known, it's not me, I'm just reading the text, okay, he says, it may be remarked that the happiest blend from the point of view of beauty is that made by the marriage of white and black. We need only put the striking charm of many mulatto, creole, and quadroon women by the

side of such mixtures of yellow and white as the Russians and Hungarians. The comparison is not to the advantage of the latter. It is no less certain that a beautiful Rajput is more ideally beautiful than the most perfect Slav." End quote. So he's saying the Russian and the Slav and the Hungarian are hairy animals, okay? So I know this show is not about this, But what do you have to say of this? Ye are bold of tongue, but hark, Would ye indeed but try it, Or is the hero now reclined, and lower quiet, Too weak to fix once more his miles read by your net? Or hath the Russian Tsar ever in vain commanded, Or must we meet all Europe bonded, Have we forgot to conquer yet? Send your numbers without number, You maddened sons, your goaded slaves,

In Russia's plains, there's room to slumber, and well they know their brethren's graves." Alexander Pushkin Yes, yes. That's a Russian rap for you, yeah. Can we seriously argue… Yeah, Moinigar, yeah. …who was named El Goblino. I'm not sure. About race. Yeah, El Goblino. His name indeed was Count Goblino, yes. But look, we don't need to talk this. I do not mean to insult. I love the Russian people, some Russians are great. So, we wanted to talk more about the problem of imposters in Russian history. What? Yes, I just wanted to add that I don't think that Russians ever really get mad or angry at people being anti-Russian. It's just like a joke. For example, from the poem I just read, it's about Westerners introducing themselves into

the Russian-Polish conflict, while for a Polish person, being anti-Russian, it is their destiny. It is all they think about. It is the basis of their identity, while for a Russian, being anti-Polish, it's just like two paragraphs in Brothers Karamazov, and we don't think about the poems. Yes, yes. No, it's true. I once talked to a Russian man and he said, I mean, you know the story that Africa begins in Ukraine, these kinds of stories and so forth. He asked me if I am Georgian. Okay. And I tell him, no, I am such and such and from such a, he say same shit. This is how Russians think of others. I know this, but look, this show is about imposters in Russia history, you had some more interesting theories about this because

I don't know if there's anything similar to this from West European history. You have pretender kings and pretender princes and you have pretender popes, but it's never quite this where you have complete imposter, you know, out of nowhere and not just one, But for every major leader, yeah, for every major... Like imagine if after the death of Conradin, you had like 50 random peasants running through Germany and Italy claiming to be him. Like you can't even imagine that. Well, not just claiming, but getting supporters. So you had some interesting theories about Peter the Great, if you want to, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As I told you in the previous segment, Russian history knows hundreds of imposters. Some of them even got to rule Russia, so others were killed on the spot.

In any case, all of that gave rise to speculations of great magnitude about every Russian ruler. that are completely unfounded, that lead amateur researchers into insanity. So having said that, let's expose Peter the Great. Of course he was fake. Beware, what you are about to hear is pure entertainment, almost without a grain of truth. We will enlighten you with real facts later. I'm gonna just read a life journal article written by a probably insane person. It's my favorite hobby Yes, let's roll a young man of 26 by the name of Peter above average height Thick built physically healthy with a mole on his left cheek wavy hair Well-educated loving everything Russian Orthodox Christian who knows Bible by heart He goes to Europe with his great embassy in 1698.

Two years later an older man comes back, almost 40 years old, practically does not speak Russian, hates everything Russian, has not learned how to write in Russian until the end of his life without a mold on his left cheek, with straight hair and significantly taller. It might be just transmogrification, actually, so... Yes. Meanwhile, in French dungeons of Bastille, a strange prisoner appears, by the name of Marcioli or something like that. All of Europe tries to guess who might that be. He wears an iron mask, might be Louis' twin brother, or maybe father, or some general, they were all wrong because it was Peter I who was imprisoned and replaced by the devious foreigner imposter. You see, Markioli is how they mispronounced Mihailovich, his mother's name.

When fake Peter returns back home, he immediately sends his mother and wife to a monastery. St. C start a riot and they get killed with no mercy. This is what Peter the imposter has done to Russia. He introduced smoking, drinking alcohol and coffee consumption. He destroyed the old Russian way of life. He ordered all German quote-unquote professors to rewrite Russian history. He reduced our history by 5,000 years. I'm not sure what that is. Under the guise of of fighting the old believers, he destroyed all the elders who could live for more than 300 years. He forbade all the cultivation of amaranth and the consumption of amaranth bread, the main food of the Russian people, which destroyed their longevity and stopped

them from living for 300 years. I heard about this damned amaranth maybe 10 times already. is spreading hilarious disinformation in these conspiracy circles to make them look like fools, I swear. Amaranth is also known as pigweed. It's not a good plant, but it's presented as some magical... In hippie circle in the United States, amaranth is very popular now. Oh, I see. So not only Russians are falling into this desert. Let me stop you just for a quick second and I apologize to audience. There is a slight echo technically. Are you both wearing headphones? Yes. Yes, I do. Okay. Okay. And very good. Go on. Okay, so… But Amaranth is very popular. You go to any American health food store and Amaranth seed is sold as a health food.

