Yes, I drink a bottle of cheap Chile Merlot wine that the hotel provided, I think, to try sabotage me. And listen, I told you I would never do recording drunk. And I lied. This first time experimental slight tipsy episode of Caribbean Rhythm, episode 164. Should I use reggaeton on this show? I am only pretending to be slight tips. I was on the street some years ago and a policeman came, he said, you are wobbling about, you're a disgrace, you're a disgraceful faggot, what are you doing walking like this? I will take my cane. He was going to cane my shins, or what you call the back of the shins. I think it's called calves, the lower calves. He wanted to slam a rubber baton on my calves. And I say, officer, I am not actually drunk. I had only two or three drinks.

I lied, I had had more than that, but I am not actually drunk. I am only pretending this for spectator view to show that this what drunkenness looks like. It's a performative act. I'm just doing this because I'm expected to because I had drinks. And I think that, and I gave him equivalent 100 zog bucks and it convinced him. But look, what can I tell you? I was asked by friends to do emergency broadcast on Trump execution, or is it conviction? But I don't want to do that. I didn't want to because it felt like nothing to me. And I think to most Americans also. And now I think I was right not to rush and say, oh, it's topical news, I must do this. I mean, of course, in the larger scheme of things, Trump's persecution is very much like Jesus' persecution at hands of Pharisees or at hands of,

they say now the Romans, but really it was the priestly establishment and such. And he will be remembered, the glorious man in American history who broke it at crucial point, I think. He will be, I think, far more consequential for future Americas in Lincoln FDR who are sometimes called by various both on left and right they are called the re-establishes of America because I think America went through variety of regime change with Andrew Jackson, Lincoln and FDR at least those but I think Trump will represent something even bigger than that he whether or not he manages to win again and make reforms. Even what happened against him so far, he will be remembered as a kind of Marius figure in American history, prefiguring a future Caesar.

Which may very well be me, and you say, how can that be? Because I am not born in United States. But anything is possible after Obama, who is a, so everybody knows his so-called wife, Although the marriage was not legal because it's not legal under the laws of Islam. But his marriage to Michael Obama, Michelle, is actually a man. People do know this. The children were stolen from Malawi and Obongo himself, born Sotoro, is also a transsexual but he's a female to male transsexual from Indonesia. And this is my information, that his father was a man from Papua New Guinea and he became, he was born a woman but became a man. This is my information. Look, this is like freestyle show, Giorgiavela, I cannot get her out of my mind. She TikTok star, she, I think Italian, Mexico raised TikTok star.

She makes some unusual hand gestures to hip-hops that I cannot get out of my head because they're so bizarre. It's like she's 1960s movie pretending to be Mediterranean witch in 1960s movie. You look up Giorgia Vella. But yes, I was saying Obama, he become not only first female to male transsexual to be President United States but everyone knows he was born in Indonesia then they pretended to Kenya. You know there were hearings in Senate over John McCain who I despise because he also is not what he appears he was maturity and candidate in Vietnam I've commented on this excuse to repeat but he was captured in Vietnam They opened up his skull, removed brain, put in a large central vacuole with a cubozoan,

which is a kind of jellyfish with intentions of unknown origin that control his nervous system and then later he was executed also at Guantanamo Bay. But John McCain, actually there were hearings in the Senate when he was running for President over whether he was eligible because he was technically born, I think, on Panama Canal Zone, which you should never visit Panama. It's a construction project masquerading as a country and it's full of Ewoks. That whole area from Panama Canal up to, I think, maybe Mexico City at least, but further north of Mexico City, I suspect, has been completely abandoned by gods. There's nothing there. It's completely misbegotten land. It feels desolate. I can't explain it. You go

and there's this harsh sun beating down on trees, even in Costa Rica, a land of great beauty, but it feels completely forsaken land. So, anyway, that's where John McCain was born, And then there were hearings. But of course, American law is that if you are born of two American citizens, even I think if you're born outside the United States, you are American citizen. And he was born of United States territory at the time, Panama Canal. The point is, there were never such hearings on Obama who self-advertised, I think, on the book release as having been born in Kenya, which I think was a lie. I think on his sealed college transcripts, it will be shown that he was a female Indonesian and possibly had worked as in the hand job trade or so.

