Welcome to Caribbean reasons episode 109 excuse me 108 they try to put something in my mind But episode 108 Caribbean reasons I have with me a special guest Ro egg nationalist he is activist for a human power and the recuperation of our health I Have many of you know him. He has men world magazines the most important men's magazine of last few years years. Hello Roeg nationalist, welcome to the show. Thank you Bronze Age Pervert, it is a pleasure and a privilege. Roeg, everyone talking this documentary, Tucker Carlson about testosterone, I think a named documentary End of Men, something like this, and you are involved with this project. It's very exciting, what happened? Yeah this is a this is a big deal. This is a really big deal. So it's it's the

first in the second season of the Tucker Carlson originals documentary series so I think in the first season he had something he had three or four episodes or maybe five episodes one of which was Patriot Purge which was about about January the 6th I mean these are these are big glossy high high production value documentaries and here's first the first in the second season is the end of men, which is focusing on basically the crisis of masculinity, but the particular angle is through collapsing testosterone levels and declining fertility. So that's the main sort of thrust of the documentary. But he interviews people like Robert Kennedy, Jr., for instance, who features in the trailer, which was released a couple of weeks ago.

It made everyone go nuts that they had hysteria for an entire week, the leftovers, this trailer, you know? Yeah. Incredible. Incredible. I mean, I didn't stay up. It came out on the Friday night and because I'm on the other side of the pond, I didn't stay up to see the reaction as it happened. But when I woke up in the morning, I had so many messages from people saying they've lost their minds that they're going absolutely crazy about this stuff. And yeah, they really were. I mean the kind of uniform reaction was oh, this is this is incredibly gay. This is this is really gay. This is so So I've actually written I've actually written an article For the American mind my second article for American mind, which will annoy Bill Kristol

Greatly, I should hope but yeah, I've written an article about about the reaction to the trailer which was You know uniformly to Yes, you say is that the word of gay and these other slurs are meant to attack manliness and so forth. Yes, exactly. Yes. And that's, that's something that I that I wrote about. I published my own version of 39 steps, which is a classic, classic adventure novel by john buckham. And in the introduction to that, I talked a little bit about the way that classic adventure novels these sort of boys own adventure novels have often been have often been sort of interpreted as as displaying repressed sexuality the authors are repressed homosexuals so there's a yes Christopher Hitchens wrote an article

about John Buck and the author saying that some these these these stories are kind of morally preposterous because everybody's upstanding and the men don't have it there aren't any women in the novels to begin with but then the men aren't interested in anything other than doing their manly duty to save their country and that somehow this is you know this is all very gay basically yes and that's exactly what that's exactly what so that's the sort of highbrow version of it that's the kind of literary version of it but then you've just got this popular popular sort of yes it's a very common reddit talking point oh you're going to the gym you want to pump it up with those guys is a is very common among certain kind of erased male and some women also talk this way.

Yes, yeah, and they say things like Brazilian jiu-jitsu is dry humping and wrestling is dry humping. It's a sad state of affairs and so, as I said, I've written an article about the response to it and about the fact that the way that the slur is used to discourage men from associating, basically to discourage men from having friendships with one another really. Yes. And that that is, among other things, that is an indication of just how powerful male friendship is. That's how much they fear it, that they really do not want men to be friends. Yes. Now, I've often pointed out in ancient worlds, almost all conspiracies against tyranny began in aristocratic fraternities. They were called Hetairia, not Hetaira. I told friends recently this. He look up Hetaira, it mean, of course, courtesan

or a high class kind of, well, prostitute, but geisha type who can know how to dance and have philosophical conversation. But no, not Hetaira, Hetairia, where the type of aristocratic fraternities, almost all conspiracies against tyranny came out of them, but also other great projects, foundation of new colonies or many such thing. They know this intuitively, if not by study. They want to do anything they can to stop it. You are right. I don't know how conscious it is in the lower level users of these meme ideas. I think it's just a lot of erased males who are themselves androgynous, who do not do anything that historically a man used to do. They interpret any activity in that sense as what you just said, it must be motivated by some kind of repressed sexuality.

Yeah, it's a funny thing, and so you end up with these sort of ridiculous last holdouts of masculinity or what people think men think of masculinity, like the man cave, for instance, which I think is a hilarious phenomenon. Not to interrupt you, but you know my friend Thomas Seven, he funny, he's crazy. He pointed out the obvious, you know, yeah, there are gays in to fascism for the same reasons There are gays in the military or gays in gym You know they go in gyms or in locker rooms And that's because gays are attracted to any environment that has a lot of men that's not a reflection on why the other men who are not gay do it, you know, but It's they are able to use use this gay predilection for trying to infiltrate men's organizations as, oh, see, that's proof, you know?

Yeah, it's a funny thing, I mean, to sort of pathologize what was ordinary behavior for the vast majority of history. And I do think you're right about the fact that ordinary people don't sort of sense the revolutionary power or the potential revolutionary power of male friendship it's just they've just been conditioned I think to feel that way because because I think they feel threatened more than anything else that's definitely yes I mean the the producers of the Tucker Carlson the Tucker Carlson documentary with the trailer were definitely trying to make definitely trying to ruffle a few feathers and they really could succeed with that I mean they've been just hit piece after hit piece day after day you

you know, talking about how it's a sort of sign of Tucker Carlson's own personal sort of insecurities. But actually, as time has passed, then it's moved on from just being a critique or a sort of criticism of how homoerotic it is to being more about how it's actually barely disguised fascism, which I think is the... Oh, this happened for a long time, Roeg, you know, I told one time, I think I was 20 years old, I wanted to start boxing, and I told, I had one professor who liked me, they all hated me, one of them liked me, I told him, I want to start boxing, and he immediately started, what is this, this cult of the body and boxing, and you are becoming fascist? I mean, in his case, he was right about me, but I, you know, it's just, you know,

I didn't find other fascists in boxing club by the way. So, but that's, I think you're right that for the end level user, let's say the low level user of these memes, someone like that guy who was not gay, he is just a schlob, you know, married to this woman who crushed his spirit. But in that type of a man, I think it's very clear, just easy for a regime to play on their feeling threatened by men who engage in any, whether Brazilian jiu-jitsu or boxing or especially lifting weights, they are threatened by such men sexually, by their sexual power. And so it's very easy for them to say these things, you know? Yes, I mean, I think they're very, very aware of the fact that, you know, when you have groups of men,

hierarchy inevitably forms and that's not something they want to be part of because they know they'll be on the bottom. It's better off just to have a partner who is, as a lot of, you hear a lot of men say, my wife is my best friend, which I think is an absolute nonsense because a wife shouldn't be a friend, a wife should be a wife. These are very, very different things but they're much happier just to be sort of under the thumb of one person rather than at the bottom of a heap of men who are much more competent than them. Yes. Well, this documentary talk a lot about decline in testosterone that has been something measured for decades now, I suppose. It get into why, into the scientific why of this at all? Yeah, absolutely. So that's the...