It's a very new age thing, I think. To claim that Russians before Peter the Great ate the stuff that grew only in Mexico is ridiculous. But still, following crimes of Peter, the imposter, he replaced the Russian titular system with the European one, which turned the peasants into a subservient class. class although before him peasant was placed higher than a king. He changed our magic system this led to the destruction of ancient Russian architecture and art. People ceased to be beautiful since divine and vital proportions disappeared in their structure. He exterminated Streltsi as a military caste with their miraculous abilities and magical weapons and he dressed them in the European manner although for Strelsy uniform was itself a weapon

but his main crime was the destruction of Russian education the essence of which was to create three subtle bodies around you that connect you to the memory of past lives he also ordered mass destruction of infants who possessed the memory of past life and could talk just right out of the womb. What happened to the real Peter I? He was captured by the Jesuits and placed in the Swedish fortress. King of Sweden rescued him from captivity and together they organized a campaign against the imposter but the entire Jesuit Masonic Brotherhood of Europe together with the Russian troops whose relatives were taken hostage in case the troops decided to go over to the Swedish side, they won at Paltava. All of it sounds batshit crazy, but there is a grain of truth that I promised.

So let's recall a real documented quote by Peter himself. With other European nations you can achieve goals in humane ways, but with Russians you can't. I'm not dealing with people, but with animals, that I want to transform into people. So I don't know, was it Peter the imposter that said that, or maybe the real Peter, really makes you think, so. Yeah, my favorite thing from what you just read is, you know, the alcohol was introduced by the Westerners, by, the Dutch man introduced fire water to the Russian native, you know. And it's also said that he forced Russians to drink, they refused, but he found the barrels with wine and forced everyone to drink it. Yes. That's how they do their magic pose. This is a great plot for a fantasy anime. Yes.

But is his attack on Russia, average Russia and so forth, is that so much different from any other Russian Tsar were saying that. In other words, you say he said he's not dealing with people, but he needs to have a strong hand. Is that so much different from any other Russian despot? I mean, it's basically what Pushkin said as well. He said that the government in Russia is the first European. Yes. Yes. But... Well, I think it's kind of, if you think about it, like the normal stereotype of Russia was that it's like a healthy European peasantry ruled over by degenerate Asiatic despots. That's what people like Voltaire believed and so on, and Montesquieu, that's what they said about Russia. But this is kind of like the Russians kind of believed the opposite, that we had the

most civilized and that the Russian government was a civilizing force on the Russian anarchist peasantry. Yes. I remember Chekhov's story, Peasants, do you know this one? It's a great cure in any case for people who want to romanticize the Muzhik or the so-called rustic peasant life. This was very common among French aristocracy to glamorize not just the noble savage, yes, the Muzhik, the Russian peasant, but the French aristocracy glamorized not only the so-called noble savage from the New World, but also their own peasantry. Interesting enough, right before they were massacred by that, well maybe not by the peasantry, but by the urban side of it. So I don't know, I think I like the Chekhov take on it much more than, yes. Have you read the Malefactor by Chekhov?

I think it's the best depiction of what an average peasant is actually like. No, I don't know this one, no. I don't know this story. It's very good. But I recently posted some Russian musics. I often like Prokofiev or Rachmaninoff and this, and I am always informed by somebody that this was a tiny class of intellectuals that were cultivated by Peter the Great. But it's not unique to Russia, people add, that in Scandinavia also any sign of high culture comes from the state bureaucracy, because the Finns were seen in much the same way as absolute savages who slept on the bare ground and dressed in, you know, in bare fur and such. Yes, of course. I mean, if you read Gobineau, he says the same thing about the French peasantry murders. Yes. It's normal.

Like identifying a nation with like the lowest class of peasantry, that is a historical trick and no one does that. Like when you think of France, you think of like aristocrats and wigs and Voltaire and stuff and you don't think of random dirt peasant in Normandy and if you think of like an Englishman, You imagine a Victorian gentleman, you don't imagine some piss drunk, yes, or like a factory worker in Blackpool who gets drunk every night. It's normal that you identify a nation with the relief. There is nothing special about this. Yes, but in Russia itself, where theories, I mean, as Peter the Great, so much hated by the peasantries that such theories were entertained for any time in the 19th century or after that he was an imposter and so forth.