But look, if he can become president, why not I someday? After all, Hitler did say, I am not he, but I prepared the way for his coming. And could that, again, just throwing out this question out there, could he have been referring to somebody else. But look, what I'm trying to tell you about the Trump persecution, it's complete let down, I think, for the left. Its equivalent would be a man, a dork-a-loid, try to hit on a woman, and let's say he try to use this tactic game, but he uses very badly. He fumbles every word. This is equivalent to what the leftoid press and establishment tried to do with Russia hoax on Trump during his first term. And so he maybe manages to harass this woman to make things difficult for her and unpleasant

at nightclub, bar, and to say stupid word, stupid game, to spout stupid game. for an entire year, nothing happens. And then finally, he manages to slip GHB into her Corona beer and she passes out and he uses the back of her hand to rub his genitals. Please don't have children listening to show, I drunk. He uses the back of this target woman's hands to rub his genitals against her and he considers that a victory. And that, to me, is analogy to what happened. It felt like nothing. And I am glad that, again, I didn't do show because by now even Libtards are saying and Leftoids complain that, oh, the news is already gone. Nobody's talking anymore about Trump conviction. So they know it meant nothing. It's such huge case of crying wolf and much worse than crying wolf,

building this up for years and years and finally what should be their winning moment, they finally get conviction, but again it feel like a drunk out fake hand job or even worse because I think actually an analogy that would work is if this man who was very clumsily using game on a woman who didn't and never succeeding with her, but then he manages to bang her Filipina maid in front of her. Her 25% Negrito genetics Filipina maid banging in front of her as a way to spite her or something like this. It's all driven by petty spite. Paul Krugman saying on TVs, Oh, Trump now is a convict and he was billing himself as a winner, but now he has lost a court case, so therefore his mystique as a winner is gone. Aren't you red-blooded American males going to abandon, aren't you red-blooded American

males ages 18 to 45 going to abandon Trump the same, you know, you call someone on phone when you are working as telemarketer you say yes hello my name yes hello is this L Smith can I have your credit card number you know that's your pitch and this Paul Krugman is very clumsy trying to build this as some type Trump loss but no I think Trump won he now get credit as dissident leader. And there was other, I think, absurd article claim that Mr. Trump is the first head of state in 20th century who will have been convicted as a felon before potentially serving for president again in his case. And I think this complete falls. You look East Bloc, this old, not all, but many great East Bloc, the signature East Bloc

resistance leaders all had to stay in jail, like Valesa, Vaclav Havel, they went to jail. Then they become leaders of their country. Then of course everyone knows on, let's say, left-oid nationalist, ethnic resistance leader Mandela, he was in jail. I think Hugo Chavez was in jail and there are many others, there are many others. Most relevant recently is Lula, a case roughly analogous to Trump. I think Glenn Greenwald might say this. I think actually Lula was genuinely corrupt, but you could make case the way Glenn Greenwald did that a new liberal establishment in Brazil persecuted Lula, put him in jail for trump up false charges. But then he was exonerated by Judge Rand against Bolsonaro and won in the recent election. I think that was bad for Brazil.

And maybe Glenn Greenwald has come around to agree with me when he sees the great infringements on free speech that are taking place in that country under so-called Lula, although it's actually judicial tyranny in that country. Regardless of whether Mr. Greenwald agrees, I think a very relevant example is how can people say this about Trump being first or unprecedented. For American case, certainly he is unprecedented and the retort to everything I just said would be, well, America is leader of the world and the first world country. That's what we meant. It's only in the context of a first world country that you don't get felons. But maybe America for all its greatness has switched to some kind of second world status

After all, remember, even to the end of its existence, the Soviet Union was producing top quality chemical, metallurgical products, engines, it still sold engines of satellites and the rockets to United States before Elon, I think. And that didn't change the fact that you had in 1990s Russia, people injecting crocodile and stuffing glue and dying of massive alcohol poisoning. So perhaps America enters some kind of already of second state, second world status, excuse me. And Mr. Trump getting convicted, maybe best thing that could happen for him to realize historical possibilities, his historical mission, which before he had a haze over him, the haze of continuity, of boomer continuity. But now, for people like, let's say, if you know this man Richard Barris, he's a very good pollster.

