Welcome to Caridian Risms, episode 101. I'm honored to have as guest on show today Bishop Richard Williamson, a man I have long admired, a man of God, a shepherd of the faithful, a champion of conviction. I consider him a defender of his faith and I have long enjoyed his commentaries on history, on history of the church and on our current enemies, which many of you know as global homo, but it go under many names, New World Order, many other such thing. In any case, I'm honored to have you on show today, Bishop Richard Williamson, welcome on the show. Thank you very much. Bishop, many of my audience already know some of your commentaries. We have watched your videos and read some of your things, but many others do not know. Would you like to introduce to audience some of your background,

some of how it led to theological development of your ideas and in so doing perhaps gives them a current view of the state of church in the recent decades? Well, in brief, I was born 81 years ago, so I'm an old man. I was not born Catholic, But when I was in my early 20s, I think it is, well, the Lord God was surely preparing me from quite young. I didn't realize it. When I was young, I called myself an atheist. When I was in my early teens, I called myself an atheist. And that's what I call myself until my early 30s, when I, well, mid-20s, let's say, I began turning to God, because he gave me to see that the modern world on the wrong track. I don't know how, I didn't know how or why, but I could see that it was

in trouble. That was surely a gift of God. And he was preparing me to convert, I think it was age 31, and I converted to the old-fashioned Catholicism because the new-fangled Catholicism of Vatican II seemed to me more of the problem and not the solution. Whereas the old Catholicism seemed to me the solution and I talked to several Catholic priests in my late 20s and they were all very kind to me and eventually an Irish priest pushed me into the swimming pool. I was standing on the edge admiring the water and I was thinking yes it would be loved to do a swim there but I wasn't going to jump in by myself because the Englishmen don't jump into strange pools but here it was these Irishmen pushed me in and that was it. I was a Catholic, I became

I'm a Catholic, and inside the church, I still met some fine people, but they didn't seem to me to have the answer. So I made my way, well, God made my way, that's the only way to put it, God made my way towards Archbishop Lefebvre, and when I ran into Archbishop Lefebvre, I thought, this is the answer. Here is a man of God who is telling the truth and sticking to the truth, and who's got the modern world nailed, so to speak. He understood the modern world as only a Catholic, a true Catholic can, and that's why I stayed with the archbishop, and I entered his seminary. It seemed as though I had a vocation, and sure enough, I certainly seemed to have had a vocation and I entered his vocation at the end of 1972. I was ordained a priest by him in 1976.

I was working from early on in his seminaries. I spent tens of years in four of his seminaries all over the world and eventually in 1988 he consecrated me a bishop which was against the will of the Church, against the will of the Pope, but it was again, again, the Archbishop was right and the modern world was wrong and the modern Pope was wrong. And since then I've been, I was a bishop for many years, I was a bishop in his society, which was the Society of St. Pius X, as it was called, and he called it St. Pius X. He devoted his society to St. Pius X because St. Pius X, Pope from 1903 to 1914, was another of these anti-modern world heroes. Well, they're not primarily anti-modern world, they're primarily pro-God, and that means they're against this godless modern world,

like the Archbishop himself was, but he was a very charismatic and positive, sweet character, so he did not spend all his time bellyaching or complaining about the modern world. He was, instead, promoting the social kingship of Christ the King. In other words, telling modern society, and not just modern individuals, modern society that it's on the wrong track, that he must get back to Christ the King. And it was to admit that Christ is King over society. That's the meaning of the kingship of Christ. And he was promoting the kingship of Christ all the time, simply because what this modern world lacks is God, and what it lacks, more precisely, is the second person of the Holy Trinity and His Church, in other words, our Lord Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church.

And I found myself serving the society until they too threw me out in around 2012, 2013. So okay, from then on, I've been sort of on my own, but how can I say, with a number of friends also and colleagues also either thrown out of the society or leaving the society because his own society began a few years after his death in 1991 to make sheep's eyes to roam once more and there were secret contacts and then discrete contacts and finally public contacts and it was clear that the society was wanting to get back in with modern modern modernist Rome and that's when they threw me out. So okay, since then I've stood for what I consider to be the true line of Archbishop Lefebvre and I have as companions not organized or structured

a number of priests, ex-priests, a small number of ex-priests of the society who think the same way. They're my companions, they are not my subjects. So there I am. Yes, no, this is very interesting, and would you mind explaining for the audience, because many of us know about Vatican II, but I've had people ask me what exactly are the complaints against Vatican II. We all know they sideline some traditional forms, such as Latin Mass, but But besides this, what is the problem with the Catholic Church, you think, since the Vatican II? The problem is that the Church, instead of resisting the modern, man-centered, godless world, began to go along under pressure from that world and infiltration by the ideas of that world. the Church of God has been turning against God and is turning to man.

Like the modern world, the modern Church wants to put man in the place of God. That sums it up in one sentence. Yes, I have a Catholic friend who mentioned the abandonment of Catholic pomp and majesty and mystery in its rites. He mentioned a name, forgive if this is wrong, I do not know church history even the recent very well. He mentioned the name Boudini or Bognini, I do not know how to pronounce as a man who made some of these bad reforms. And recently there is a declaration by this, you will forgive me, I call him the so-called Pope in the Argentinian bouncer, Pope Francis, who decides to slowly, there was a recent declaration knows that he say that Latin mass should be sidelined. And I heard the recent rumor that it is not just SSPX, but again, forgive if I wrong,

there is another organization that was created by Catholic church to rival SSPX, is it called SSSP or something? but that they too, under this pope, will no longer be allowed to ordain priests. This is a rumor I've heard from some Catholic friends. I don't know if it's true. But this sidelining of the majesty and mystery of a Catholic right, is that part of the center, or is it also the moral teachings of the church you think have become corrupted? It's a whole can of worms, I think Americans would say. It's a whole can of worms. Most Catholics live their faith through attending mass on Sunday. Therefore, if you change the mass, you are directly affecting masses and huge numbers of Catholics, because you're changing the religion under their nose, so to speak. they go to Mass on Sunday,

and they find something completely different from what they were used to. It was a man-centered religion by the man that you mention, his name is Bognini, an Italian who wrote the New Mass to suit modern man. So the language was changed, for instance, the two most obvious symptoms are one, the dignity and majesty, as you say, of the Latin language was abandoned, and the worship of God was turned into the language of television, which is common or garden, vulgar, vernacular, which is a name, which is a word meaning the local language as opposed to the Latin language, English or French or German or Swahili or Australian or whatever. The church was immediately fragmented between the multiple languages of the world, and it came down to the level of the television, the television set.