The thing about Peter is that he was hated by the old believers because he forced them and he was also hated by the Don Cossacks because he centralized them. He forced them to pay taxes, he introduced the Saul tax and there was an uprising and he killed a lot of people among the Don Cossacks, so he was very much hated there, but it was just like an objective process of centralization that happened everywhere, so it's nothing special. Yes, no, this is very interesting. Well, I had a somewhat unrelated question about Russia religion, but would you like perhaps to discuss first the problem of Stalin, or I think the Yes, I would be happy to. So basically, 90% or more of what you think you know about Stalin

is completely fake and made up and consists of completely contradictory sources. Stalin's biography is one of the most insane secrets of the 20th century, and I assume we will never find out the real truth. There are too many contradictions and too little proof of anything. His birthdate, his real name, his ethnicity, his hate, even his hair color randomly changed from source to source. The original documents have been tampered with many times. Archives have been scrapped. There are many instances of Stalin being on the record at one place, but at the same time being confirmed that he was in another place at the same time. And no one actually knows anything about his life before the Civil War. Like, if you look at his

family history he is a Georgian he's from the Caucasus and Caucasus people they have large families they have large family plants they are very close to their families but Stalin never had any contact with his family he his father supposedly died in a drunken fight when he was small his brothers supposedly died in infancy and basically the only relative he had was his mother Keke. Keke Jugashvili. But Stalin never talked to her. The last time he didn't see her for 25 years between 1904 and 1931. Not once he visited his mother. He never saw her. And he wrote like three or four letters to her which are probably also fake because Stalin couldn't write in Georgian which doesn't make sense, like he was supposedly Georgian, he went to a Georgian school,

he went to the Tiflis seminary, he was supposedly, according to his official biography, he wrote poetry in Georgian, but he didn't know Georgian, he spoke it very badly and he couldn't write in it. So it's completely unclear what his real ethnicity is. The Soviet politician or dissident Antonov of Sienkö, he was the son of a Stalinist functionary who died in the purges. So he kind of regarded Stalin as an enemy, but he he wasn't an anti-Semite by any means. So he was like in the Jewish dissident circles. And he wrote that Stalin's real name, Juga Zhuge came from an Ossetian word, Zhuge, which means Jew, and Zhuge of course means just son. It's the suffix of Georgian family names, it means son. So basically Zhuge Zhuge would mean son of the Jew.

And Unbegau, a Russian-German linguist at Oxford, he wrote a dictionary of Ossetian and in that it says that Zhuge means waste or trash or garbage. So I would assume that it was an ethnic slur for Jews in Ossetia that would make the most sense. So Juga being a pejorative term for Jews makes more sense than the literal meaning trash because you'd think that someone would have called them out for being literally called son of garbage. Like there were enough fights and polemics. But if it actually meant like a slur word for Jews, then no one would bring that up among the communists because you know stones, glass holes and but it continues so there are some hints that he may have spent some time in persia like his buddy or Johnny Kidze who is

confirmed to have spent time in persia and organized the Azerbaijani and Persian communist parties he had a very strange relationship with the imperial police services which led to some schizophrenic rumors that came up in the 1990s that he was actually a monarchist double agent. He changed his name a bunch of times. He had a bunch of families. His first marriage was to some 14-year-old girl in Siberia while in exile. Once in 1907, he supposedly fell off a horse and he spent a month wearing bandages on his face and not speaking and no one knows if that was actually the real Stalin and or maybe he was off doing something else there was also contradictory information about his right hand some say that he had some kind of like he suffered from pox

supposedly he suffered pox and supposedly his right hand didn't work properly but others don't mention it and say it worked properly. During a police interrogation in 1906, I think, he claimed that he had spent a year in Germany in Leipzig, but there was zero confirmation of this. No one saw him in Germany. He didn't come to any conferences or anything. But I think the most interesting thing is that Stalin spent a lot of time in Baku, nowadays the capital of Azerbaijan. He had intimate connections to organized crime in Baku. Basically, you know, he was robbing banks, expropriations and stuff. So Stalin was a mafioso in Baku. He was also working at a warehouse. As some listeners might know, maybe not, Baku was kind of the center of the Russian oil industry.

And there was a lot of domestic oil production and also foreign oil production. There were Dutch, French, British oil companies in Baku and Stalin worked at an oil company that belonged to the French line of the Rothschilds. And in 1905, during the revolution, the first Russian revolution as the Soviets called it, there was a series of sabotage, terrorism and arson against the oil industry in Baku. And several French and Russian refineries were burnt down, which greatly disrupted their production. But none of the British ones were hit. And this was exactly the time when Stalin was active in Baku and supposedly organizing the workers at these oil refineries. But there is zero information about what he was actually doing in the time. So you know, it's really crazy.

See what we have is that his birth year is fake. Some documents say that he was born in 1879, but others say that he was born in 1878. Some say that he was born on December 21st, other documents say that he was born on December 17th. So no one really knows. What we can derive from this is his birth year is fake, we have no reliable biographic information. Second point, he is a confirmed criminal and sexual degenerate, like he was having sex with... What do you mean, sexual degenerate? Yeah, he liked porn, yeah, go on. He liked little girls. Yes. As I said, his first marriage was to a 13-year-old girl. Yeah, I see. His family structure and his way of life is completely abnormal for a person of his ethnic and social background.

so basically I think you can say with like 95% certainty that his official biography is made up and even if you consider where he went to school like it's usually just like the funny anecdote that he was studying to be a priest in Tiflis he went to the Tiflis seminary but the Tiflis seminary wasn't just like a place where priests were educated it was basically an elite prep school. It was the most prestigious school in all of Tiflis and it was reserved for the city's elite and Stalin came from a very poor family. So there is no direct explanation how he even got into that school because they didn't have scholarships. And the official explanation is that he was the a protégé of a certain man named Philip Jordania. Yes. Philip Jordania was a relative of Noe Jordania, Noe Jordania.