I'm just using him as an example, but he mentioned, he made a very big deal out of this conviction when it happened. He said it tore American social contract to thunder and so forth. Look, that may be true, I only care if it's true in Trump mind, and if he happened to he can use this event to energize him. But yes, in terms of legal stop to his campaign, I doubt there will be any. This will likely be overturned. And even the best case scenario, I think, would be for him to end up in jail and then to win the election from jail. And he will come out with hand up-fisted In the same way Yeltsin did, although Yeltsin not such a happy comparison, but Valesa did also, I think, hand upfisted. I guess I shouldn't say this phrase, hand upfisted.

You know, when they raise their fist and the crowd goes awoo and yes. And other East Bloc, Havel, other such, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, They were all in jail and they become president of great power. And so, Mr. Trump, when you come in, the first act should be to close down Netflix. Because this war in Ukraine, by the way, was caused in part by Netflix. I heard this from Ukrainians and their friends themselves. I know I have Ukrainian fans and Ukrainian patriots. I have nothing against their country. I've said this from the very beginning of this war, but it did happen that in 2014, when Russia took over, I think it was in 2014 or 2013, they took back Crimea. And at that point, there were people in Odessa and Kharkov who were waving Russian flags.

And so you wonder what happened so fast since 2014 to 2022. It's not that long a time and yet the people in Kharkov are no longer waving Russian flags apparently. Is that only because of intimidation? The naive response I was given even by supporters of Ukrainians is that there had been several Netflix specials, apparently propagandistic specials, teaching Ukrainians not so much the glories of their own culture and history and such, which in my view is not really separable from Russia. But leaving that aside, there was no actual positive, true vision of Ukraine's unique history presented. Instead, it was stories of victimization at the hands of the Soviets and the Russians. So I think this kind of, that not only Netflix specializes in, but the entire media government

complex of especially United States but part of West Europe too. This kind of engendering of group identities through feelings of rage at victimization. I think, well, it's indictment of group feeling belongingness in general. But regardless, I hope Trump bans Netflix not so much because of the Ukraine thing, but because a recent remake on Netflix of the Ripley story. You may know the talented Mr. Ripley. This is Patricia Highsmith, I think it was her name, novel from 1950s about a striver, poor psychotic homosexual from New York, I think, goes to Italy to bring back rich playboys that his father disapproves of his carousing lifestyle. So he hires a man who he thinks is his son's close friend to go there and convince him to come back.

And the story is that this psychotic ends up murdering the WASP playboy and impersonating him. And there have been several versions of this story told. There is the talented Mr. Ripley with Jude Law as the playboy and Matt Damon as the psychotic impersonator. There is a 1960, I think, version called, in English, it's Purple Sun. It's with Alain Delon. Many people prefer this because, of course, it's French and Alain Delon is very handsome. In some ways, he's also more creepy than the Matt Damon character. But I think the Matt Damon, Jude Law telling of this is better than the French one because Matt Damon captured very well the striver aspect, the class striver aspects which are important to this tale.

There is also still a third version before this Netflix one was made called The American Friend I think with Dennis Hopper in Berlin, but I will devote maybe an entire segment of future episodes to that one. But in any case, this story, as retold by Netflix, is very bad because it's made black and white, first of all, and what a mistake. This story takes place all over Italy, but it starts in Naples, I think a city that's supposed to represent Amalfi, it's one of the most colorful parts of this world. Why render it black and white to give what? Some association to the watcher of film noir moodiness, but it doesn't work for this kind of story because in both the French version with Alain Delon and the one with Matt Damon,

the real pleasure of it is watching the lifestyle of these expatriate wasps who are very careless and the character played by Jude Law especially is very charming. He is a complete playboy and womanizer in the original story. But in this story of Netflix, all I want to tell you is it's made obviously by someone who is butthurt. Butthurt is all I feel at this remake because the character of the rich playboy whose father trying to get him back, and so forth, all his womanizing is edited out, all the parties are edited out. He's made to be this kind of stay at home with delusions of being an artist, which was partly in the original story as well, but Jude Law actually shows him to be multi-talented and maybe lacks focus. He, image of Plato's democratic man,

does one thing one day and the next gives up actually playing quite competently saxophone to learn the drums. And it is these changes that actually outrage his friends but also charm and seduce them. At one point, the Matt Damon character, Moral Fags, he feels abandoned, why you give up saxophone to do drums, you're unpredictable, you are volatile, you are not dependable, he doesn't use these words, but you may have had friends or acquaintances who if you are somewhat like this, they get indignant that, oh, I thought you were interested in that, but now you're interested in this, yes, thank you, I have evolving passions, but I'm not saying I'm like that. I believe in one aspect, in one mission of life, and this is why I relentlessly pursue Exocet nuclear-tipped weapon missiles.