So, the mass was brought down from the heights of God to the lowness of modern man. That said, the language was one example, and another classic and very simple example, the priest saying mass, instead of facing the altar and facing God, now faces the congregation. Hello folks, my name is Joe. You don't need to call me Father Joe, just call me Joe. We're going to have today a Eucharistic picnic. Okay, we're going to begin with a happy clappy session. Okay, let's everybody get clapping. And so that's the level to which often the mass is brought down in order to please people. It doesn't please them for very long. It does not give them God. And masses of Catholics left the Catholic religion and became Protestants of one kind or another instead. Yes. No, this, and if I may interject,

even an atheist, a secular philosopher like Schopenhauer, he realized Latin language was a unifying principle and also a superior mode of communication. He called the modern European languages patois dialects compared to the Latin language, which he hoped to be a common language, again, of philosophy and science. Europe, that never happened, but the Church was the last hold of this language into modern Europe, and from my point of view is also tragedy, this abandonment of Latin. Bishop, Your Excellency, I wanted to ask you in closing first segment, many of my listeners, as I say, are traditionalist Catholics, some are your fans, others are SSPX fans, others do not want completely to abandon the Pope, they want to be in good standing or whatever.

I was asked by many of them, how do they endure this, how do they endure a corrupt church? And more broadly, if you have a message for my listeners who are not religious, but who are perhaps in the same position you say you were in your 20s, where they are disgusted by this so-called modern world, which goes under, again, many names, global homo seemed to be a good name for it, but they are disgusted by this. How do they endure? How do they spiritually hold strong against this world? Do you have any historical errors that could be guides for going in future? For Catholics who should know the rosary, I think the best thing they can do if they've not prayed the rosary for a long time is pick up the rosary again and pray either five mysteries or better even 15 mysteries every day.

The rosary is a great weapon for these times. It has always been a great weapon for the defense of the church. It's a classic devotion to the mother of God, the Blessed Mother of God, Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary. She is the closest human being that has ever been close to Our Lord. She's by far the closest. She carried Him in her womb for nine months. She brought Him up as a child. She set Him on His way when He was aged 30 for His three-year ministry before He was crucified. She was there at the cross when He was crucified. The Holy Rosary is 15 mysteries which relate this story. And so every time you recite the rosary, you are reminding yourself of the basic story of our Lord and our Lady together, combining to save souls if they want to be saved.

Therefore, let Catholics who know the rosary pick up the rosary again. Let non-Catholics, I would say, make the acquaintance of our Lady through praying the rosary. Let them buy a rosary. They're not necessarily very expensive at all. Let them buy a rosary and go to a Catholic friend and ask how to pray the rosary. With luck, he's got a simple prayer book which will explain. And then let them start praying the rosary. Even if they don't know the mother of God, even if they don't know our Lord, let them pray the rosary and our Lord and our Lady will get through to them. If they're looking for Our Lord and Our Lady, Our Lord and Our Lady will allow themselves to be found. And that's always been so with God. God is good to those who seek Him, says Scripture,

and He will allow Himself to be found. Seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened to you, says Our Lord. And therefore, those who, the honest souls, who don't like this godless world, are by instinct, whether they know it or not, very possibly looking for the God who is the essence of what is missing in this godless world. This world almost defines itself by its refusal of God. It wants to be godless, it means to be godless, and it's because it's godless that it's in the terrible trouble that it is. Therefore, let souls who don't like the trouble that's going on, who don't like everything they feel going on around them, let them turn to God. They may not know him, But if they seek him, they will find him. So, my answer is, go to a little Catholic store,

if you've got one nearby, a Catholic shop, buy a rosary and start praying. You start using it to pray through Our Lady to God. Our Lady is not God. She's the mother of God. She's, as I say, the closest human being that has ever got close to God, because of her unique motherhood. But she is not God, and Catholics do not take her to be God, but they do take her as the safest way of going to God. I give you a comparison. Yes. You have a jerrycan, and you've got a hose, a petrol hose, which is a bit too big for the mouth of the jerrycan, so that if you try using the hose to go into the jerrycan, the petrol is going to splash all over the place. But if you have a funnel, then every drop coming out of the hose will go straight into the can.

The funnel of our Lord, in a manner of speaking, is just a comparison. It's a down-to-earth comparison, but that's one that people can understand, like the parables of our Lord. If you go through the mother of God, every drop of goodwill and prayer will reach our Lord. Yes. Bishop, thank you so much. This message, I sure will, I do not have huge audience, but there are many very intelligent people and I am told some influential people so forth, and I am grateful you come spread this message to them. Would you like to take a break before we come back and talk some recent polemical matter that some that you were involved in and so forth and some that are of interest to audience. Is this okay? We take a break now. Over to you. Very good. Let us take quick break. We will be right back. Okay.

This controversial matter, let's just get right to it. Bishop, your excellency, you have been viciously attacked in my opinion and not just by media and governments, but also by the Catholic church because of your opinions on a certain historical matter, which from objective point of view should simply be a matter of historical debate and interpretation. But as it stands, it's become a huge taboo for modern society. I have frequently criticized the main understanding, too, of the so-called Holocaust. I have a show on a man called Ernst Nolte who does not deny that Jews and others were killed, but he denies the historical so-called uniqueness this event, and he denies completely the way it is interpreted in this mythological or

religious fashion today, which I find to be a parody of Christianity. I do not know how completely you agree with this. I've watched your talks on this matter. Would you care to comment on this controversy, how it happened to you, and your opinions on this? Holocaustianity is the problem. But when one says Holocaustianity, one is saying that the doctrine that six million Jews were deliberately gassed under the Third Reich by a policy of extermination, that doctrine is historically false. It may be emotionally true, but then you have to clearly distinguish between emotional truth and historical truth. The Holocaust may, for certain people, be emotionally true, but that doesn't mean to say it's historically true.