I mean, the thing is, the real message and the real focus of the documentary has been, I think, has been lost. It's in the trailer. I mean, you can see it's in the trailer. You have Robert Kennedy talking about the fact that testosterone levels are declining. You've got pictures of plastic floating on the ocean and stuff like that. I mean, it's going to go into microplastics and estrogens, you know, everything that has happened over the last hundred years to reduce people's health, to make them unhealthy, and especially men to reduce their testosterone levels. So it's in no way pie in the sky. I mean, it is very definitely grounded in real science. And I mean, I recorded a two and a half hour interview with the producer and talked all about various different studies

about the Massachusetts male aging study, for instance, which was a big study that was done in Boston over a period of about 20 years and showed a catastrophic decline in testosterone levels over just a period of 20 years at the end of the 20th century. These are trends that are... it's not bro science, it's not just your boomer uncle saying oh, men today aren't what they used to be, we can quantify it. much as I'm hesitant to sort of always, you know, to reach directly for quantification right at the beginning, I think it is, it is something that we do that evidence is, is there and it's and it's very, very compelling. Yes. Okay, so it's happening. If it's not too much to ask you for preview of maybe what you say or what the movie says, what are your

idea about why happening what the main culprits well I think one of the main culprits is obesity obviously most obese people are a large proportion of obese people have low testosterone that is just that is just part and parcel of being obese or heavily overweight that you will have low testosterone because fat tissue is estrogenic a lot a lot of I mean the interesting thing is that a lot of people think that fat tissue is just some, it's just inert stuff that's attached to you. Well, actually, it's not I mean, yes, fat tissue has a has a has an important metabolic role, and it is involved in the production of hormones, including estrogen. And I think fat tissue produces aromatase, which is the enzyme which turns excess testosterone into

estrogen. And so what happens is, as you get fatter and fatty your body produces more and more aromatase which then converts more and more testosterone into estrogen skewing the balance between testosterone and estrogen even further in the favor of estrogen and the other thing about fat of course is that it I mean fat is where all of the bad things in your body go that your body can't get rid of and so that means all sorts of you know let's say let's say you work at a you know you work at a DuPont factory making fertilizer making some kind of fertilizer that has all sorts of horrible gender-bending effects as many of them do if you're exposed to all of those chemicals the chemicals they get into your body they will end up in your

fat stores so so yeah so obesity and and and levels of body fat are very important. And I mean, who's going to dispute that we've become fatter over the past 100 years? I mean, it's, it's one of the defining problems of the 20th and 21st centuries that we're just all becoming so bloody fat. But, but but actually, that isn't just about overeating, it is about overeating and being sedentary, but it's also about the unprecedented exposure that we have to industrial chemicals. And so that's, that's the other thing that I would point to. And that's something also that the documentary I know points to I talk about is the fact that we are today we're basically awash in chemicals that are used for instance mainly used in the production of plastics, plasticizers,

things like phthalates, bisphenol-a, grease proof chemicals like PFASs and all of these chemicals are estrogenic so in the human body and in the body of and and in the bodies of small mammals, rodents, fish, amphibians, these chemicals have estrogenic effects, so they simulate the effects of natural estrogen. So it's basically hormonal therapy. Yes. And these chemicals are everywhere, you know. And we're only just starting to appreciate how many of them there are and the fact that they are ubiquitous. Yes. I mean somebody like Alex Jones was so far ahead of the curve with all of his gay frog stuff Although he was roundly mocked of course at the time and you know treated like an absolute kook

Yes, he was right and then I mean there really are chemicals in the water that are turning the frogs gay And they're turning it well returning us gay. That's another question, but they're certainly they're certainly feminizing us certainly men and You know there are all sorts of studies that show that that chemicals like bisphenol a phthalates your cause reproductive defects shrunken genitals rowing I'm sorry I must interrupt you they try to attack my connection I will be we must interrupt show yes we must interrupt show I will be right back welcome back to the show you see they try to stop us exactly as you were revealing the truth about industrial xenoestrogens so sorry about that but please go on you were talking about how phthalates and so forth lead to micropinor

and other such uh thing as a you know uh genital uh shriveling yeah yeah no it's it's well established this is the thing i mean you know in 2015 or whenever alex jones did his uh gay frogs rant then he was a he was a total crank but as we've seen over the past couple of years as Alex Jones has been has been right about a lot of stuff and he's definitely right about the chemicals in the water you know there are there are so many studies too many studies to count of the terrible terrible effects that bisphenol a phthalates and all sorts of other chemicals that are ubiquitous and essential to our way of life at the moment to our plastic based existence you know these yes you can't you can't make soft shaped plastics without these

without these chemicals and so they are everywhere you know and when plastics end up in the water and and break down then they produce micro plastics and this is this is something that we're just coming now to appreciate the scale of the of the problem with micro plastics I mean they I saw a study the other day that said that three thousand tons of microplastics fall in snow on the Swiss Alps every year. They took samples of snow and extrapolated from the amount of snow that they'd taken and they reckon that three thousand tons of microplastics fall on the Swiss Alps. This is still literally trash world, Roeg. Yeah, yeah. And I think people should realize those who may snub their nose, they scoff at the idea of testosterone and so

and so forth. I don't know what you think of Ray Peet's idea that in fact estrogen isn't as such the female hormone, that this is a propaganda by the chemical industry in the same way that they demonized saturated fat because in 1930s and 40s coconut oil was the the predominant oil, and they wanted to replace that with the seed oils, which nobody ate at the time, as they were considered an industrial byproduct and paint thinner and so forth. So they repurposed an industrial byproduct as a food product, which are the seed oils that everyone consumes since mid-20th century. In some way, I think they repurposed skim milk, which, aside from a few traditional The Icelanders make skyr from skim milk, and in the Balkans there are some others, but

mostly it's an industrial byproduct of dairy industry. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they repurpose skim milk as a health food. In a much bigger way, they repurposed industrial waste byproducts, the chemicals you're talking about. They say, oh, they happen to be estrogens. That's okay, because estrogen is the female hormone, and estrogen is good for women. And if you're worried about it, you must be one of these gay men worried about masculinity. But in fact, it's not the female hormone, it is a stress hormone, it's simply that female body has more of it because it's under stress because of needs of cell division. But what this cell division means is cancer, uncontrolled cell division. And so estrogen isn't just that it lowers or counters testosterone or it leads to these

developmental problems you say. It leads to cancer, to proliferation of cancers. Is this so? Yeah, there's a book actually that I was dipping in and out of recently. It's quite famous. It's called, I think, The Greatest Experiment Ever Performed. And it is about the way that estrogen treatment was sold to women beginning in the early 20th century, as a treatment for menopause, and the dreadful, dreadful effects that it's had. You know, women women stop producing estrogen for a reason at a certain period in their life. And yes, it probably is because estrogen is, as you say, a stress hormone, it is involved in proliferation and division. But that's a risky thing, because proliferation and division is growth but it's also uncontrolled growth i.e cancer. So you know when you give women

things you know hormonal treatments then what you're doing actually is you're increasing their risks severely of getting things like breast cancer and so it's quite interesting actually there's a test well it's not actually a testosterone booster but it's something that has similar effects to a testosterone booster called ekdysterone a variant of which is Terkesterone which is which has got a lot of has had a lot of coverage recently because more plates more dates Derek the YouTube fitness dude has been selling his own brand Terkesterone but what Echdysteroids are is they they're plant steroids basically so they're found in spinach and other plants and they're also found in arthropods I think and for many years they were used by

Soviet weightlifters because you know the Soviets had a great interest in chemically enhancing their their athletes and what they basically do is they they have basic steroidal effects but they don't work like steroids in that they don't mimic testosterone what they do is they seem to inhibit the estrogen beta receptor so I think what they do basically is they make it they they basically skew the testosterone to estrogen ratio by preventing estrogen from working in the normal way in your body and these ecdysteroids which have been shown scientifically by WADA, the World Athletics Doping Agency or whatever it's called to be extremely effective are now going to be used possibly to treat breast cancer because breast cancer is often so heavily estrogen

independent yes no this makes sense you know when I first came out with book in 2018 summer and I didn't know it would do well and others didn't know but it did well quite fast and then two or three months after these interns at Koch funded so-called think tanks in Washington DC I shouldn't I will not name what their particular names are, but this so-called think tank, it sullies us to even mention it, but just so people know, it's called the Capital Research Center. There's nothing unique about it, there are many others. It militates against so-called green activists. It also militates against organic foods, heavily funded by the Kochs. And these people came on and they start to try to dox and attack not just me, but many

of our friends because even before, you know, I had anti-xenoestrogen activists in my bio, but this was signature issue of Frog Twitter, Menaquinone4, who you might know, knows all the studies on xenoestrogen back and forth. I hope you and he can talk one day. But this was our signature, and they come and they attack us in very conniving, insidious way for a year. It didn't really work. And since then, I get coke attack after coke attack. The head of a coke center at some American university writes something like 10-14 articles about me. And they're all supposedly what you'd expect, they're obsessed, and they're all supposedly about how I'm a fascist and whatever, they may even believe that. But I really do believe it's because of the xenoestrogen things that they're attacking us.