I am joking, I have no capacity to get such weapons, nor any interest, I joke. So this original story, extreme charming, in the Alain Delon version, this rich playboy go on street, he buys a cane because he's plastered drunk in the middle of boulevard and walks around pretending to be drunk, picks up a woman, he's engaged to this beautiful girl with artsy pretensions, another fellow expatriate wasp, but he carries on all kinds of affairs. believes this part of the charm of original story, but all of it is edited out. He is made into this, in the original story he was maybe in his mid-twenties, maybe at most in his late twenties, but I think the story is in his mid-twenties. And in this story he is some middle-aged faggot who is dependent on his very solid girlfriend

and who has delusions of, you know, he talks about this was my blue period or things like that. He imagines himself a Picasso. So all the charming aspects of what would have been expat wasp life at that time that entranced this writer, that's all edited out. He's made to be pathetic. Then the character of the psycho, who in both stories was played by Alain Delon, very good-looking man, and then Matt Damon, who also is young and good-looking in this movie, talented Mr. Ripley. But here he is also played by middle-aged, kind of prim faggot, always looks like he You know, the kind has a needle in his ass and he's very aggressive, autistic type, blank personality. I very much did not enjoy this rewritten, these characters they did, as a rational criminal and excuse.

And the story does not work with Ripley as a rational type cold-blooded, even though they do concede in the Netflix version that he's a petty criminal in New York running various scams and identity theft scams and this, you know, he steals people's mail and then gets payments from the bank or something like this. But the story doesn't work with him as a rational criminal. I'll give you one telltale example and leave it at that. At one point in the original story, in this one as well, after Ripley kills this Playboy Wasp character that he impersonates, he then goes to Rome and he rents an apartment in Rome and decorates it in what he imagines to be an upper-class fashion but is readily recognized by the playboys friends as a bourgeois

striver fashion which makes one of them quite suspicious hey he wouldn't decorate his apartment like this it's you know he takes these statue busts and There's a few other things you do, maybe he doesn't go so far as put lace curtain, but that kind of thing, you know. And why does he do this? Because from a cold-blooded criminal point of view, this doesn't make sense. He does it because he's fucking insane, he's mentally ill, he doesn't kill for the thrill of killing or even for material gain, he does it because he desperately wants to embody this kind of life and this particular man who he feels lust and love for but who discards him after getting bored of him, you know, who was never interested in him in any case as any more than an amusement.

And so then he desperately wants to replay that embodiment somehow. And in this story that whole aspect is deleted. You can see what the writer of the Netflix special was especially bothered by because all these kinds of class insecurity references which were central to the original story are edited out and he's reimagined as a cold-blooded money seeker who just kills this guy because he sees an opportunity. But again, it doesn't work. That kind of guy would not stick around in Italy and try to impersonate his ex-friend in places where his other friends could run into him so easily, so it doesn't make sense. But you can see why it was done. He felt especially offended by those commentary that this quasi-serial killer was motivated

by envy, by class envy for what was actually a very charming type of playboy wasp who yes was a frivolous man but was very seductive and all the fun aspects of this story which are the karousing are taken out instead it becomes a ponderous story and Netflix all All of it appears to be this kind of heavy moral fagging. Even the recent remake of Tom Wolfe, Man in Full, very much has this aspect. I could not stand the expository of this story, Man in Full, where they show very court case, black attorney. I know that was part of Tom Wolfe's book, but in present context, it come off as woke ponderous commentary. Anyway, Netflix crap should be absolute banned by act of Congress or edict of a reawakened American imperial presidency. But yes, until Trump come to power,

I am still provisional president of the United States. I extend my aura of protection to all of my audience who has endured me in this drunken rant episode. I hope you enjoyed. For rest of show, I will have special guests talk about Europe, a politic election result situation. I hear also that Mr. Hunter Biden has just been convicted on all counts of felony something. So he's a felon apparently. And now this is perhaps done to show that system is fair. But I believe Mitch McConnell also about to appoint National Reconciliation Committee United States Congress to discuss Hunter Biden, the problem of Hunter Biden prodigious cock. This has been major part of discourse, political United States for last two years. And also the tattoo on his upper back. What is the significance of that?