I have strong emotions about it, and I really feel, I feel that this really happened under the Third Reich, and that the German people are guilty of an incredible crime against the Jewish people. Those are my emotions, especially, of course, the emotions of many Jews. The question of historical truth is a quite different question. And for that, the answer is evidence. What is, if I want the historical truth, not if I want the emotional truth. If I want the emotional truth, I go to the newspapers, I go to the schools, the colleges, the politicians, the universities, the Jews themselves, and there I will find holocaustianity, and I will have a religion, because holocaustianity gives me a religion because it imitates Christianity,

and it gives me a cross, which is the gas chambers, it gives me a redeemer, which is the Jewish people. It gives me a Calvary, which is Auschwitz. In other words, Holocaustianity is designed by its makers to be a substitute religion for Christianity. Yes. I do not need any faith. I don't have to believe in God. All I have to believe in is the Jewish people and the six million who died to redeem me. There really is a redeemer and under the religion of holocaustianity under the substitute religion of holocaustianity that redeemer is the jewish people yes okay okay if i'm looking for a substitute religion as many people are today because when you lose god you lose a great deal because the true god

is great infinitely great so when he disappears when he's kicked out when you lose him he leaves behind him a big gap and you need something big to fill that gap and for many people it's the Holocaust today that fills that gap in fact one would say I would say the Holocaust is the most popular false religion of today I say it's a false religion because there is a real God there is a real Redeemer there was a real cross and you don't need false substitutes but if you don't want the real thing then you do want a false substitute and the Jews are especially good at substitute religions simply because they were trained for a long time from Abraham to Jesus in the true religion which was then the religion of Abraham and of Moses, codified under Moses.

So the Jews were specially trained by the Lord God to be the launching ramp of the Messiah. And when the Messiah came, that they fulfilled. For instance, can you imagine any modern nation generating somebody so perfect as the Mother of God. I can't imagine it. I don't think a modern nation could generate a mother of God. But the Jewish people, thanks to their 2,000 year training from Abraham to Christ, were able to make human beings of such high quality that our Lord would have grandparents, grandparents, great-great grandparents, going back 2,000 years and that meant that our Lord, the Jewish people, succeeded in giving to our Divine Lord His launching pad, His home, His village, His mother, His foster father, His apostles. The Jews gave all of that to our Divine

Lord, so that the very purpose of the Jews was fulfilled, namely, to be the launchers of Catholicism. The Old Testament was only meant for the New Testament, and the Old Testament was for 2,000 years the true religion of the true God. Then there came the Messiah, and the Jewish people, instead of recognizing the Messiah, they crucified him. And ever since the Jewish people have been angry with our Lord Jesus Christ and they've hated him because from their point of view he took away their religion, he took away their altar, he took away their sacrifice, he took away their whatever made them what they were, he took it all away and gave it instead to the Catholics. Now for the Jews, God gave them special human qualities in order to be the launching pad of the Messiah.

But with those qualities, when the Messiah came, instead of recognizing, they crucified him. But they still had these gifts. And what happened at last was that they then made themselves the prime instruments of Satan. Because when the Jews crucified our Lord Jesus Christ, he moved in and offered them a prime place in his service instead of the service of God. And out of pride, the tremendous racial pride which had built up over 2,000 years, thanks to poor old human nature, the Jews, instead of using these great gifts that they have to devote to the true God, and to their Messiah, they devoted these gifts to the service of Satan instead. And that means that ever since our Lord Jesus Christ, they have been prime instruments of

Satan, and they have done a lot of harm to the Catholic Church, and they've done a lot of harm to the interests of God, and they've done a lot of harm to many souls. That is, I'm afraid, and part of that harm is the false religion of holocaustianity which they have generated because they are so convinced of their superiority, because they have such a tremendous scorn. Many of them have a tremendous scorn of all gentiles who they know do not have their special gifts, instead of humbling these special gifts before the true God and making themselves magnificent servants of the true God, which they would be if they gave their gifts to the service of the true God, they want to keep these gifts for themselves, they want

to make themselves admired, adored, the center of the world, and that's why they generate false religions like Islam, like communism, like Freemasonry, like holocaustianity. Yes, no this is very interesting and for those who doubt this, first of all there are many details that we could get into that show the truth that holocaustianity is meant to be a replacement religion or as I think even a parody, I call it a parody of Christianity, Bishop, because the Christian Redeemer offers people salvation and some kind of solace, whereas this religion of Holocaust Christianity offers no solace and no hope. It is simply a religion of guilt with no redemption. I know they call themselves the Redeemers, but they offer no solace and no

eternal life. It's simply a giant guilt trip. But for those who may doubt this, a small example can be seen in Elie Wiesel, who is one of the prime creators of this mythology. And in his first edition, I think, or book about Auschwitz, the illustration on the cover is meant to mimic images of the crucifixion. It is an outrageous attack, I think, and I want to ask you later on a show about this problem, but there are many who style themselves traditionalist Catholics in the United States who are not, who are integralists, who are part of the Washington DC intellectual Catholic circuit, and these people just love to attack people like me, who I'm a very actually small account on the internet or my friends they call us pagans and Nietzscheans as if we are a

great threat but meanwhile they never have the bravery that you do to attack this taboo and this idol of our time and which at the very least this idea Holocaust is a pagan idol of some type they never attack it. I don't know if you want to comment on that. I also wanted to ask you why Why did church Vatican II, since you brought up a history of the Jews, why did church after Vatican II abandon its mission of offering conversion to the Jews and so forth, of pursuing this? I heard that they stopped pursuing conversion of the Jews. I don't know if this is true. It is true, because the Jews do not consider themselves in need of any redemption. They are Jews, therefore they belong to a superior race which doesn't need help from any god.

They are their own redeemer and they need nothing from the underrace of all of the gentiles, the rest of the world. They have infiltrated the mines through the newspapers, through the universities, through infiltrating the summaries and the minds of some of the leaders of the Church, they have succeeded in, you might say, you might say they have Judaised the Catholic Church. The Catholics have allowed themselves to be persuaded that the Jews really are not in need of redemption, that the Catholic Church was not made for them, of course it was, starting with the 12 apostles and the conversion of the whole of the rest of the human race. And the 12 apostles were all Jews, and they did a magnificent job of planting the true religion of the true God all over the world.