And Noe Jordania, you have to understand the role of Georgian social democracy. The Georgians, they played a very special role. They were basically the largest ethnic faction in the Mensheviks. Yes. alone the fact that Stalin is a Bolshevik already doesn't make sense because it was an ethnic thing in Georgia. Georgians are Mensheviks That's just how it is. And among the Georgian Mensheviks there were two factions, one pro-German and one pro-English faction. The pro-German faction was headed by Nikolay Chryze, who had the nickname Karl, like the German name Karl. And they were supporting the Germans. They were sabotaging the army in World War One and so on. And then you heard the English faction. The head of the English faction was

Noej Zordania and it's actually quite crazy how pro-british they were. They were during the First Boer War when basically the whole civilized world was against the British who were like massacring Dutch farmers and putting them in concentration camps and so on. And Noej Zordania was writing about about how it is fantastic how the progressive British Empire is slaughtering the reactionary borers and that it would be the best thing for Georgia to come under the rule of the British crown and so on. Yes, I see. So you're saying, sorry, go on. Yes, and furthermore, so this Noël Jordania was a close relative of the guy who got started into the Tivoli Seminary. familiar with Kim Philby, supposedly a British spy who worked for the Soviets. But what is

more likely is that it was the other way around, that actually it was him running Soviet assets. In 1947, Stalin gave Kim Philby an award, the Red Star award, and he was given a gift, a painting of the Mount Ararat it was like it was crazy that like diamonds and golds and platinum and stuff and Kim Philby he was the son of a British spy in India and whenever he was asked where he got this beautiful thing from he said that he bought it in Istanbul yes and Kim Philby's closest associate and consultant in the Near East was Naoui Zordania, so it's all spy games all the way down. I was thinking about, it's maybe getting a bit sky-saw here, but I was thinking about how it's possible that Rudyard Kipling's Kim, I assume you are familiar with the novel,

that it is a description, actually a veiled description of the British spy network in the Caucasus, because if you look at the novel's plot, Kim, the boy, he is running around the mountains hunting Russian agents, but that's not intelligence work, that's counterintelligence work, because the thing is, the novel is taking place in British India, so that's counterintelligence work, and counterintelligence work consists of sitting in a cabinet and reviewing files and making phone calls and so on. It's not running around the mountains. And so and Stalin of course was a great fan of Rudyard Kipling. Like no one ever talks about this but Stalin was a great fan of Kipling. Stalin's favorite poets were Konstantin Simonov and Nikolai Tikhonov

who were hardcore Anglophiles who were basically just imitating Kipling. It's very interesting, very interesting. Yes, so you are leading toward the idea of Stalin was a British agent. Yes, yes. And there are some some crazier things. So, Stalin had several dachas around Moscow. And one of those was blown up when the Germans approached Moscow. It was just completely destroyed. It was a gift actually from some Georgian businessman who just gifted it to Stalin. But what's interesting is that there are some people who say that there was a certain strange installation in that dacha. No one knows what it was, but it's clear that Stalin didn't want the Germans to get this. And there are some people who

theorized that it was some kind of religious installation. And if you look at where the center of Stalin's life was for most of the pre-revolutionary period, it was Baku. and in Baku there is a certain thing it's called Janardak it's the burning mountain it's an eternal fire it's a it's a Zoroastrian sanctuary where they worship the fire that came from the ground it's a natural gas deposit that has been burning for thousands of years so it's uh... and also in Baku there is a thing called the Baku Atejga the fire temple of Baku which was also used as a Zoroastrian and a Hindu place of worship, because the Caucasus, of course, was the center of the Grand Trunk Road, so basically the southern arm of the Silk Road.

It connected India and Russia, basically, and there were a lot of Indians there. And I think it is possible that, I think it's the least likely version, right? But I wouldn't exclude it, that Stalin was ethnically Indian because there was a strange thing. In 1913, in February 1913, he went to a masquerade ball in Saint Petersburg and he was dressed actually as an Indian, as a Fakir and he was arrested. And also his daughter, Svetlana, she ran off to India with was an Indian man. And in her memoirs, there is a very strange sentence. She says that when she went to India and looked at the people there, she felt that they looked exactly like her father. Well, he does look Indian passively in his youth, not so much in his older age.