Maybe he comes clean now. Very exciting time. Will the banks fail? Is Bitcoin going to become a world currency? This variety show. I will be right back. Caribbean Rhythms, episode 164. I am here special guest, my friend, Eugene Pius. Many of you know him from COVID times. He was, maybe, most insightful commentator during that period, and many have grown to love him for information that he provided during difficult COVID time, not available anywhere else. But I know him also as writer on many other topic. And you get this. I hope I am not being indiscreet, but you are German and you know a lot about situation in Germany and Europe and now there seem to be this momentous election when AFD, a right-wing

immigration restriction party, become I think second biggest party in Germany or is it the European elections? I am completely ignorant what's going on but everyone talking, there was a huge change. Maybe Europeans, they say populist parties, resurgent in France, Germany, other places too. Welcome to show you, Gepius, what's going on in Germany. Thank you so much for having me, Bap. It's an enormous pleasure to be on Caribbean Rhythms. Yes. So, obviously, the AFD, Alternativee für Deutschland, the Alternative for Germany is the party's name. They are sort of our right populist party here and they've just came out of the European elections as the second strongest party in Germany overall, so just in Germany

but second strongest, second to the CDU, the centre-right union parties and the head of Social Democrats and everybody else. So that is the big story. They got 15.9% of the vote in the final tally, which is, so they were, just for perspective, they were polling around 23% last fall, so they've taken a hit for two reasons mainly. One is there's new competition, so Sarah Wagenknecht, sort of former SED politician from the East, set up a kind of old left party to try to also take some of the protest vote. It's not a good word, but take some of the dissatisfied vote also in the East. And so Sarah Wagenknecht is doing fairly well also. So she's taken a few points from RFA, but also the RFA has just faced a constant carpet bombing propaganda campaign, very similar actually to COVID times,

with the coordination of the media, scandal after scandal, massive protests, everything. After all of that, they still claim 16% of the vote. It's very strong showing. I was surprised they were that strong. I think they were a little surprised too. And it's been a massive humiliation for the German political establishment. There's a lot of energy in the air right now. It feels good, man. Yes, I wanted to ask you about mood in Germany right now, but before we get to that, you mentioned that they faced some splinter parties that try to also capture the dissatisfaction vote. You mentioned an SED, what is that? I don't know what this is. Yeah, so that's the SED, of course, is the old socialist unity party from the DDR, so from communist East Germany.

And Sarah Wagenknecht was a politician in the SED and then the Left Party. She is a big political figure, kind of political celebrity in Germany. She was part of an important politician in Die Linke, the Left Party, which is the SED successor in unified Germany. And Wagenknecht has then gone on to found her own party, the Alliance for Sarah Wagenknecht, which is just this sort of egotistical operation, according to me. It's mainly sort of split the left. So it's split the left, and I think it will really be the death of Delinca. But it's reviving a lot of old left ideas, for especially, I think, older German voters in the East find it appealing. And it's pulled a few percentage points away from RFD, but that was to be expected. So what can you do about it?

We also get the destruction of Delinca, which also is good, I think. Yes, by Old Left, you mean old-style Labour Left populism with social democracy, welfare programs, this kind of thing. I guess I'm trying to get to what was main driving question of this election. You say dissatisfaction, but the satisfaction over what and what were main issues that these protest parties were going for? Yes, so there's, I would say, sort of two main issues, so the Wackenknecht Party, but also a lot of RFD voters are very exhausted with the war in Ukraine and want there to be some sort of peace initiative. Yes, yes, you get, yes, I think they may be interrupting your signal, yes. No, sorry, sorry, a cleaning lady came by, not from Berlin. No, it was not cleaning, it was not cleaning lady.