So for 2,000 years, the Catholic Church maintained that position, that the Jews are just as much in need of redemption as any other people, that the Jews should not be persecuted, they should not be hated, they should be loved, and they should be brought to our Lord Jesus Christ and to the love of the true God. But that puts them in an inferior light as though they need lessons from the Gentiles because there aren't many Jews still teaching inside the Catholic Church. There are some, and some of them are magnificent with their gifts, but there are many who don't believe that the Jews need converting. They resent the very idea that they need converting. They resent the Gentiles, the inferior, automatically inferior and more or less despicable Gentiles

having any lesson to teach them, and therefore they reject the Catholic teaching and they succeed with their cleverness and with their astuteness and with their gifts. The Vatican, they succeeded in infiltrating the Church and persuading the Church that they should change its doctrine on the Jews, which the Church did, to a certain extent, enough for the Jews to feel that they had made a difference. And indeed, there are many Catholics themselves who have now a completely different view of poor Jews from what the church always had in the past. And that's very sad because the Jews will have, from Vatican II onwards, they will have nobody still trying to tell them the truth about what they need to do in order to achieve to get to paradise. And so it's very likely that many

Many Jews, many fewer Jews will reach paradise even than used to before. Yes. No, this is a very interesting topic. I think the way you put it about infiltrating the church and persuading, correct me if I'm wrong, again, I am not expert church history, but the Inquisition was initially founded to combat the Albigensian or Cathar heresy with the Dominican order. And then in Spain, I like to challenge ideas that, oh, it was just oppressing regular people. In fact, as I understand it, the Inquisition in Spain never really attacked regular or investigated just normal everyday people who had converted to Catholicism. It was active because the church in Spain, as far as I know, had been infiltrated by quote-unquote converted Jews who were not really converted.

Yes, they were trying to modulate the church teachings and this is why the inquisition was active there. Is this correct? That's right. The Marranos, false converts, Jews who pretended to be Catholic, behaved as though they were Catholic, looked as though they were Catholic, but were not in fact Catholic. And it took some clever churchmen, in particular the Dominicans, notice the Dominicans were also the order of the church, which received the rosary from Our Lady, and which with the help of the rosary, overcame the Albigensian heresy. So the rosary is needed again in our own times to overcome what we might call the Jewish heresy. which is modernism. We might call it that, but the truth of the matter is Luther was not a Jew, Rousseau was not a Jew, Voltaire was not a Jew.

So the worst enemies of God are not actually necessarily Jews. The worst enemies of the God are bad Catholics. So don't let's blame the Jews for everything because they're not to blame for everything. But they do carry a serious responsibility for having helped to infiltrate and corrupt the Catholic Church. Yes, now this is very interesting. I wish we could continue more, perhaps next time. In closing on this segment, I wanted to ask you, do you know the work of John Murray Cudahy, the book, Ordeal of Civility? I frequently recommended before this, there are many similarities to some of the things you say, Marxism, Freudianism, as you could say, neo-religions are meant to... The Jews, Marx and Freud were both Jews. Marx was the son of a rabbi.

Both of them were serious enemies of Christianity. And in effect, their fruits were a serious attack. Each of them made a serious attack upon Christianity and different in their different ages, different times, Marx in the 19th century, Freud in the 20th century. But notice again, also a serious enemy of church in modern times is Charles Darwin, who was not Jewish as I know. So the Jews are not the only villains, nor necessarily the worst. The worst villains are bad Catholics who have known the truth and have turned against the truth. and they've been given the faith, very possibly at some time, they did truly believe, but they've stopped believing, and they are worse enemies than the Jews, who have never believed, who've never been given the grace, and have never believed.

Yes, regarding this is very important topic to me, because I wanted to ask you on next segment about the political misuse, the political abuse of Catholicism in America. But what you say, we take a quick break, and we come right back. sure you come back when you like very good thank you we come right back this is the show and we are here with bishop richard williamson uh bishop i wanted to ask you in uh about political abuse and misuse of catholicism in america or europe if you would care to comment on this i know in the past you have said that there is uh this kind of misuse or corruption of catholicism is satanic. I believe you have said that. I have seen some of your talks about this, but I am a concern in particular. I don't know if you know about them. There's no reason you

should because their intellectual output is very low. They style themselves intellectuals and thinkers, but it's I think very low output people like Adrian Vermula or Russ Dowsett who who write for New York Times. And as they are all, almost all of them are recent converts from Protestantism, which I suppose would be fine except now they style themselves immediately leaders of Catholic thought in America. And they seem to start primarily for mass immigration into the United States from the third world and not always just the Latin America world You could at least conceivably say well the people in South America are Catholics and so forth But even from Africa and so on and they say if you oppose that you are a bad Christian. You are anti-catholic You are racist. I

Find this absurd, but I want to ask you what you make of Generally the political misuse of Catholicism and this in particular what I said right now Well, I agree with you. Firstly. I have a very low regard for intellectuals You may know or not know of a quote of our Lord Jesus Christ who says, it's in the Gospel, I thank you Father, he's talking to his heavenly Father, and he says I thank you Father for hiding these things, meaning truths, truths of the true faith. I thank you for hiding these things from the high and mighty, I'm sorry that I can't remember our Lord's exact expression, and I thank you for revealing them to the simple and the lowly. The simple souls were not complicated, and above all, were not proud. Easily most intellectuals are proud.

And Almighty God can get on with all kinds of sins and failings, but he cannot get on with pride, because pride is exactly the rearing up of creatures against the Creator. Pride is the greatest of sins, it's the most serious of sins, and it absolutely blinds people who suffer from it so that they can't see in what a poor condition they are. And that, I'm afraid, is the rule for many modern intellectuals. They can't see how poor they are and what nothings they are in front of their creator. So they are blind. And their blindness, according to what you tell me, extends to their using or bending the true religion of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is for the salvation of souls, to the salvation of supposedly, the supposed salvation of this world.