The chemical industry is not just the plastics industry, but certainly is and many such things. This is an industry worth hundreds of billions of dollars. If there is public awakening regarding that it's really mass poisoning, they stand to lose a lot. people who would doubt that. One of my favorite examples is the stupid movie sideways. Have you seen this with Paul Giamatti? You've seen? Yeah, I saw it. Yeah. Yeah, probably 10 years ago. Yeah, I remember it though. Yes. And this character Paul Giamatti, he attacked Merlot wine. And the Merlot industry in the next 10 years after this movie, it lost something like over $100 million. I think more than that, just because of a few stupid lies in So they know the power of even small cultural shifts. I'm not going to say, oh, my book.

But even a small thing can awaken people. And recently, I don't know if you saw a thread by, so you are a raw egg nationalist, there's a raw milk activist, I think. And he had a thread exposing these people who supposedly attack seed oils, but it's not to replace them with healthy fats. It's because they have their own Frankenstein synthetic oil that they come up with. And I will promote this article in other ways, but I think it's one of the clearest social media fake campaigns. I mean, the evidence he presents is incontestable. So people should not doubt, they are after us, after this sphere on the internet, because We may be few, but we are quite influential, I think, because people read us, people listen to us.

We're the only fount of new ideas, and we do it in a humorous way, but yes, please excuse this aside. I just wanted to tell people this issue of xenoestrogen and mass poisoning. They attack us for years because of this. You have to expect attacks on yourself and Tucker also if you expose this. Well I mean I must say actually that was one of the one of the real one of the many revelations in your book I think reading your book because it's you know it seems it seems to be one thing when you're first reading it and then there's then there's this stuff about chemicals you know estrogens all this kind of stuff and it it seems at first well I suppose it doesn't seem like there's a disjuncture but it but it's it's a it's a real change and then you actually

realize that it's that it's very much in keeping with everything else that you're talking about. But yeah, I would I would totally agree about the about there being a systematic or what looks like a very, very systematic attempt to go off or to co-opt certain narratives about health. And the seed this seed oil thing is very, very interesting. I mean, one of the one of the disadvantages now of having reached 60,000 odd followers on Twitter is that I can't really sort of vet people that I follow or that I interact with in quite the same way that I used to so there was this account called or there is this account called seed oil disrespector and he has you know he came out of nowhere and ended up with or very quickly got you know tens of thousands of followers

I mean which in itself is slightly suspicious I don't think you go zero followers to 30,000 unless you're a real celebrity joining Twitter for the first time or something like that you know famous musician but he was yeah he was he was very assiduous in sort of talking to me and getting asking me to retweet stuff and I mean superficially well not superficially I am on board with the anti seed oil stuff I think that I think the seed oils are a monstrosity. And I don't think we should be eating industrial lubricant. No way. I mean, we got butter. Let's just go back to butter. But actually, behind it, as you say, there seems to be this. There's this bio sludge startup called Zero Acre Farms, which is bankrolled by bankrolled

by Richard Branson by Virgin money. And they are creating genetically modified bacteria to to ferment some kind of sludge into a healthy oil that doesn't contain polyunsaturated fatty acids, which is, which are what is among the things that are so bad about seed oils. Yes. But, you know, this is just, this is big money. And in many ways, it's not all that dissimilar from the fake meat industry, you know. It's like, the answer to whatever problems are with seed oils isn't some kind of fake, genetically modified liquid. It's to go back to the healthy animal fats that have very wrongly, and for reasons of profit, been demonised in the 20th century. It's get back to eating butter from pastured cows. Yes. I would agree with all of that. Or even coconut oil, although people should know that

coconut oil is antiseptic at the cellular level and it is used as industrial cleanser in the dairy industry because it is so I think you know basically it's good for that it keep the coconut clean in a tropical environment but people should be aware of this but no I think there are going to be massive attacks on us like and of course I thought the seed oil guy was good too and then then you realize they have this other thing up their sleeve. And there's always, people should be aware of attacks on us, supposedly, as we are fascist and this. There's always, almost always, some type of agenda like this. Like, oh, you believe in human nature, but I'm actually a libertarian follower of Nietzsche. And of course, they pervert that completely, and they say, oh, but nature doesn't exist.

If you believe in nature or anything that has essence, you must be a fascist. And footnote, oh, footnote, because there is no nature or essence of anything, you can drop a metric fuckton of atrazine anywhere and it doesn't make any difference. That's up their sleeve of all these coke-supported so-called philosophies, you know? Yeah, I mean, it's an interesting angle of attack that they've got, that there is actually a, that they're pushing of let's say like a philosophical position just solely a base in the service of massive industrial profit and that's a familiar story that's the story also for instance of what happened after Occupy Wall Street or what happened as a result of Occupy Wall Street for instance it's clever but yeah I mean

I was quite naive, or I was too naive up to the point of that get raw milk thread about the seed oil cartel, or the anti-seed oil cartel, and that really made me think, actually, this is serious. This is serious. We are talking about big business, big money, prepared to use any means at their disposal including infiltrating groups on social media. And it's very interesting they court us, the autists, right? We are supposed to be the outcasts, and these people try to court us to spread their opinions. Roeg, sorry to interrupt you, we've been going on this segment, despite the interruptions, the New World Order tried to cut the message, but we've been going quite long. I just want to summarize for audience, so the obesity is probably, you would say, number

one cause of this and then the second industrial waste and going under the name estrogen, xenoestrogens, the plastics industry and so forth, and they work together. I would like to ask you what you think. I have heard that regarding the industrial waste part, the real damage is done in the uterus, and that this has catastrophic effects on somebody's development take place before birth. And so I'm not saying people shouldn't take measures against them in your day-to-day life because these things are still bad, they cause cancer and so forth. But it's really important to attack the problem at that level, no? Before birth. Yes, I think so, yes. I mean, there have been lots of studies, not only of rodents, small mammals,

but also of humans who have been exposed, because they've done things like measured levels of phthalates in the mother's urine, for instance, and correlated levels of phthalates with anogenital distance, which is the taint, the gooch, whatever you want to call it. And they've shown, for instance, that higher levels of phthalates in the mother's urine correlates with a shorter anogenital distance, which means less sexual differentiation, essentially smaller penis, misshaped vagina, whatever. So yes, I mean, I think that the, if that happens to you in the womb, yeah, you've got a problem. You know, you're gonna have a problem for life. You're gonna be, you're gonna be, you know, you're gonna have a Harvey Weinstein micropenis or whatever. So poor you.