It may be an agent of American and German intelligence services. Please go on. Yes, it could be something like that. Yes, very mysterious timing. So anyways, talking about the two issues, there's dissatisfaction with Ukraine war with weapons deliveries. This also goes somewhat to German history with a lot of the peace propaganda we've been fed since 1945, of course, so sudden sort of pivot to very Atlanticist war, aggressive war propaganda for Ukraine sits poorly with a lot of Germans, and the second issue I would say is just frustration with Eurocrat nonsense and EU bullshit. So everything from farmer regulations, fertilizer, nonsense, testing nitrogen levels in soil to cause heavy taxation, the entire EU cloud of bureaucracy and senseless climate policies

and so forth is the other major vector of dissatisfaction. Those are pretty typical to all of Europe, I would say. Yes, I do not see migration and migrants, was that a major issue in this election? Of course, of course. I sort of put that under the EU nonsense umbrella. The problem is that no single party really has any clear way to stopping migration, even if, I mean, I've become very pessimistic about this. So it's even if, of course, RFD, even if RFD is the most migration skeptic party right now, Sarah Walgenknecht and her alliance, they are also light migration skeptics, they're not as hardcore on this as RFD are, but the problem is, of course, the entire legal apparatus that allows this to happen or these constructs around asylum and human rights courts and so

forth are much higher than the national level. So these parties can talk about migration, but there are much more immediate issues where they can have more concrete proposals. So it's important to, I think, keep one's eye on the smaller things. Yes, I am just curious. You mentioned, I cannot pronounce her name, but this Sarah person who is championing some kind of old left. You say she is light migration restriction. I understand the prior waves of migrants into Germany post-war. They were primarily not brought in by humanitarian and left reasoning about human rights, but it was for cheap labor and so on. And is this person, Sarah Wagner, is she pushing that line that it helps the big corporate conglomerates and is she pushing the old left anti-migration line?

That's definitely a part of it, but there's clear, so there was a kind of, it's sort of odd to talk about, but in the communist east there was a kind of light nationalist sentiment that has totally been stamped out in the West and this sort of idea that the government had to represent the German workers and so forth. So that's also an element of Wagenknecht's political message. I would say that in her current party, in her current incarnation, she's played that down a lot. The migration skeptic stuff is in her books and some speeches she gave earlier. But the party definitely has made it known in subtle ways that they are not totally happy with migration. They're trying to set themselves up is sort of to take all the votes that the Social Democrats used to have, you know, the

unions and so forth, all those votes that have walked away and now vote for the RFA increasingly. Yes, but just to clarify, are you saying that migration, although there is widespread dissatisfaction and some talk in political campaigns, that it's out of the hands of any of the parties because of the German constitution, if I understand you right? So it's not even an issue they can tackle once they get power or something like this? No, no, no. I don't mean to say, well, of course, now there's a whole wall of jurisprudence that makes this very difficult to deal with, including court decisions that make it sort of a fundamental human right to get social entitlements and so forth, all this ridiculous shit. So that's a whole other thing to tackle.

But it's more that what actually enables migration to Europe is this entire international, EU-level, court of human rights-level governmental overlays. So the international institutions are the jurisprudence around asylum and so forth. All this is much bigger than any single country. So there's a lot Germany could do if they were elected to majority tomorrow. There's a lot they could do. but it would involve doing a lot of, it would potentially involve open conflict with existing EU bureaucracy, it would involve leaving the Human Rights Convention, Geneva, it would require doing a lot of very drastic things that I'm not, I don't know, Germans are conservative. But that's just the point. Germans are conservative, they are very efficient, but they also could be called at times bureaucratic,

Could a German party, I know we're veering off main topic, but it's, let's say, a party like AFD or even the old left one you mentioned, although they don't seem to have prospects from what you say, but if something like that had governing coalition, could they do it in a German low-key bureaucratic way, being difficult bureaucratically, just not taking things ideologically head-on, but through bureaucratic obstruction, you know, is that possible? Yes, that's one path. They could do it, yes. I think sort of a malicious compliance path is not inconceivable. I really think that leaving the Geneva Convention on Human Rights would be an important first step in this direction, which would seem a little bit radical. But I had another idea about how this might work out in the end,

which is that what really has to happen is a major European state, whether it's Germany or France, can't be a small one, one, but a major one, has to cut entitlements. And then that will place migrant pressure much higher on other countries. So one of the reasons Germany is so committed to giving migrants hundreds of euros every month for nothing is that we're trying to take the pressure off other countries to also allow them to keep their borders open so we can absorb many migrants because the German establishment regards, of course, the European Union as is a kind of, I don't know, trade confederation that works for the benefit of German industry. So that's increasingly less the case now that we're deindustrializing, but that's kind of the theory.