In other words, we're going to arrange human affairs by bringing in a whole lot of people from the third world. That is absolute nonsense. true the church always sent missionaries all over the world to all parts of the world where there are non Europeans but very often those missionaries were Europeans because the Europeans have a special character and a special mission and a special duty duty not just but duty from God to spread the gospel going teach all nations says our Lord just before he goes up ascends to heaven and therefore the church has a mission to give to the world not truths of politics but truths of salvation so that souls could be saved for eternity and our Lord says also seek ye first the kingdom of God and his justice and all these things

will be added on to you that's a quote of our Lord seek ye first the kingdom of god pursue the interests of god and you will arrange all the political problems whatever political problems will supposedly be solved by immigration will not be solved by immigration because many of the immigrants have a deep resentment against the against Europeans let's say for instance and um they will come with that resentment and they won't lose their resentment when they come and live amongst Europeans, on the contrary. So, you will not solve the problem of hatred of Europeans, or hatred for Europeans, by bringing in a lot of the third world. You will simply exaggerate the problem. Whereas if you send missionaries, missionaries from Europe, to these lands like they used to be sent to South America,

all of South America, all of Central America, They were made into Catholic nations by devoted Catholic missionaries, many directly from Spain. And this is very politically incorrect, but it's true. When the great patron of the missions, one of the Church's patron missions, Saint Francis Xavier, was performing missions all over the Far East, India, the Philippines, Japan, China. when he was missioning all over Europe, he wrote back to Saint Ignatius in Europe and he said, please send me some more priests and send me European priests. This is European prejudice on the part of a great saint because the great saint was not concerned with human politics, he was concerned with the interests of God and he was concerned with

themselves being saved in the Far East, who would not otherwise be able to get to heaven. And for that purpose, he wanted European priests, because his experience, not in Britain's, his experience was that the European priests would be the best. I mean, you know, that's a testimony. It's not politically correct today. But today, the modern world has got so many things completely wrong. And political correctness is a plague. It's a stupidity. If it's politically correct, it's almost bound to be stupid. In what good sense, you've got to go for what's politically incorrect, not for what's politically correct. Pay no attention to the miserable modern world whenever it contradicts what people always, always used to do and to think, because they're

almost sure to be wrong. The modern age is blind because it's proud. The modern age wants to dethrone God, and he wants to put man in his place, whereas Archbishop Lefebvre, a great man of God in the 20th century, one of the greatest men of God in the 20th century, Archbishop Lefebvre wanted to bring back the kingship of Christ, not the kingship of men, seeking first the interests of heaven, and all the rest will be added onto you, including economics and politics and the religious answers of our Lord Jesus Christ and of the Catholic Church are the true solution because the essential problem of man is sin. Sin is against God. If you don't believe in God, how can you believe in sin? If you don't believe in sin, how can you see the main problem of man?

You're blind because you're proud and therefore modern man is blind and proud. He's intellectual, he thinks he's intellectual, and he is, as they say in French, as stupid as his feet. Yes. Yes. No, this completes the truth, and you called it Holocaustianity, I think this good description of the modern state religion, I would call it the state religion, and its cousin or twin actually is anti-racism, which I consider to be another taboo idol of our times, and no one is allowed to question. But these particular so-called Catholic intellectuals, they want to claim that all of Catholicism is about just this. In other words, that the equal before God idea means that all nations, all peoples, all races are equal. And that any considerations such as those you mentioned

of the missionaries, of the different skills of people and so forth, that any considerations of that is sinful, that denying entry to mass immigration is sinful from a Catholic point of view. Would you consider these to be perversions of Catholicism? I think you already answered this question, but I just want to make it clear to Catholic listeners who are maybe on fence about this, the Catholic church throughout its whole history before Vatican II, never as far as I know, claimed that the meaning of its teaching is that you have to have open borders to people from other nations or that, as you said, the kingship of men, in other words, that its final teaching is that of absolute human equality between the races and that you cannot question that. Well, let's distinguish.

You see, it's a perversion of Christianity, because what happened was that before Christianity, I don't think many people would have thought of saying that all men were equal. Because it's obvious by observation that men are not equal. Some are more intelligent than others, some are more tall than others, some are more clever than others, some are more stupid than others, etc., etc., etc. There are huge differences. Every single human being is quite different, and you might almost say no two human beings are equal. In front of men, in front of men, but in front of God, they are equal. All men have the same, born alive and women, have the same chance, the same chance of getting to heaven, the same rules for getting to heaven, the same variety of graces, but all for getting to heaven.

They're all children of God, and they all have, are given by him, a chance to get to heaven. Otherwise God wouldn't give them life. All human beings are only given life in order to get to heaven. Therefore, what has happened is that before Christ, men didn't realize their equality before God, because they didn't know the true God, because they didn't have Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ gives them knowledge of the true God. And they, and as St. Paul says, From then on, there's no Greek or barbarian, there's no Scythian or whatever. St. Paul does speak and mentions several different, there's no Jew or Gentile. Everybody before God is equal, in front of God they're equal. That's a huge equality, it's much more important than the inequality of human gifts

and of human characters and so on and so on. However, when the liberals, when biliberals men then kick out God, out of pride, human beings retain this sense of equality. You are not better than I, but we're no longer both children of God. We're no longer brothers in God. God has been kicked out. However, out of pride, they have this sense of equality. You are not better than I am. I may logically realize that I'm not better than you, but actually I do think I'm better than you. But anyway, you're not better than I am. So okay, we have equality. But that equality in front of God is kept, God is kicked out, but the sense of equality satisfied my pride, and therefore I keep the sense of equality. I then have to jam, cram, push, and kick that sense of equality into a world without God.

It's a sense of equality that depended on God, that meant God, that came from God. It's a sense of equality before God, not before men. This person has a gift to be president, to be a ruler, and that man definitely hasn't. He's got, few men have a gift to be rulers, most men have a gift to follow. Okay, then men are not equal in front of men. In front of men, the Jews are cleverer than the Gentiles. I don't think you can deny it. But that's a human quality, it's in front of men. But in front of God, it's a different matter. And there our Lord says, I thank you, God, that you give this precious gift of faith and understanding to simple souls and you do not give it to the intellectuals. Yes. He says, because that's what has pleased you. That is how the Father operates.