Well, there is no proof that that's the same person. As I said, very basic information changes about him, what people say, like his height and his hair color and his accent. His accent was not Georgian. Many people noted that. He had close Georgian associates, like Orjanikidze, for example, Jan Java, too. You might mention Beria, but Beria wasn't actually Georgian either. He was a Mingrelian Jew, which also nobody knows about, but it's mentioned by many people. For example, Pavel Sudapuatov, the Soviet super-spy, who was responsible for a bunch of assassinations on behalf, like counterintelligence during World War II, catching German spies, and so on. He was basically the Soviet Otto Skorsin. And he wrote in his

memoirs that it was kind of an open secret that Beria was drew. And everyone knew this in the Soviet intelligence community. So it's all very fucked up. Well, is this all very interesting? But let me ask you just, in all these theories, something miss in the sense of, okay, let's say if he was British agent to start with during his youth and activities in Georgia and as a revolutionary, but once he become a supreme leader of Soviet, What possible reason could he have to continue following British orders? I mean, you know, he's the boss, why would he have to follow them? Well, that's the question. Was he the boss? How much was he the boss? He's portrayed as a kind of super god-emperor-dictator, but was he that really? It's not obvious to me that he was that.

that because he did a lot of stuff that was basically mostly in the British interests. Well, but hold on. Are you saying that there were other factions in Russian government that were actually running Russia and he was a show leader or are you saying that he actually did have supreme power but that he didn't exercise it in Russia's interest or in his own interest but in Britain's interest? And if that's what you're saying, I'm asking, Why would he have to follow British orders? Why couldn't he just say, OK, you helped me impersonate this Georgian guy? Thank you very much. Now fuck off. I'll do what I want. Well, I believe he got that idea after World War II because, as you know, right before he died, he started accusing all of his closest associates who went through 30 years of purges,

who served him for three decades. He started calling all of them British spies. He started calling Molotov a British spy. He started calling Beria a British spy. And then he suddenly died alone in his dacha. And no one knows really the circumstances of how he died. So I think he might have gotten ideas after World War II like, what if I actually become Big Boss? Like, that would be pretty cool. And well, it ended how it ended. So are you saying then that the British government didn't just have him but the entire Soviet government. I mean, that would explain why. But I'm saying even before World War II, all of these theories, which say, for example, when people say the Russians are running Trump, okay, let me entertain idea. It's absurd. But let's say, okay, they helped Trump in

the 1980s or 1990s, whatever these conspiracy theories say. But once he becomes president, Why would he have to keep listening to them? He's president. He was a stape. He was very happy. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. He was a stape. even people who during the civil war were at times in members of anti-Bolshevik governments but the foreign section of the communist party that was based in London

namely people like Grashin, people like Molotov, people like Rostin, they were never touched they were never touched they could do whatever Litvinov they could do whatever Litvinov is a great example, he was actually married to a British noblewoman, he had a great palace for him built near Moscow by a British architect and nowadays the British embassy is there. They actually still have the piano from Litvinov that he gifted them and all the Bolsheviks who were connected to London, they survived all the purchase, they survived Stalin. All the other foreign sections, the Paris foreign sections, the Zurich foreign sections, the Berlin foreign section of the Bolsheviks, they were all exterminated. None of them survived,

they were all killed because they had connections to foreigners. But in the London section, no one was touched. And if you look at some details, for example, the 5th Congress of the of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party. It took place in the London church, and it was attended by future Prime Minister Ramsey McDonald, and the whole thing was bankrolled by the Jewish American British philanthropist, Joseph Fels, who was married to a Rothschild, by the way. And the cooperation between Fels and the Bolsheviks was arranged by the future chairman of the Labour Party, George Lansbury. And this was all run by Theodore Rothstein, who organized the congress he was the bolsheviks point man in london he was also he was married to the daughter of a british billionaire of a british millionaire

of a banker and he also had a very cozy banking job in london before the revolution and he was also good friends with C.P. Scott he was the editor in chief of the guardian and the liberal member of parliament and at one point uh... scott uh... convinced he called Lloyd George and asked him to stop the Scotland Yard investigation in Turosti. And he did. So, it's to me quite obvious that the... And you have to understand that these people, officially, were regarded as German agents by the Entente. Like, that was the official line, that the Bolsheviks, that Lenin is a German agent. That was the official party line. But still, they enjoyed great British patronage while in London. Yes, well, you know, to me, this sounds somewhat like a Trotskyist, yes, this is Trotskyist

smear of Stalin, I must tell you. This is, this comes from Bill Kristol and these things. No, but this very interesting theory, actually, I believe, Mollbug, who was recently on my show, would probably like this theory, you know, because, yeah, this very much what he argue is that Soviet Union was being run by the Anglo-American elite establishment and so forth, that perhaps Soviets tried to go their own way in World War II. I don't know, I don't know. Yes, it's all very interesting and we're going to talk more about it. I'm actively researching more about Stalin, but it's super hard to find something. Like the most popular modern book about Stalin. It's by Montefiore. I don't know if you read it. Simon Montefiore, he

wrote a book, I think it was called The Red Sow or something, or Young Stalin. Yes, Stalin, The Court of the Red Sow. And Montefiore is actually a very ridiculous character himself. His brother, he writes like fantasy books and another relative of him is some kind of priest who writes books about how Jesus Christ was a homosexual, and his wife is from the family of Palmer Tomkinson, a close relative who is a good friend of Prince Charles. And the Montefiore family themselves, they were Italian Jews who emigrated to London in the 18th century and they worked for the Rothschilds. So it's all quite interesting that this is basically the state of the art when it comes to studying scholarship is written by this man. And of course, Montefiore is also a great Russiagater.