So the political establishment wants to keep migration possible and politically acceptable to neighboring states by absorbing a lot of migrant pressure which German government with the RFD in charge could do is cut entitlements. This would involve, of course, a big legal battle with our own courts, but say we did that, say we succeeded, then all the migrants would go to France and they would go to Scandinavian countries, Sweden. They would go, of course, they would find their way back into Italy and so forth. And then there would be a race to the bottom within the EU and within Schengen to cut entitlements everywhere because nobody wants this anymore. And then what would happen probably is Schengen would be suspended, countries would reimpose border security,

EU would be, I don't know, on life support at that point. It could happen very fast. So this is not even my scenario. Various political scientists have talked about this as well, German political scientists, as the possible future development of Germany cannot absorb this pressure. So I think there's a clear way out here. Yes, one point I'd like to make is that whatever may have happened in a European recent past after World War II, when big, let's say, corporate conglomerates did want cheap labor, and so they were at times, in Europe, not United States, partly or mostly responsible for the initial waves of migrants. That's completely changed now, right, where the migrants are coming for benefits, given out for supposedly human rights purposes, and they are a net drain on the economy.

So this path you mentioned I hope can work very soon, but when AFD, you say, get 15% of vote, I think in Denmark, the immigration restriction populist strike party, when it passed 10%, the women social democrat leader there saw a chance to co-opt that. And so this sanitary cordon is called, right, which kept all the populist strike parties out of any governing coalition, or at least their issues. That goes away when they hit 10, 11, 12%. Do you think this is possible scenario for Germany where even, let's say, social democrats or the establishment center-right party could pick up migration restriction just to try to take issue away from AFD and these other populist parties? Yes, I think it's sort of hard to imagine right now, but I think they have to do this or destroy themselves.

Right now the social democrats are already becoming a nothing party. I think the only people who still vote for them are some naturalized migrants and people who just sort of whose grandfathers voted for them and they're sort of grandfathered into being SPD voters, but very few people find them to be a compelling party anymore. And you can tell the quality of their personnel, they're all like Karl Lauterbach, these horrible sort of vampiric effigies, they're just very bad. The party has decayed also in terms of its human quality. So I think there's not much future for the Social Democrats to assume anti-migration positions, and of course they're full of migration-insane people right now. But I think it's possible and conceivable that sooner or later the union parties buckle

and begin adopting some of the RFA positions. And the first great crisis is going to be this fall, where there's elections in East Germany. And the thing to remember is that in East Germany, the RFA are much stronger than they are even in the West. So nationwide, say, they just won the election 16, 15.9%, but in East Germany they are consistently over 30%. And they are, especially in Turin and in Saxony, they are 35%, probably 34, 35%. They are by far the strongest party there. And the Cordon Sanitaire, as you said, the sanitary corridor that they tried to use to keep the IFD out of government, that on the verge of being so big in the East, especially in Saxony and Turin, that it will be impossible for the other parties to form majority governments

without the AfD. So they'll have government crises. It's very possible that happens in Turin or Saxony in the coming fall. And it's especially possible there because the SPD, they've decayed even more in the east. So it's very likely that either in Turin or Saxony, I think they're a little bit stronger in Brandenburg, but in Turin or Saxony, they're not even able to make the five percent limit to get into the state parliament. So then everyone voting for the SPD, the votes don't count, and this makes the IFD relatively stronger overall and makes it even harder for the CTU to form coalitions without them. So I think they really were on the verge of a serious crisis here, where the CTU will be at first the state level, not nationally, but the state level CTU in the east will be

forced to think very hard about breaking down the Cordon Sanitaire, to join coalitions with IFD or if they don't want to do that, to begin adopting IFD positions. Of course Merkel was in charge for a long time in the CDU, she's filled it with her own people and a lot of them are just, I don't know, kind of the automata. It's not the... Well, they're the typical last-man euro bureaucrat with the blank eyes. Just for the audience, the CDU is the Christian Democrat center-right party, Merkel's party. I want to ask you about the mood in Germany, that's the most interesting part, but before we get to that, you mentioned the war in Ukraine as one of the main issues of this election. Can you comment more on that?

Because I look to Meloni, Italy, and she ran on being very hawkish on Ukraine, I think to Italy's detriment and to Europe's detriment. And she had opponents, however, who were saying, I think quite rightly, Europe cannot profit from this taking Ukraine's side so strongly. Our industry in part depends on good relationship with Russia. We will all suffer if we take Ukraine's side. And nevertheless, the Italian people voted for her and apparently in this election, I I think they also rewarded her despite the pain that Italy has felt regarding from this war with Ukraine. I think Germany even worse pain, right? The German industry is slowly shutting down because of the anti-Russian sanctions are actually in some way anti-German sanctions. Correct me if I'm wrong, you get this.