The Son observes it as he's a man amongst men and he turns to thank his Father because the Son realizes just how true it is that the gifts that God gives are worth much more than the gifts that men admire. And therefore God gives these gifts to the simple souls who are humble and will admit what God is doing. And he doesn't give it to the intellectuals who want to teach God a lesson. And therefore try to change the Catholic religion and who have to a considerable extent at Vatican II succeeded in changing many Catholic sense of what the true religion of God is. Yes, as far as I know, these ones in the United States, they just seek to make Catholicism into a support for modern liberalism. That would be exactly correct. They're still thinking like human beings.

They're not thinking like true Catholics. And their attempts to hijack the church for their low human purposes is ignoble and it's false. Yes, it's very cynical, Bishop. You have to understand in the United States, the so-called Reagan Democrats who are working class Catholics, they have decided basically every election, if they wanted to decide it, they've decided it's every election since Nixon. And I believe this is a subversive and quite transparent ploy by elements of American state to modulate Catholicism because they know if they can subvert and infiltrate it, they can have complete control over electoral outcome. But these are very low political matters, I don't want to bother you with this. Before we end this segment, I wanted to ask you a related question, however,

because the teaching of equality, or rather egalitarianism, dogmatic egalitarianism of modern liberalism extends not just to differences between individuals and peoples, but also between the sexes, when I think it's wreaked incredible havoc, destroyed the basis of the family. And I wanted to ask you, actually, I have a question that a young Catholic friend who is an admirer of yours sent me. If you don't mind, it's a little bit of a of a longish question, but I'd like to read it out because it is just on this matter of what has been done. Yes, it says, your excellency, I am a young traditionalist Catholic man with many traditionalist friends. The men among my friends are successful in our careers and we try to be masculine and tough witnesses of our Lord.

However, many of the women among my traditionalist friends, though they claim to be traditionalist themselves, they always seem to be repeating modernist and feminist platitudes without really knowing it. For example, many of my female traditionalist Catholic friends insist that husband and wife must be intellectual equals. Furthermore, many of my female traditionalist Catholic friends say that young women should not marry men who are four or five years older than they are because older men can quote unquote manipulate younger women. These types of women tend to be unhappy unless they are controlling the conversation. Why are there so many women like this in traditionalist circles? I thought Catholic women were supposed to be sweet and without pretensions.

Have you encountered such issues in your ministry and so on and so forth? This question he asked. Yep, it's a key question. Modern liberals are making war on God and they're making war on the order that God put in the whole of his creation. Now God in his creation has created variety, which means inequality. He created the daisy and he created the rose. The rose is far more beautiful than the daisy. The daisy is far more common than the rose, but he created both, and both are part of his order. Amongst human beings, he created man and woman from the very beginning. And if you read scripture in English, it says, the woman is created to be helpmate of the man. She is created to be helpmate of the man. The man is not created to be helped made of the woman.

The woman is created to be helped made of the man. The man and woman have very different gifts. It's not just a question of a physical difference. It's a profound moral and intellectual difference. Women have gifts of the heart. Men have gifts of the head. Not many women are gifted to follow their reason. Not many women says Scripture, and Scripture says women are the weaker sex, that's St. Peter in the Epistles of St. Peter. St. Paul says the woman was created for the man and not the man for the woman. St. Paul has a number of quotes about man and woman. They should be collected together because they are not the products of misogynist St. Paul. These quotes are quotes from God himself because God is the real author of scripture. Saint Paul was simply the instrument

writing down what God told him to write down. Therefore, whatever is in Saint Paul, in the epistle of Saint Paul, is God himself. Reading Saint Paul, a modern woman would be liable to say, this is misogyny, this is scorn of woman. It isn't at all. It's God speaking about the difference that he made between man and woman. Man is meant to be the head because he's got those gifts, and woman is meant to be the heart. And your young man asking this question is absolutely right that most modern women are proud, they're unhappy because they're going against what God meant for them. St. Paul says, ha, wait for it, fasten your seatbelt. St. Paul says, the woman will be saved childbearing. What? What? You mean barefoot and pregnant. You mean vegetable at the kitchen sink.

You mean all of these things. You mean the subjection of women and the trampling on, the men given license to trample on women. Absolute nonsense. Of course that's not what St. Paul means. What he means is man and woman are different. They're made different by God. They are They are complementary. Woman has gifts that man doesn't have. Man has gifts that woman doesn't have. Before God, they are equal. They have an equal chance of getting to heaven and equal rules for getting to heaven. But before man, they are not equal. Before man, man is meant to be the head and the woman is meant to be his helper. The woman is meant to be subordinate to the man. Both Peter and Paul, in Scripture, use the word submission. The woman, the Catholic woman, should be submitted to her husband. What?

Submission? No! Never! That's modern woman, and she's not happy. She has her independence, she has her flat, she doesn't have a baby hanging around her, she doesn't have a husband telling her what to do, but she's not happy, she's not happy. On the other hand, you find a Catholic mother of 15 children, and sometimes she's as fresh as a daisy, even after 15 children. Because having children is what she's meant for, and she's fulfilling the will of God by having all of those children, and by looking after them as a mother. There is no substitute for motherhood. Our Lord was never a mother, but his own mother was always a mother. She's still a mother. She's caring about all of us as her children. And she's wanting all of us, she wants all of her children to get to heaven.

So motherhood is very much approved of by God. It's not approved of by proud modern women who want to be independent, who don't want to be dependent upon a husband, who don't want to be dependent upon a baby and so on and so on, or upon babies, and who don't want to have children, hence abortion, hence contraception and all the horrors. But I'm afraid that basically the responsibility for modern being the way she is, is modern man. Yes. The man is the leader. And even when the woman is wanting to be independent, she's doing what the man wants. Because the men want their women to be independent, because the men don't want to have the women dragging around them, so to speak. They don't want to take responsibility, which God wants them to take for women. Yes.

woman has a good man she's happy and she's fulfilled especially when she has children by a good man yes good men are not easy to come by today because the men are dish rags yes no it's it's like a biological bomb went off I don't know what happened in many cities it's disgusting to walk around it's very sad because you can see the woman pushing a pram with a little baby inside not a a little dog. Have you seen yourself how modern women are liable to be pushing a pram with a dog in it instead of a human being? It's very sad. But of course, a dog will never answer back. It may bark and it may extremely bite, but it will never answer back. Whereas it doesn't got free will. It's not a human being. Whereas a child, sooner or later, it the modern world, is going to rebel against its parents.