Yes, it's important to somehow target pregnant mothers or mothers-to-be to understand this, to raise awareness somehow on this. And second, regarding obesity, many people, even on our side, don't realize that being lean is, for purposes of testosterone maxing, more important than being muscular or at least as important. And so they, I don't want to upset many people, but they fall into this, it doesn't matter as long as I gain muscle mass and I can have powerlifter physique and eat butter and steak and so forth. But what about idea of telling people that they need to be very lean because in all pre-modern societies where there was normal testosterone level, The body mass index was very small. It was under 22. Sometimes it was 20, 20.5. And you see this even in cultures like Polynesian,

where they do not necessarily have a lot of muscle mass, but they are very lean. And even in West Point cadets in a civil war, they have something like 20.5 body mass index. So 20.5 or 21, something like this it look you can see from photograph 19th century that was normal weight for a healthy man and I just afraid that many people even on our side don't understand importance of leanness or that if you are let's say over this body mass index unless unless you are Schwarzenegger and truly a huge muscle man, that you need to lose fat. And that at that level, only way to lose fat is if you feel slightly hungry all the time and do not engage in mind, you know, convincing yourself that you will lose muscle mass. I don't know if you agree with this. I just think important to emphasize

for people that they need to be lean and that if they're not lean, Even a little bit of fat can have these bad effects on testosterone. What do you think? Yes, yes, I do. I do think that what people ought to realize is that, I mean, maybe if you want to bulk up then yes. I mean, there are scientific studies that show that you will put on mass more easily if you have more body fat. There are studies that show that, and I've seen various people talking about that in YouTube videos, respected kind of strength people, bodybuilders, etc. But the first thing that's worth saying is that if you are at 25% body fat, even if you're muscular, then your body is going to be under a lot of strain. It's not going to be pleasant. I would say it's less than ideal.

It's very, very interesting, for instance, that you look at someone like Eddie Hall, the powerlifter who has, you know, who broke the, or who set the world record with a 500 kilo deadlift. You know, as soon as he stopped powerlifting, he dropped so much weight. He dropped 120 pounds. I mean, he's still huge, but he's much smaller than he was. And so, yes, I mean, if you, carrying too much fat is not good. Conversely, carrying too little fat is very bad for you. I think that we should probably clarify what we mean by lean. I mean, if you want to have paper-thin skin, like you're on a bodybuilding stage, then you're going to have hormonal problems, too. You will have your testosterone will tank. And I think under about 8% or 9% body fat, then your testosterone levels will tank.

But yeah, I mean, 10% to 12% to maybe 15% body fat, I think, is good. It makes life more pleasant, it makes it easier to move around, it's easier to run, and yes, it probably is, that's probably the optimum, that's where your hormones are probably going to be about optimum, I would say. Yes, yes. Well, very good, Roeg, I don't mean to keep you, what you say we stop for a tea and milk's break and we come back for other segment? To Caribbean rhythms with Roeg nationalist, he is an activist and a polemicist for human power and health like myself, and also a wonderful writer, he has Men World magazine, which we will talk about on this segment. But I must apologize to audience, not only for connection problems, which New World Order

is trying to stop me, but my interlocutor used, seemed to use English accents, so-called, just like Stone Age herbalists a few shows back. And I understand maybe 20-30% of what he's saying is this accent confusing to me. I believe in the American accent, Roeg Nationalist, if this is okay with you. But I understand that recent you are attacked by a bulwark, something so-called, a rag by Bill Kristol, Mousepiece, you were attacked by this? Yes, yeah, I had, yeah, I woke up to a message from a friend of mine, you need to look at this and there it was a hit piece that it wasn't directed directly at me but it was but it involved me to a to a large extent so it's part of the Bill Kristol the Bill Kristol Alliance's attack on the ongoing attack on the

Claremont Institute so they've Bill Kristol has attacked Claremont Institute for writing about you because they Mike Anton did that did that review about your book and they've taken an interest in your book and now they've let me they've let me publish one article and I've got another one coming out and so this article which wasn't written by Bill Kristol but was written by one of his acolytes one of his foot pads whatever you want to call call her it's basic basically says that the Claremont Institute decline is is hastening as they publish as they now publish the dangerous dangerous individual known as the Roerig nationalist. So I wrote a piece basically sort of were to tie in with the Tucker with the Tucker documentary

about declining sperm declining sperm levels and and testosterone levels and it was a pretty straightforward piece you know just about what the potential implications of living in a society where none of the men can reproduce use might be years and that was attacked as sort of being well barely just barely just they were like though this is barely disguised replacement theory of course and then they they like to use Jack Murphy to smear people now because of what happened with Jack Murphy and Rod Dreher did that to me I think I think because I think because I posted a funny meme about your prayer or I did a funny thing about Rod Dreher in in Man's World issue five or six where I drew attention to the fact that Rod Dreher published this absolutely bizarre piece

about how when he was a child he you know when he was at school he had a fixation with the penis the the large penis of a black boy in his class which he refers to as a primitive root wiener which was I thought was pretty you know pretty spectacularly odd. Yeah, Rod Rayer, Rod Rayer is, yes, so what is with Rod Rayer? Well Rod Rayer tried to tie me in, when he wrote a piece about Jack Murphy called Queer as Volk, which was about the, you know, all of the Jack Murphy revelations, and he put, he chose as his, as the picture for the article, a screenshot from the Jack Murphy episode I appeared on with my avatar in which I don't think was a coincidence because there are lots of pictures of Jack Murphy at high Resolution and this was a screen grab so it's like usually low resolution anyway

I think he I think he did that because I was taking the piss out of him in man's world for his fascination with his young classmates penis The very very odd man wrote rare This is the so-called Benedict option, which as far as I know is never worked in history I mean, if he wants to make a network of monasteries, that is one thing. But well, this slight unrelated matter, but if you want to comment on this political thing, a lot of people on our side, raw egg, are saying, you have to exit, you have to withdraw from society, you have to make a homestead with a family, and just, you know, live an Amish lifestyle. And if we could all be the Amish, then Oh, look at the Amish, they are reproducing plenty. And so they will inherit the world, so if we could only be Amish, my answer to these

people is the Amish will never take power anywhere in America, they will change the constitution before they allow the Amish to take over, they will cancel democracy. And that many such nations have existed in history, most notably the Copts in Egypt, who have been dhimmis, second-class citizens within Islamic society for a thousand years, And they sustain themselves as a traditional community with family, so forth, but strictly second-rate citizens in that country. I don't think this is a political solution of any kind. It might be a solution for the survival of a sect or of a people, but it's not a rule survival and it's not sovereignty. I don't know. It's a bit different from what we are planning to talk about, but I just disagree very much

with this so-called Benedict option and this full rod rare, you know? No, I mean the thing about the Amish is that basically the Amish are living on a reservation. Yes. I mean they are allowed to live that way by the government in the same way that the Native Americans are allowed to live on their reservations. If the U.S. government wanted to upturn its agreements with the Native Americans it would and it could and there would be nothing that Native Americans could do apart from resist piecemeal the Amish the Amish are tolerated by the government because they're you know that they're hard-working people who keep to themselves yes I mean this notion that you can just break away from that you can just break away from a society that is profoundly hostile to you and yet

somehow sort of live within its borders in self-governing communities and it's just not going to happen it's madness yes of course they then many of them are deranged anti-Semites as opposed to a different kind of anti-Semite that is not deranged, but we don't need to discuss this, but they point to the Jews and they say, oh you see the Orthodox have these separate communities, but they don't want to understand that the Orthodox have no say in the running of the country or on the opinions of the secular leftist Jews who are the ones that they have complaints about. In fact, I remember when Elena Kagan was up, there were something like 800 of these ultra-orthodox rabbis, and they wrote a letter

against her, but it got absolute no attention from anybody, including in their so-called community. I don't see what they have in common with a leftist secular Jew, but I guess rabbis want to make that case that they're all the same people, but they don't have that, and they have no say in in the running of the country or of Israel for that matter, I think, they are completely on the outs, they are kind of Amish, but this is just not political, but look we don't need to talk this, you are talking about your wonderful magazine, Men's World, and this is, I'm not just saying this because Roeg is my friend or to use extreme language to praise someone on this show, Men's World really is the best and only men's magazine coming out right now.