Yes, well, look, I do not, at the very least, the facts of what you're saying is, you know, one could argue about the wild interpretation, but the facts speak for themselves that at the very least, a huge and influential chunk of the Anglo-American elite are red faggot bastards. And on that, we could absolutely agree, I've had plenty of shows about justice. And I think what's important to understand is that none of this is like dogma, right? Like you can only reach true ascension when you start believing in several conspiracy theories that are 100% mutually contradictory at the same time, like you will likely never have complete information about anything controversial, so you have to think in terms of like probabilities

and integrate different hypotheses, and I think it's important, like that's the difference between like normy conspiracy discourse and like our elite conspiracy discourse, that you can differentiate and think that it's possible, it's maybe not possible, who knows? Yes, simply pointing out unusual interesting facts is quite a lot, I think, but look at this segment quite long, do you both have time for, I wanted to ask you a quick question about Russia, Christianity, religion. If you have one more time segment, we can come back. Sure, I'm in no rush. Very good. Well, let's come back for a final segment and now time for smoke breaks and very good. We come back. Back to show is coming to be quite long show and we have a phone call from Putler himself.

He say we're going on for too long and, uh, pig dog, you have a particular theory about putler. There's a some rumor going on Russia now. So let's finish the imposter segment with some lighthearted phone, a conspiracy theories on modern presidents of Russian Federation I remember when in 2008 Dmitry Medvedev became a president my grandma called and whispered I heard that his real name is Aron Mendel and hung up but Medvedev generally was so boring that there is no continuation of such stories so I once was reading a website with crazy theories about Vladimir Putin about his army of clones and other strange things. And I came across one story that looked suddenly plausible. In the early auteus, journalists arrived in Putin's ancestral village

and they started asking locals, presidents who lived there so isolated that all their faces looked like Putin's, exactly like him. Just imagine that. They were asked about the relatives of the new president all the villagers began to give a same story about Putin's father also Vladimir who was a violent village boy and he came to woo Putin's mother she didn't open the door she was she locked the gate so he took out a slingshot and started shooting stones at her through the fence And he accidentally knocked out her eye, therefore he had to marry her in order not to offend the relatives. So at first I didn't believe it, it's kind of strange. But I looked at photos of Putin's mom and she really always hid her right eye. She was photographed only in profile.

She was shy of the glass eyes, so she didn't take any front piece. yes so that's a plausible theory actually but now the ancestral village of Putin is completely dead there's nothing there but Putin built a whole presidential complex not far from it yes so the next story will be a bit more crazy Putin clones if I may if I may interrupt you or he is half Finnish It's the Kef Udmurt. No, no, no. The actual butler is like, I heard that he is part of the ESP or something, like some Finno-Ugrian ethnicity that lives in the Western age of Russia. Is it his mother or his father who is Finn? Who is Finnish? One of them. I heard it's not, this is not controversial. I think his father. I think his father. Look, he is judging by the story, where Vladimir shot the mother of Putin with stones.

Yeah, I think this is a typical thing you would think. He hated Russians so much, he wanted to destroy them. I'm just going to interject with a little fun fact I will not elaborate on, but it is a confirmed fact and Putin talked about it himself. His grandfather worked as a personal cook for both Lenin and Stalin. Oh, I see. Well, I hear some more. If his grandfather worked as a personal cook for Lenin and Stalin, his parents would probably never leave in this ancestral village. Well, that's the official information. Spiridon Putin was his name. Kind of strange, right? That he was such an elite cook and his kids were bombs in the village. Yes. Interesting. Nevertheless, yes, another theory about Putin is that he has clones.

You need to look up the pictures to imagine what I'm talking about. Yes. There are at least seven. Just Google, like, seven clones of Putin. Yes. So there was an original Putin. He had lively eyebrows, almond-shaped eyes, charming fault under the eyes. He died or was killed behind the scenes in the late 90s. Then came the talker, a master of voicing an audio prompter at the annual direct line. He first appeared around the return of Crimea. That's strange timing. Who was the clerk between that? But okay, Udmurt Putin, the most unsuccessful of the fakes, a backup player when the talker makes a break. Kuchima Putin, he is only needed when Udmurt is scared to perform. A record-breaking plumb chin, remembered by uncontrollably tweaking his legs.