It's terrible. Yes. I have to tell you, I feel very bad for these dogs and these cats. These neurotic women are terrorizing them with their emotions and smothering and so forth. You're right. Poor cats and poor dogs. Your Excellency, this has become a long segment. I actually wanted to ask you another quite related question if you have time for one more segment. Can we take a break and come back? Whatever you like. Very good. We take a quick break. We will be right back. I am here with Bishop Richard Williamson, a defender of the faith and a brave man who I have always admired. Unlike so-called Catholic intellectuals in the United States, Washington, D.C., the bishop is willing to speak things that put him at risk. is this very much bravery, worthy of admiration.

Your Excellency, we left off last segment talking about problem of equality of sexes and how this form of feminism has been adopted even by so-called religious people and even by women who call themselves traditionalist Catholics. I wanted to ask you something else in relation to this because a lot of what I've written my book and other thing appeals very much to young Catholics, young Catholic men, because I look down on domesticity and I see the modern world as primarily a kind of iron prison, a stotifying, smothering regime that takes men, tries to spiritually castrate, caponize them. Absolutely. Absolutely. tries to reduce them to these ciphers and really, although it hates the family and it's destroying

the basis of it, nevertheless, I think it wants to reduce everyone, men and women, to mere domestics in the old sense, spiritual serfs and slaves. Now, I wanted to ask you because some of these Catholic men, as I've read you that question, they complain that the women among them who are very active in their groups or even sometimes their girlfriends because they believe in equality of the sexes and because they believe in the family which is a good thing but then they insist equality of the sexes means that the man must also be domestic and that his entire life must be based around service to the woman and service to the household. No way Jose. Yes this is exactly what I wanted to ask you because in Catholic history there are the missionaries

and the saints who martyred themselves for the truth and there are also what I like the conquistadors and the explorers who spread your religion around the world. It wouldn't be in South America without the manliness and sense of adventure of men like I will not say Hernán Cortés. He's very badly viewed today but I don't view him badly. I view him very well and these are are not men who wanted to be stay at homes or domestics. Furthermore, I have recent friends who unfortunately recently died. He went by the code name of Knight Aaron. He was a great admirer of yours and of Marcel Lefebvre. He left behind a wife and son. It is very sad story. But he and I were close friends. He knew I was not Catholic or even believing Christian. I have been baptized, by the way, when I was born.

but we can talk about that later if you want. But he nevertheless was close friends with me and he called himself Knight Errant. This was his code name because the image of the knight in armor, the adventuring Knight Errant, defender of his faith, this has long pedigree in Catholic history. And I was wondering if you would comment on this and have a message to young Catholics who are in, they do not want to be smothered by the women amongst them with this cult of domesticity. Absolutely right. Yes. OK. There's a Russian proverb that the man is to the woman like the tomato steak is to the tomato plant. The tomato plant is given by God a gift of adaptability which man has not. It is therefore God's will that the woman should adapt to the man and not the man to the woman.

The woman, the man must adapt to God. The man must fill himself with God and then he is fit to lead the woman. So if a young Catholic man is complaining about the Catholic woman, let the young Catholic man turn to God and fill himself with God. Forget himself, fill himself with God, like the night errand. You fill himself with the interests of God. And then he will be fit to lead the woman and the woman, an intelligent modern woman, if she's intelligent, a little bit intelligent, and not too modern, she will look for that kind of man, because that's the kind of man that she really needs. And what St. Paul says is there's an order, one, two, three, four. It's in the first epistle of the Corinthians. Number one, God. Number two, Jesus Christ. He was God, but he was also man.

So it's as man that he's number two. Number three, man. Number four, woman. So the woman must submit to the man, the man must submit to Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ as man automatically, of course, submits to God. The name of the game is submission and not pride. We are all creatures of God. We must all submit to God. If we want to get to heaven, get to his, if we don't want to get to his heaven, then we can be as proud as we like, as stupid as we like, as politically correct as we like, as modern as we like, and we will fall into hell. Yes. That's what we will have chosen, because hell and heaven exist, And God does not play games with eternity. Yes. He is always ready to help those who turn to him, look to him and ask him for his hope. Read the Psalms. That's another piece of advice

which I give to every single listener. Read the Psalms. Because the Psalms are full of God. They are God's self-portrait. God himself wrote the Psalms through King David and others. Many of them through King David. But the game, King David, like St. Paul, is just the instrument of God writing. And therefore the Psalms are a self-portrait of God, a portrait of man dealing with God, a portrait of how to deal with God, a portrait of how man should pray to God. It's all in the Psalms. Yes. The Catholic Church has always clung to the Psalms. Yes, the Catholic Church, of course, does not reject Old Testament as some... No, no, the Catholic Church absolutely holds to the Old Testament, more than modern Jews do. The modern Jews have switched their scripture from the Old Testament to the Talmud.

I was talking to a rabbi friend in the United States and I found in conversation with him that I knew more about the Old Testament than he did, because the Old Testament is still part of the of the Catholic religion, it is no longer part of the Judaic religion. Yes, actually this little known among commentators so-called online and elsewhere is that the Talmud post-dates the New Testament mostly, and that actually Judaism as is practiced today is not the Judaism of the Old Testament, it is rabbinic. That's correct. very different. And that Christians, I do not know fully about Protestants, but Orthodox and Catholics, they do not say that they are some other religions that came after the Old Testament. As

far as I know, they say they are the true religion already taught in the Old Testament. This way, yes. Correct, that's correct. The Old Testament, the New Testament, there's a famous old saying which says the New Testament, the Old Testament, the New Testament lies hidden inside the Old Testament. The Old Testament is clear, becomes clear in the New Testament. So the two are intimately connected because both are written by God and the Old Testament was written to prepare for the New Testament, the whole purpose of the New Testament. And the reason why the Jews got rid of the old testament was that it's always speaking of the messiah of the true messiah of our lord jesus christ and if an honest jew gets to know the old testament in its with its real meaning