The variety of intellectual and other topics and health and diet advice is like the best of the men's magazines of mid-20th century. Thank you, thank you, that's high praise indeed, it's been a labour of love and it was something that came about totally by chance. Really, it wasn't. It wasn't like some long held dream that I'd had, I kind of, I basically memed myself into doing it by, by making a few making a few posts about. Well, when I was writing my second book, three lives of golden age bodybuilders, I found out that Reg Park, one of the bodybuilders I write about, who was Arnold Schwarzenegger's mentor, had a journal in the 1950s called man's world journal. I thought, oh, that's quite a pretty cool name for a journal or a magazine and then that got me to

thinking about men's magazines and the fact that you know they've they've declined so so terribly and in recent years too I mean if you if you go back even say to 2010 to you know an issue of Playboy from 2010 there'll be good content in it it's it's it's not the supremely paused publication that it is now you know with a with a transsexual on the front cover and articles about you know why you should let your girlfriend peg you and all that kind of stuff so I I did a I did a Twitter post and I said oh if I resurrected Reg Park's man's world journal would you buy it and I and I made a mock-up cover with them with ziz on the front yes which was obviously you know intended in light-hearted to be like how to post but a lot of people was like oh yeah actually this would be

pretty cool it's actually a good idea you know Matt it would be great to have a man's magazine to read and so that was that was the genesis of it really just in a in a sort of mean post but I got to think about and then I thought yeah actually this would this actually could be really good I mean there are so many talented people on our side of Twitter and you know every day I see evidence of that talent, as I'm sure you do, interesting threads and people saying all sorts of, demonstrating all sorts of knowledge and sort of talent, even if it's in design of memes. And I thought, well, wouldn't it be great rather than people, everybody's got a substack or lots of people got substacks. And that's all good. That's all good. But wouldn't it be great to have

a place where all of this talent could come together in a showcase? And so that's really what I wanted the magazine to be was a showcase for all the talent that we've got on our side and and to give it a it's it's like it's like an ongoing proof of concept I think in some ways it's like this is what it would look like if we captured the mainstream we can we can make our ideas this is how good our ideas can look you know we can yes we can package them together and look out how attractive the whole package is you know it's it's funny it's interesting. It's, it's brimming with life. It's the opposite of of any magazine you would care to pick off the, off the rack in a in a news agents. Yes, I wrote a couple of things for you. One of them are open

step of the sea, which people like about various parallel between Greek seafaring society and as a step, step barbarians, you know, Yeah, that was a very good piece. I remember I said to you that that was a phrase that I really liked in, because that's from Bronze Age Mindset, that the open step of the sea is just a phrase that appears in longer aphorisms. And I said, why don't you expand on that? And you did, and it was great. I would like, sorry, go on. No, I was just going to say, no, go on, Kazal. Well I wanted to say I would like one day, but this is a long-term project, because I don't have a graphic ability to draw animes, but I want to have an epic, something epic five or six season anime about a steppe tribe, actually a clan, the Ashina clan, the wolf clans.

They have a, these were the founders of the Gokturk empire, and they have a Genesis, National Genesis story very similar to that of the Romans, where their leader is born of a she-wolf and so forth. But they provided a kind of steppe aristocracy, providing kings to other nations of the steppe. And I want to hear this multi-season epic telling the story of the Ashina steppe house. It would include everything I believe about kingship and eugenics and so forth. I don't know maybe someday can be done. What do you think? Well, I mean, we've got there are some really talented illustrators some of whom have been in man's world one of them is Reagan Lodge who is Doing a comic called Wyatt His comic look wonderful. I keep telling him to do it to finish soon. It looked wonderful. Yeah. Yeah

He very kindly contributed some some panels. I think it was issue three that he was working on so they were black and white weren't fully colored but it was part of the story and it's just fantastic I mean tremendous talent so I'm sure that we could we could definitely and look at the look at the sort of schizo hyperborea means that turn up all the time I mean there are people with tremendous video talent and editing talent and yeah it could definitely happen but one thing I was going to say was have you read empires of the Silk Road. Yes, this is Beckwith or somebody else? Yeah, Beckwith. Just what you were saying about the similarities with the Roman myths because that his thesis is about this sort of Eurasian cultural complex that unites Indo-European peoples actually with

peoples much further east. The comitatus, you know, the band of select warriors that surround the chieftain and also he talks about he talks about the myths the kind of shared myths that exist all along the Silk Road from China in the east to Europe in the West I mean it's it's a fascinating it's a fascinating area that people the people just don't know about people just don't know about things like the Tarim Basin and the tokarian mummies and all that kind of the red-haired mummies in China and all that kind of stuff yes and I wish that people would try to find a kinship with those Asian cultures if they wanted, rather than on our side many synophiles, I don't know if you are too, but I don't want to insult you if you

are, but I do not like synophilia or the love of Han China, Han so-called civilization, and it's a long-running problem actually among political intellectuals in the West, the pre-enlightenment, some thinker in Enlightenment like Voltaire and others, they love to praise China, and Tok will make fun of them for this. But there's something in a kind of overly cerebral guy, they just love idea of this meritocratic empire that that, you know, five, five years of civilization, all that kind of stuff, you know, oldest civilization in the world, whatever they want to say, so sophisticated, blah, blah, A.D. you know A.D. zero that had a population of 60 million which is the population of Britain now and they say all kind of stuff like that yes yeah it's

not it's no it's not for me Sinophilia. No Sinophilia not good Europe did not conquer the world based on so-called meritocracy which of course just means bureaucracy with with a testing regimen which even if you do it right you end up up with something like on China, but the aristocratic Europe was not like that. And it, you know, it found China, not the other way around, so. And there are very, very interesting, and this I think is, this is in Beckwith as well. There's some quite interesting evidence actually for influence from early Indo-European cultures on China, particularly the use of chariots, possibly language as well, even there's, I mean, I think there is a there is a theory I mean, I don't know how, how well regarded

it is that Chinese is is an Indo European language at some level, I seem to remember something well, I could believe that there is a very ancient substrate, they, let's say some kind of tocarians got there and maybe they even founded first Chinese civilization, so called, but I think it's largely irrelevant because that, that our territory has been overturned so many times that you can't even speak I think of Chinese civilization just it just means people in that land have lived in houses. They've wiped out their own history through bloody convulsions in which millions and actually sometimes tens of millions of people were killed. Yeah, well, there's that there's that very famous I say very famous there's that 4chan green text isn't there about what what Chinese civilization actually

is or what the Chinese people actually are. That's very, very good, but is actually also true. I mean, yeah, we can't even really begin to appreciate the scale of the slaughter that has been Chinese history just repeated, endless incursions from the step, millions of people dying, terrible cannibalism like Stone Age Herbalists wrote a very good essay for Man's World, the last issue, issue six about cannibalism with Chinese characteristics I mean it's just absolutely horrifying it's what boggles the Western mind yes no it's horrible when is next issue coming out beginning of July and do you are there some highlights already or do you know what's what's going to be in it yeah yeah there's some there's some real highlights so there's a story called the scrim chander which I don't know how to

to say the chap's name, his Twitter handle, but it's about a man, it's a really, really great piece of fiction short story. It's about a man who carves from whalebone and it's a kind of, it reminds me very heavily of William Faulkner, the writing style, and it's this kind of strange sort of dreamy kind of nightmare story about this man who carves whalebones carves who carves whale bones and his daughter goes missing and he goes looking for her on the ocean it's fact he's fantastic he is he is a great writer he's somebody to watch let me tell you and and in fact actually that's something that has surprised me we've had some consistently really great fiction in the magazine people like Faisal Marzipan yes you know my Lebanese

friend yes yeah he's written some great stuff and we've had other good stuff but yes it's good fiction I think Norman Lardin will be talking to Amanda Melius though so there'll be an interview with her yeah it's got it's just gonna be absolutely stacked as usual I'm writing I'm writing an article about the Appalachian or the yes the Appalachian martial art of gouging which is a kind of native Native American style of fighting where the aim is to disfigure your opponent by gouging their eyes out or pulling their lips off or stuff like that that was that was kind of prevalent in the in the 18th 19th centuries in the back backwards areas of Appalachia and all sorts of years people comment the Scots Irish they were native in the New World yes yeah yeah

and it's commented on by all sorts of travelers and you know as evidence of a kind of degraded the degraded state to which people have fallen in the new world and then there are all sorts of political arguments about the fact that you know this is what happens when you give people unrestricted liberty this is what happens when you get rid of monarchy yes but I want sorry to interrupt but in England don't you have the same stereotypes about Ulster men and yes Scots Irish and border that they come take your scalp you know yes yeah Yeah, I think you do but but but what it is, I suppose is that it's seen as a it's seen basically as as the hot