There is also a diplomat Putin, stands at the briefing, listens to the translation in the headphones and reads the text. Notable for youthful look. There is also the most popular Putin of them all. The ballroom Putin. The most sociable of them all. But when it's necessary he can drink, say toast, and have a great time. Usually used for reports with handshakes and photos of the family. And the last Putin was discontinued. A drunkard. An unsuccessful model. rejected after a successful debut in October 2010. So countless lists of this type circulate the Russian internet for the last decade. And I believe a couple of millions, for sure, Russians believe that it's true. Every time a new wrinkle appears on Putin's face, well,

that's a new clone. Oudmer clone, for example, was created when Putin filled his cheeks with We have to post a photograph of this, the different ones, so people can see this, you know. Yes, I have sent you, but… Yes, yes. Yes, I will post this. No, this… And people in Russia believe this, I mean, it's plausible he has doubles at least. Yeah, yeah, sure he has doubles, like every other leader, but this factory of specific Putlers who do handshakes or they talk or they drink, it's funny. Yes. Yes, no, and he grew up worshipping trees like the Mari, that is true? The Cheremys? I don't know. I have heard this. Do you, have you ever seen these people in Russia, they worship trees, is true? The Cheremys? Yeah. He likes nature, yes. He spends time either in Valdai or in some area in Siberia.

Because I don't want to offend you, you know, as I know Rasputin. That's it for imposters, there is no more context. Yeah, because Rasputin could be an imposter. I mean, actually, Rasputin himself was kind of an imposter in a way. But I'm going to expand on that. Ask your question and I'm going to talk about that. Yes, I heard he was a grand wizard, but what I mean really is that There is a sect in Russia called the Khlyste who are similar to, I discussed them briefly in my book and from time to time on this show, they are similar to the ancient Gnostic Karpokratians and to the Jewish sect of the Frankists. All of these three believe in salvation through sin. They think for various interesting reasons that the only way to paradise is to commit

sin and even atrocity and even to their particular succession of sins you have to commit in order to get the keys to paradise and so forth. And the Khlisti in particular in Russia, they were always organized with one charismatic man, a guru, surrounded by main ads, by women who were driven into a wild frenzy by his ecstatic speeches and ability to drive them into a trance. And some people say that this is ancient gnostic roots, while other people say that they picked up practices from shamanic peoples in Siberia and so forth. But I think the Gnostic connection, if this is so, is stronger because this is indisputable, it's not a conspiracy, that the oldest versions of Bibles in Russia and Old Slavonic and so

forth, they are very heavy with Gnostic interpolations, they are not really just texts of the New Testament, but they have quite long passages from Gnostic fairy tales and such. Who puts them there, how were they introduced, are you interested at all in these theories and do these currents, now after the end of communism, have there been rebirths of these strange gnostic evangelical sects that also used to exist the scoptsy, right, and they used to practice self-castration and there were the Duchobors who used to be nudists. Do you know anything about this? This interests me greatly. Yes, I actually made an episode on this. It was called Muzhik's Gun Wild, where I talk about the Judaizers, the Hushti, and the Skoptsi.

Basically your Gnostic theory, it's quite interesting, it was more or less the official position of the Russian government, because there are in Russian academia four theories where the Hushti come from. The first one is that it's kind of Western, Protestant, Masonic influence, which I think it's not very likely. Second one is that the huisti are kind of autochthonous Russian phenomenon that is kind of connected to Slavic paganism. The third one is that it's kind of a radicalization of old believers. And the fourth one, which was espoused by Pavel Melnykov-Pechersky, who worked in the Ministry of the Interior of the Russian Empire, and who was, basically his job was to eliminate sects, like the Khusti and the more radical old believers.

And he believed that the Huisti were a direct continuation of early Boco Mill influence. And the Boco Mills, as you know, are themselves kind of, there is a genealogy from Manichean and Gnostic sects there. So that was basically believed by the government organs who persecuted the Huisti, that they were descendants of the Boco Mills. So it's not unlikely, I believe. Yes. it's very interesting and I mean are there any continuations now or revivals of this kind of thing? There are some Molokans, I believe, that are closer to the Protestants. Yes, there are actually, there is information not about the Khusti, the Khusti I think more or less died out in the latest, in the early, like in the late 19th, early 20th century, but some

Scopzi enclaves actually survived. A Soviet academic, Klybanov, he discovered a Scopzi community in Tambov and in Rostov, who were, well, actually engaging in all the Scopzi practices, including self-castration. And in the In the 90s there were some in Latvia and in the Caucasus that were hiding. Interesting how they multiply. Well, through indoctrination. Such a self-defeating set. Yes, that's true. It's very interesting. Anti-Mormons in that sense. Yes, but also you mentioned the Bogomils. They look at the Cathars in Europe and in France, and they were not just in France, but in North Italy and Rhineland and so forth, and they spread very much, and the Dominican order was invented to stop this heresy, and then of course there was the Albigensian Crusade that destroyed them.