it's obvious that jesus christ was the messiah yes yes no this this very interesting your excellency and i i will not pretend to know about it to pronounce on it and in ending uh this show i I have actually rather important questions for myself personally, spiritually, philosophically and for those like me because I have not invited you here today to pretend that I myself am a believing Christian. Oh, hello fellow Christians, fellow Catholics. Understood, understood. Yes. I just want to be honest both with you and, well, my audience knows I am follower of philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche. I know you have great contempt for modern philosophy, but perhaps, well, I see him as different from all other modern philosophers. My understanding of him is that of the European right wing

before 1940, not the edited and subverted and corrupted versions that is now thought of Nietzsche in the universities as supposedly, quote unquote, an individualist or this type of thing. I see him as, yes, he is atheist, but he's the right wing philosopher. And there are many like me who are either atheist or agnostic right wing. Some will hear your word and those of others like you and will embrace the church and will go back to religion. Some will do so later, but many will not to be realistic and many will do so, but maybe in many years toward the end of their life, if you know, We much admire the Nietzschean novelist and author Ernst Junger, who for most of his life, he was, you could say, in his beliefs like me, he was a Nietzschean right-wing vitalist.

But at the end of his life, he returned, he became a believing Catholic and so forth. But that was at the end of his life. I was wondering in the meantime, aside from conversion and aside from embracing the church, what message you might have for people like me who want to be allies with you and with believing Catholics, what do you think of this? In the short end, it could be called Nietzschean vitalism or so forth, because what, I don't know, what do you think about these views? Well, Nietzsche, I don't know much about him, but there are many, he says a lot of true things. He saw the decadence of Europe. Yes. So he had an idea, a true idea of what was decadent, so to speak. You can't have a true idea of decadence without knowing what is not decadent.

There is some straining in Nietzsche after what is truly noble and not decadent. There is some straining, but at the end of the day, he's proud and he's rejecting God. And he's daring to pretend that God is dead. a famous proposition, which you obviously know. They saw a t-shirt which said, Nietzsche is dead, God. Which is quite neat. But you know, poor Nietzsche, he saw a lot. He saw that the bourgeoisie was false, the middle class in Europe arising out of the revolution was false, it was pretending to be as virtuous as the aristocrats that preceded it, but they weren't, because the aristocrats, with all of their faults, did have some sense of God, but the middle class, the rising middle class,

is mainly interested in money, and that's not the same thing, and therefore Nietzsche castigated the hypocrisy of all of these people pretending to be leaders, pretending to be noble, but who are really only interested in their swimming pools, so to speak. And, of course, what's happening now is the almighty God is punishing. The COVID thing is punishing the prosperous and happy contented materialists who are just living for their swimming pool. And COVID is destroying all that. COVID has initiated the destruction of all of that. And Almighty God, there's going to be, like it or not, for all of us, a huge chastisement is coming. Almighty God cannot allow this situation to go on whereby not heaven is being populated as He meant,

but hell is being populated. The present system is sending most souls to hell. And God did not create this creation, the whole of creation, in order to send souls to hell. He created it in send souls to heaven. Therefore almighty God in a manner of speaking we speak with the utmost respect of almighty God but in a manner of speaking he owes it to himself to intervene and stop this modern world and he will do so and it may be quite quite soon that he does so. There are a lot of prophecies that say it's going to be a tremendous chastisement, just tremendous. There's going to be a rain of fire. Yes. Not another flood of water because if if you read scripture, you find that the scripture in Genesis about Noah and the flood, you find

that he promised not to flood the world again in the same way. But he did not promise that there would not be a flood of fire like a Sodom and Gomorrah. A Sodom and Gomorrah, he did not promise that there would be no further rain of fire and brimstone, but there will be. And that's what's going to clean up this mess. Nothing less will clean up this And the only real way to stop it, or to contribute to stopping it, is to go through the Mother of God. She said, only I can help you now. And we look at the Canadian truckers. Good men, brave men, self-sacrificing men, trying to look after their country. But did you have any indication that they turned to God? Not that I know of, no. Exactly. Neither did I. If they didn't turn to God, the bad guys will conquer them. Yes.

The only one that can conquer the bad guys who are presently ruling the world is God Himself. And the best way to reach God is through His Mother. And that's why she says, only I can help you now. It's beyond human means. Therefore, all your good Nietzscheans, all your good, good intellectuals, All you good, simple souls, all, all of us need to turn to God. Yes. No, I understand this. I understand this, Bishop. And I'm not expecting you to endorse atheist right wing or atheist anything. No, that's all right. It's just a matter of these people who style themselves and they call themselves, as you can believe it, Catholic intellectuals and leaders of Catholicism. Again, many of them are very recent converts under Dubius, but I will not get into that.

But instead of attacking the enemy, who is this world order and its taboos and idols, they want to go around pretending that the problem is quote unquote Nietzscheism and people like me who read Nietzsche. I just, that's absurd, you know. Pay no attention. Don't waste your time on them. Love them with the hope that they will get to heaven, but don't waste your time listening to them. Thank you so much for these words, Your Excellency, and in closing I must tell you the talk you gave just now about fire and the return of the world in fire. I also believe, I believe Nemesis will return, but the language you use and the word you speak, I know you do not like pride and I hope you do not think I am flattering you,

But I think if a priest spoke the way you do, many faithful would gladly turn in with great fervor to the church. I just want to thank you for talking this way. It is a breath of fresh air. Okay, well I'll tell you one thing. You go and buy a rosary and keep it in your pocket for when the bombs start falling, for when America starts suffering, as it's going to suffer, okay? You're geographically in the United States? I am not. I do not, I have not been there for years. I believe that, I cannot say on air because I believe I have enemies following me, but yeah. You yourself lived in Argentina, correct? I lived in Argentina, I was based in Argentina for five and a half years, yes. Yes, perhaps I don't want to keep you too much today, but perhaps in future, if you would like,

we have a pleasant conversation because in the past I have lived there myself for many years, maybe. Oh yeah, oh yes. Your Excellency, it has been a pleasure have you on. It's an honor and I just want to thank you and very good, very good. I wish you well. Thank you, likewise. God bless. Very good. Until next time, Bap out. Until next time, bye-bye.