There's the entire culture. So it's not just it's like this is America America is these, you know people on the frontier pulling each other's eyeballs out Over some quarrel about you know, whatever. I wanted to do this in the McDonald's to a shibun, but But no, this is good Yeah, man, well, have you gotten so I mean, you have some big names in the real world for it. Noor bin Laden and Amanda millions, you get responses from, you don't need to say their names, but you get responses from people in the so called face world in the real world. So So listen, I had somebody say to me that they heard someone talking about it at the Tory party conference in Britain. So you know, the big years like the equivalent of the Republican National Convention, albeit

less glamorous if that's possible um yeah without rent boys but yeah yeah well maybe just fewer fewer probably one or two i would imagine but um yes but uh yeah yeah i've had i've had lots of people lots of people say that um pretty important people are watching um which is great which is great i mean it's uh i'm not surprised i mean look because this isn't so much a praise of you or of me but we're really some of the only ones around doing anything which is that's just a reflection of sorry state of things now that it's up to a few unknown frogs you know yeah yeah i mean i look i have i have very limited resources i mean i i had never designed anything like that i mean i might be a creative person or an artistic person

if you want to say that but you know i've i've come at this from from scratch i've i've got no experience and I mean imagine what you could do or what you should be able to do if you had resources and a team of you know I mean it's just me doing the magazine you know imagine if you had a team of 20 people or 50 people however many people they have doing Playboy there's absolutely there's absolutely no reason why this kind of thing shouldn't be on the market yes no I agree it's very good I think I one day it will be one way or another it has to it has to do that and you know Amanda Milius I think she she might follow her father might make some unusual movies with us but Roeg I don't want to keep you too long of what you say we take short smoke tobacco break and we come back for a

final segment do you have time? I like the sound of that let's do it. Very good we will be right back. Yes we are back Roeg nationalist as we were leaving I mention smoke. There are many studies now about tobacco and lowering estrogen or somehow countering it, estrogen antagonist or something like this. Is this true? In your studies, have you seen this? Does tobacco help? I have seen a few studies. I mean, I think many of us will be aware of the fact that being a smoker appears to reduce the risk of contracting a serious coronavirus among other things but yeah I also think that it yes I think it does have testosterone boosting effects I have I have seen at least one study that says that yes and I mean I suppose you only have to look at the the old-time

movie stars to see that there's there's definitely something to that yes I spoke with Menaquin on for today about this to ask him and he said oh you know this is our vice and maybe we shouldn't promote it to other people because smoking tobacco is still bad for you, and that it may be hard to say, well, is it the tobacco or just the fact that smoking lowers obesity overall, and is that what accounts for it? I don't know. I don't know. But he did say, thinspiration, that thinspo, being like a neurotic girl about your fat storage, that that probably does a lot. I don't know. I don't know that I don't know if you agree with that I know it gets some people on our side upset because they think look let's not get into it I

actually I wanted to talk to you on this segment about diet as precisely this and I know you have some thoughts on diet and new book and so forth fantastic let's do it yes well what you say you told me today is this about that concern with diet very old and that even in the Plato and some other sources they knew that certain foods have certain effects on the spirit yes so this is this is something that I've taken a very close interest in because I'm writing my new book which is in a loving nod to my friend Rod Dreher who we were just talking about which is called the eggs Benedict option yes and one of the things that I was thinking about was how ancient the notion of using diet as a form of social control is. I'd read Plato's Republic before but I went back and looked at Plato's Republic

and there is a short, it's not a long section, but there is a short section where Plato talks about or Plato Socrates talks about the ideal diet in the in the Republic I mean there's a disagreement about it but but it's quite clear that Plato Socrates has a particular idea about the ideal diet in the Republic and he says that the workers need to be fed basically a carbohydrate a grain diet to keep them placid yes and that they shouldn't be fed meat under any account because if if they were to be fed meat, I think he says something like, it would inflame their passions and cause them to be unhappy with their lot and bring about the end of the ideal republic. I mean, that's a pretty striking thing to say. I mean, we're talking, what, 330 BC, 300 BC, whenever the republic was written,

to think that people understood even then the the the mood modulating effects of particular kinds of foods because of course that is that is exactly what we've seen today with the promotion of vegetarianism veganism plant-based diets and in particular everything that's being that's being said about the role of diet in the great reset which is which is basically the main focus of the book that I'm writing yes the story of Cain and Abel also. Yes. God accepts sacrifice of meat, but he does not like the offering of the farmer. You see significance in that? Yeah, I mean, yeah, potentially, it's something that, I mean, Jordan Peterson talks about that quite a lot. He's talked about the fact that it's sort of the offering of the grain is a kind of is an unworthy offering for God. It's not,

it's not Cain's best offering. It's not the best thing that he could offer. But yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know beyond that whether it has a kind of deeper significance. I mean, you know, the Bible is a mishmash of agrarian myth and pastoralist myth because, you know, It is a mishmash, but I think the pastoralist, the shepherd is seen as holier and better then the farmer in the Bible and there are all kinds of it's not just in the earliest section David David is a shepherd isn't he yes and even later the Bible says you can feed your whole family on goat milks you know yeah yeah so it's yes I mean I think that we're talking about we are told by the way sorry to interrupt okay just keep in mind I wanted to ask you before I

forget are you into the milk sting and the raw milks and this other thing yeah for sure for sure yeah I think raw milk is a is an incredible substance I love love I've always loved drinking whole milk and Jersey milk in particular because it's so creamy I can remember my grandmother giving me Jersey milk she grew up on a dairy farm yeah I had a very idyllic existence on dairy farm so yeah I've always always loved dairy always loved cheese butter but I'm lucky enough to live near a near a farm that sells raw milk and so I go there and get raw milk, you know, a lot of raw milk. What about people who say milk is oestrogenic? I found that disingenuous or a misunderstanding because it is only a little oestrogenic, not

that much. Yeah, I mean, I've seen there are studies of the oestrogen content of milk that suggests that it has no real oestrogenic, that it's in concentrations that would have have no no discernible effect on human beings. And you only have to look at the kind of the kind of civilizations or cultures that are built on milk. I mean, are you telling me that the men of the of the of the Mongol civilization, you know, these these absolutely built wrestlers or the kind of the Maasai newer pastoralists, are you telling me that I mean, they're not estrogenic I mean they're among the healthiest the healthiest virile men in the world I mean they thought they are the envy of the world in terms of their health yes and many of us take colostrum especially I would suggest I've

suggested to a number of friends who were attacked by Wuhan grids and they they told me they had immediate almost immediate improvements taking colostrum there are a few good brands producing pure encapsulations is one and ancestral supplements is another but there are others but some people also say colostrum is quite estrogenic but how could it be when bodybuilders take it i mean it even if it is a little it's counteracted by the other things in it you know yes yeah i mean just to think that the fact that it might contain some some estrogen is going to make it, you know, turn you into a woman is ridiculous, I mean it's not. There's so much, there's so much stuff, there's so much stuff in it we don't actually even understand. That's the other thing.