But some people ask where they come from, and Runciman has interesting books that also talk about the Russian offshoots, but he say this was actually just continuation of Gnostic sects that had survived continuously since early primitive Christianity, and they had propagated themselves in Europe despite the domination of the Catholic Church, but they They continued with very old rites, such as, you know, initiation by putting the open gospel on the forehead, on the Gospel of John, and repeating it 17 times. And this always interested me how things could continue. Now this was, you know, they could continue for a thousand years, basically. And this brings up the question of if there is an ethnic basis, I mean, do these things

just propagate themselves ideologically or through indoctrination or was there, you know, an ethnic core that propagated them? I think it's probably both. I'm actually not sure about the ethnic thing because, well, at least if you accept the theory that kagos are descendants of the kasars, which is just one of the theories, but if you accept this. Well, before we introduce that for the audience, because most have never heard of kaggots. Yes, I think you have talked about, I think you have talked about, you had episodes on kaggots, or you talked about them. I mentioned them, but we'll introduce them in a second, yes, yes. Well, say what you were going to say about the ethnic places theory. Yes, I was going to say that if you accept the theory that kaggots are descendants of

cutters, then there is, that would be kind of a clue that there is no ethnic base. Because all the DNA studies that have been done on kaggot families have shown that they are 100% identical to the other French people who live around there. Yes, but I have to tell you, I don't really trust most of these genetic studies done especially at this micro level on European populations because they cannot even tell, let's say Roman colonization patterns in Europe by genetic study. So there are major historical events, the spread of romance languages, for example, that for one reason or another, that could be a show on its own, but present genetic studies are actually sometimes badly carried out. They refused to study certain populations and certain families.

But look, it's without a doubt that there is some ethnic basis to it because Bosnia was a paterine, which is a bogomil, which is agnostic stronghold, the same sect, and then they converted to Islam. And so there are particular reasons why Bosnia in particular was, let's say, attracted to schismatic ideas. And the reasons are probably not biological, they're political, but that's still an ethnic basis. In any case, you brought up the kaggots just very quickly. I know you have some theories about them. I want to tell the audience, kaggots are a population in France, which are basically pariahs. They are seen as almost as untouchables. They are stigmatized or were historically. And there are many theories about their origins because, as my friend Kirill just said now,

yes, when you look at, you know, they don't look different from other French. They seem and know in their habits and so forth not to be different, but they're kaggarts. Where do they come from? And there are various theories. Some say that they were descendants of Cathars, who were again this gnostic, schismatic sect. But I think their origin, the origin of this Cagat Pariah clash in France is prior to that. And so the most, I hope I'm not giving the game away Kirill, if this is your theory, But the most advanced theory I heard is that they were Christian, they were early Christians, the earliest Christians in fact, who were deemed pariahs by the pagans around them. And then when the rest of the population converted to Christianity, however, the outcast status

of this group nevertheless remained. You know, they were sort of the Christians 1.0, the early adopters, but because of that they were called pariahs and that onus, that taboo status kept going even after the rest of the population converted to Christianity. I don't know if you believe that. What do you think? I broadly agree. I broadly agree with this. The one thing is that I don't believe that the pagans who discriminated and turned the the kaggots into a pariah case were like Celtic or Roman pagans, because that wouldn't make much sense. But I think that would take way too long to explain. But one thing I wanted to say is that I believe that the theory that the kaggots are descendants of Cathars was

actually an act of mercy and humanism by the Catholic Church, because the hereditary stain of heresy only stays for four generations. So there is this kind of anathema, genetic anathema against kathars, but it stays only for four generations, while the kaggots were discriminated against for a thousand years. And saying that basically they are clean after four generations is kind of an act of mercy, because they were very pious Christians, despite the fact that they even had to use, they had their own doors for the church, they weren't allowed through the main entrance and they still were very religious, very pious. Yes, this is very interesting, but look, you cannot leave it at that. Now my curiosity is very aroused. What do you mean that the pagans who deemed them

outcasts were not Celtic or Roman pagans? What do you think they were? So you mentioned in an episode, you talked about this, about how there is a theory that that quite possibly an Eastern religion established itself among the Europe, among the Germanic people, among the France, the proto-France and so on. And I think it's connected to that because but we would have to go deeper into like the origins of Islam and stuff because I believe that it was one half of what would later become Islam which is connected to how basically how the difference what made me uh... think about this is the difference how byzantine's and the spanish viewed early islam because in the east there was basically no discussion about what islam is everyone knew it was a christian heresy

that was the that was the byzantine position everyone knew that but in spain like if you look at that uh... chancell the role on uh... the the song of roland uh... which describes uh... the Muslims as pagans who worship like Apollo and Thermagand and what so on and these seem to me very different things that were only united later yes no this is very interesting yes but that will take a long time maybe we do maybe i can visit yes i can visit you on another episode and we can talk about yes this is another topic all together but look Look, it's been quite a long show, I don't mean to keep you, and here it is dawn already and I must go to sleep soon, but look, very good, it was a pleasure having you on the

show, please give my regard to Putler and tell him that my order of Red Iqra Khabarovskaya is late, I am waiting still, and I hope to have both of you on show soon. Thank you, Bob, for inviting us. If you liked this interview, go check out RW content. Yes. A lot of great stuff. Yes, subscribe to their show, Russian with Attitude podcast. I will list it. Yes, thank you for inviting us. I always enjoy sprugging out on your show. And I'm looking forward to next time when we can go even deeper and talk about like Daco Hellenism and Haitian Freemasonry and the true origins of Islam that will be fun Yes, we will have Sputnik out extravaganza next time. Very good. Well until next time then Hail Tuttler and very good. Talk to you soon. Bab out