I mean I think you just, again, I would say look at the kinds of people who subsist on foods, high amounts of dairy, I mean they're not, they're not in any way feminine or feminised. I did, I actually posted a recipe for colostrum ice cream, which was, which people should look up. Maybe I'll repost it. It's just, it's just my normal no churn ice cream because I have this kind of famous no churn ice cream recipe that I've posted to Great Applause and I just add some colostrum to that. It's just a nice way to, nice way to take it. Yes, I've made Ray Peet ice cream before and I've put glycine in it, you know. it's good sweetener yes row egg let's talk some more about diet because you have this book coming out it's attacking the great reset plans for world diet

change would you explain this to audience what means yeah so I mean if I say to you great reset you're likely to think of these slogans like you will eat the bugs and all that kind of stuff and that is that is a part of the great reset alternative protein sources but it's not it's not the I mean the great reset is a is a whole can of worms but there is a there is a much broader plan within the great reset for transformation of the agricultural system and also transformation of people's diets and it's actually being thought out in very, very great detail. So the World Economic Forum has all sorts of which is the, you know, the main driving force, or it's the main sort of figurehead behind the Great Reset.

Again, we could there's there's all sorts of stuff that we could get into about whether the World Economic Forum and especially Klaus Schwab is a is a distraction from what's really going on. And I think there's there's some evidence. Well, I think Klaus Schwab is just an impresario and Yes. He's part a lot of these people like him and Brzezinski self-promote by presenting themselves as eminence Greece and mastermind behind the scenes. But really, they're promoting themselves in the same way any face fag on the internet promotes. And I don't, but I do not doubt, however, these other plans to change the diet because I've seen them try to put them in action for years now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the that that's one of the things in the book that

that I'm trying to say, when I talk about Plato, and, you know, like, these, these ideas are very, very old. Diet control has been central to eugenic notions of social transformation for thousands of years. And anyway, there is the World Economic Forum works through all sorts of partner organisations and one partner organisation that it has is the eat foundation, which was founded by some Norwegian billionaire couple. And they have produced this report in collaboration with The Lancet, which is this very, very old, very respected British medical journal. They produced this report and have come up with this thing called The Planetary Health Diet. And it's basically the great reset plan for food. So it starts from the premise that there

to be 10 billion people in the world in 2050 and they've all got to be fed. That's one premise, the second premise is that this has to take place within the boundaries set by the Paris Climate Accord and UN Sustainable Development Goals and some other, you know, sort of international globohomo agreements. So basically what the report advocates is a total transformation of of the global food system, more or less total elimination of any kind of animal-based agriculture, we're all going to be eating lots of vegetables, grains, peas and legumes, and a very, very small amount of meat and dairy products, maybe. So like they set out in this report, they set out an actual sort of ideal diet, an example of the ideal diet and it works out at like a quarter of a small egg a day,

that's how much protein you could get from an egg and a wafer thin slice of meat, you know, it's the smallest amount of animal meat you could possibly eat without not eating any animal meat or products. So fundamentally what they're doing is they're turning over the world food system to plant-based agriculture that's it that's all there's going to be and that's all you're going to eat is some kind of variant by the way speaking of speaking of nutritional sources of estrogen most of them come from plant being lentil a chickpea other plants are inherently estrogenic yes but soy especially soy especially yes sorry I interrupt by going this very interesting about the diet reset what what they plan. Yeah, so so they're there. I mean, they want to turn they want

everybody to be eating plant based diet. And so, I mean, one of the things that I talked about in the in the new book is the fact that actually, this has happened before in the past. This was the Neolithic revolution in agriculture. This is what actually happened. You had hunter gatherers who were I mean there's evidence for instance from uh from sites in the rift valley that show that hunter gatherers were eating 140 different kinds of food yes 20 different kinds of of animal and all sorts of marine life yes an incredibly rich diet and they were very very healthy very very vigorous you can see that from their bones it's obvious that these were these were people who were you know really thriving yes and then you have the transition to agriculture for

for various different reasons and you've got people all of a sudden subsisting basically just on grains and all sorts of all sorts of horrible health problems ensue which are visible in the fossil record and are also and are also visible in the written historical record as well because you've got written historical records talking about epidemic diseases which are which are really product of the agricultural revolution and of the move towards large urban settlements and concentrations of people and animals that have never existed before, you know. In the Neolithic with hunter-gatherers you've got maybe a group of max 150, 200 people maybe, sometimes settling for a period of the year maybe to coincide with a gazelle migration

or something so that they can be in the right place to catch, to catch, but you've not got permanent settlement and then in the Neolithic Revolution you've got people permanently settled in one place, living in their own filth and eating a crappy diet. And so I talk about the Neolithic Revolution at length and say that in many ways it is the original Great Reset. And so then I go on to talk about, I draw parallels between the effects of the Olympic revolution on people's health and the probable effects of adopting this new planetary health diet that the World Economic Forum wants us to eat. And so that's that's the first half of the book really is is laying out laying out the great recent plan for agriculture

and people's diets and analyzing it and what is the effects that it's likely to have. The second half of the book then is me talking about the eggs Benedict option which is before Before you get there, I want to interrupt, to ask you, do you think this plan, which obviously exists, I do not deny anyone who looks into it, I remember in high school I had shit-lit professors, teachers, who were talking about precisely this, getting rid of cattle because of methane emission. These are old ideas that these people have been churning for a long time. Do you think it is motivated, as Alex Jones says, by a dysgenic plan to turn people into four-foot worker drones, and that the elite will continue to live wonderful lives? Or do you think it is motivated by genuine egalitarianism run amok?

I can see a case made for both, but I don't know if you have opinion on that. Yeah, I can too. I mean, I think it's it's a bit like what we were saying earlier about the people saying that the Tucker Carlson documentary is gay You've got a level of you've got a certain level at which there are people who are in the know and I think I think that people right at the top have have a very firm idea of Of what's going on and it's and it's not and it's not necessarily for the professed reasons but then you've got a lot of people at lower levels who genuinely believe for instance that the planetary health diet will solve all the world's environmental problems and it will make everyone healthy because they won't be eating saturated fat and any animal products

and all that stuff all the cruelty will be will disappear from the system but I do think that I do think that that the that the elites will still be eating in in the same way that they eat now. They will still be eating the finest, the finest Iberico pork and whatever. They're not gonna change their habits. And in that respect, that's another parallel that I draw with the Neolithic Revolution because you have a majority, let's say you have a city state like Uruk or whatever, the majority of people are agriculturalists, eat subsisting on their grain slop and beer. And then you have an elite, which may even possibly have been an elite that came in from the outside and conquered the people and subjugated them. So it might not even be the same ethnicity or whatever.

They continue to live lives of plenty as if they are still living on the step or wherever as hunter-gatherers or pastoralists or whatever. And I think that we're in a similar situation now where there will be an elite that continues to eat the finest, the bounties of nature And then everybody else, 10 billion people, the new cattle class, will have this planetary health diet where they will possibly, I mean, it doesn't necessarily say this in the planetary health diet, but I mean, they will work that way. It will work out that way, I think, even if actually the so-called elite will profess these ideas genuinely, they will not feed their children locust powder, even if they say this. I think that one of the most disgusting phrases, we need to feed the world, feed the world. I've

heard this for many years. And of course, at the high level, there is always an industry trying to sell you whatever crappy byproduct of their industry or new invention like the the alternative to seed oil by the virgin Richard Branson, yeah, zero-acre farm, there's always something like some interest like that that stands to make a killing of these things, and they may even believe it when they see it, but of course, yeah, their children won't be subjected to chickpea powder supplements, you know, the way the many would be. But I interrupted you, you were going to talk about your alternative presented in the second half of the book. Yeah, so that's the eggs Benedict option. So the eggs Benedict option is, it's basically, so you've got the great reset, you've got

this planetary health diet, which is the globalist, let's say that's the globalist plan for the future of agriculture. And then what I lay out as the eggs benedict option is the, it's basically raw egg nationalism, but it's a much deeper elaboration of it than anything I've produced so far, and I try to lay out a vision of agriculture that is nationalist, localist, that could potentially almost be a kind of a rallying point really for people to be nationalist, to rally the national community against against globalism but I look to a to quite an interesting unusual place for the model and that's Russia which is not it's not going to be particularly popular now saying that we should be that we should be emulating Russia but the Russian agricultural system is very very interesting so

So they have this, agriculture in Russia basically is divided between the industrial system and the household system. And what that means basically is that ordinary people produce a lot of the food that they eat. And in fact, I think it's something like 50% of all food that is produced by value in Russia is produced in people's own gardens and in countryside plots that they have. So lots of people in the cities have plots outside, in the surrounding countryside that they go to, they cultivate all sorts of plants, they keep livestock, they have chickens for eggs. Yes. So something like 90, I think it's 97% of all potatoes that are eaten in Russia are grown in people's gardens, 67% of all eggs that are consumed or produced by people, 60%

to milk, you know, I mean, it's like incredibly high figures that you just don't see in any other developed nation, really, certainly not in the West. And it's just it's it's a model for sustainable local people centered agriculture, which is the absolute opposite of what the great reset plan is. The great reset plan is corporate agriculture on a global scale like never before. Non-organic, total corporate control, GMO seeds, oceans of glyphosate, all in the name really of corporate control and profit. I mean, they're the ones ultimately who are going to be benefitting. It's not going to be ordinary people because the diet will make them unwell. Yes, and of course, food centralization is one of the dumbest ideas I can think of.

I mean, in the United States, they say that the supermarkets are stocked for two weeks. I doubt it. And I wonder what would happen if some of these supply chains for food break down. I think in four or five days, you talk about Chinese cannibalism, you want to see Detroit or Philadelphia cannibalism. Yeah. Well the interesting thing about the Russian example as well is that So I'm basing a lot of a lot of this on a really really good doctoral thesis that I found about about About the Russian agricultural and household system, but with the fall of the Soviet Union there would have been a famine in Russia There absolutely would have been a famine in Russia if people weren't producing food themselves locally in their gardens

There's no absolutely no doubt about that and that that is what stopped Russia from having a family People produce their own food. Yes That's that's resiliency that because there is an industrial system of agriculture in Russia as well But but you've got different levels, you know, so if one fails Don't have all of your eggs in one basket as it was Whereas you know in in the US then increasingly you know the vast majority of the population is totally dependent on industrial agriculture and if that fails or the supply chains or whatever whatever aspect of it if one aspect of that system fails then you're in trouble yes this is besides the sad aspect of people never having tasted in much of United States and increasingly part of Europe I think but people never having

tasted a real tomato or onion. I think actually most Americans have never tasted real cured meat, you know, in America you have bacon and so but it's not really cured. I don't think they've ever known the taste of real, you mentioned the bérico pork or whatever, but yeah the Spanish know how to cure, the French know how to cure. It's very sad this way and whereas in Russia, I remember I was Crimea in 2007, I think, it was still technically Ukrainian, but everyone there was Russian. Some peasants invited me to their home and they make pork shashlik or whatever, the skewers. And I had never tasted an onion, you know, and I ate organic and so on. But Russia has, they've refused entirely to go with the GMO route, and I think they're

considering going all organic, which, Bhutan I think is first country to go all organic. Yeah, well that's the thing, Russia is an industrial nation, Russia is a powerful, large industrial nation, and it can do it. There's no, I mean, there's one of the statistics that I like is, is that the the total amount of land that is where it's 3% of all the agricultural land in Russia produces 50% of all the food. So it's just people's gardens, right? And that that that amount of land is smaller than the than the amount of lawns in the United States. Yes. So like, don't tell me that you couldn't do it in the United States just, you know, if you just if you started converting people's lawns into, you know, you know, if you do it, you get called all

kinds of names in some of these neighborhoods. Of course, so I exaggerate some people like when you have garden I've seen but what you mentioned now is very dear subject because more and more we see online agents of big corporate interests come with these pre made Again, one of the phrases they use the most is, feed the world. We cannot feed the world. And if you mention organic or in the seed oil debates, people were saying, we don't need your new synthetic crap, we want to go back to what you said, butter and real oils and so forth. They said, no, no, that is not sustainable. We cannot feed billions of people. And that's just one of the most, I hope you and me and others just attack and crush these

people whenever we see that, because so much stupidity goes into that statement, the assumptions that someone in Yalta or in North England or in Florida is responsible for feeding billions of the world, that the food of the world should be centralized, that it should be a global concern. It's extremely noxious things to guilt trip people into eating crap, essentially. That's the point, right? The crap that they make money on. Exactly. They control. Yeah, exactly. Well, that is actually there is actually a section in the introduction of the book where I say, one of the things that we need to avoid doing is falling in the trap of argue is is, yeah, it's not falling into the trap of arguing along the same lines as the people

who are putting forward this planetary health diet and other diets like it, you know, like it's centered around carbon emissions and the need to feed 10 billion people. Well, I don't accept the carbon emission. I mean, I think that we should, well, what I say is I think that we should be better stewards of the environment. Absolutely. I would be the first person to say that, that we need to be better stewards of the environment. I don't think that being an environmentalist consists solely of monitoring and reducing carbon emissions. And then the second thing I say is that yes, this argument about 10 billion people is whose business is that? Why is that an argument for us to give up our way of life, especially when the vast majority of population growth in the world

is outside Europe and the developed, is outside Europe and the Western world? Yes, but somebody in Britain, you see, needs to worry very much about food access in Gambia. Even though it's been shown time and again that if you glut Gambia with food, and please forgive the racism if that's what you want to call it, but if you glut a place like Gambia with food, it won't actually change the food situation. They will just keep having more children, you know, and the food will still not be enough. It's a food limited reproduction in some areas of the world, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the problem with sending aid to the developing world, isn't it? It's not used to increase the living standards of the same number of people.

It's used to provide the same shitty level of living standards for more people. Yes. That's all that ever happens. So, yeah. So, I mean, that's the central part of the book is, or at least a central kind of premise is that we that we need to stop we need to stop accepting their premises about what's going to happen to the world and the kind of moral obligations that we have to transform the food system because they're ridiculous but this is a thing this is a thing that that I think traditionalists and conservatives have a big problem where they they fight their battles on the enemy's ground they let the enemy choose the terrain, and then they've lost basically from the beginning. You know, if I had, if I had built this book around the premises of the World Economic Forum

puts forward, then I couldn't make the argument that I'm making. Yes. No, we need to teach them. We need to teach them the frog ways. You have to rub, not rub, you have to pull the rug from under feet of other men. Not Yeah, but no, this very good so raw egg just in closing you you name the book egg Benedict this one of my favorite foods you you can make your own sauce for that you make your own snots I do yeah I can yeah I was I was very briefly a chef so I I do I do I do have some skills and there will be a recipe for eggs Benedict in the book yes it's very good maybe we eat egg Benedict one time we take photograph for a magazine. I want this. We have a Caribbean Suriname escape and I have various women there with bare breasts and they make egg benedict and other treats for us.

I think this is a good advertisement. Roeg, I've been keeping you for quite a while. I thank you very much for joining me i hope we talk soon and uh yes it's my pleasure thank you very good until next time bap out