But can you comment more on this, what's going on because a situation in Europe seems strange to me. It looked like Maloney win while Italian people know these arguments. But you're saying in Germany, AFD, they do very well because the German people are finally turning against war in Ukraine or what going on? Well, the war as a product of two forces, I would say first the energy crisis we had in 2022, the whole Nord Stream thing and the shortage of gas and the extreme expense of energy, which is still pretty expensive, though that's gotten a little bit better. That one reason and the other reason is really, I would say, this general sort of peace orientation of German politics since even before the Cold War, a reluctance to be a party to armed conflict.

Germany famously, under Schroeder, avoided participation in the Iraq War in 2003 and so forth. So there's a very strong orientation German political culture, which also is problematic for Ukraine, and the war is increasingly unpopular. A solid majority of Germans believe we send far too many weapons to Ukraine and so forth, but all the coalition party, establishment parties, the party cartel system are very closed ranks around this. And according to me, the reason is pretty clear. It's that Atlanticism is a very deep political tradition and something from which all the parties benefit, even though it's not something the voters like very much. So Germany rearming, for example, would make some of our neighbors nervous because of various beliefs about 1940s history.

And so German politicians want to maintain this pan-European friendliness, which again is useful for trade reasons and for the EU. So they don't want to have a large army. They like the Americans to do that instead, and this involves swallowing a lot of unproductive American policy positions. This is one of the reasons why IFD makes them so angry, because they question these relationships. So there's a lot of upside to being war skeptical. I wouldn't say pro-Russian, that's not really even the position of the Sarovak connect party, but they're very war skeptical, and IFD, not all of them, but a lot of them also have war skeptical elements, and there's a lot to be gained from that, And you see there's a huge amount of political energy in this direction. You saw even Olaf Scholz, even sort

of dissipated personage like this, was trying to posture as a peace chancellor back in February and March by opposing towers, missile deliveries, and so forth. So it's a very tempting thing for politicians to do. And at least the outside parties, like AfD and so forth, are free to do that. So I think the dynamics are a little different than they Yes. During election, you mentioned some matters, World War II, which of course is always brought up to guilt-trip Germans and so forth, and especially any party that can be painted as right-wing, as they are attacking AFD coordinated media manner, as you say. there was controversy about some AFD leader saying that not all SS men were criminal or something like that, correct me if I'm wrong, but can you explain what

happened to that and did that event have any effect you think on election outcome? Yes, that was really the last in a long line of sort of false manufactured controversies that have struck the AFD since really the election campaigns for the parliamentary elections began. So it's been going on since January. It's been very exhausting. They sprung this one at the last moment. So Maximilian Kra, who's the leading candidate for AfD for the EU elections in Germany, he gave an interview to La Republica, an Italian newspaper. And they asked him really a trap question, according to me. I doubt it was in good faith about Germans' attitudes towards their ancestors and so forth in the war. And they asked him specifically about the Schutzstaffel, the SS. And he said that their guilt depended

upon what they had done. And they said, well, but the SS were criminals. And he said, well, they weren't all criminals, which is objectively true. Many young men, underage men, 17, 16-year-olds, were recruited into the Waffen-SS at the end of the war. They died in heavy fighting. They weren't criminals. Many of us have ancestors like this. And this was a normal thing to say in German politics well to the 90s. This is not a crazy position, but they made it be a big all, you know, Maximilian Kras defending the Nazis and the SS. And it did have consequences. So the ID faction in the EU parliament, they used it as an opportunity to sort of profile themselves as not being extreme right. and they cut off, they kicked out the IFD delegates, so the IFD is no longer part of

identity and democracy, which is the nationalist EU parliament faction. That was largely Le Pen. I think she's working very hard to profile herself as not quite far-right, as being a little bit less than far-right. Yes, I hope, you know, I'm not mischaracterizing what happened, but I think Le Pen just came out to the statement that she, although she has the opportunity to form a unity right party in France, she is refusing to because she will not associate in any way with Eric Zimmuur or something like this. Yes, it's the exact same thing with Zimmuur, it's exactly the same, the re-conquest right has to also be like the IFDA, someone you distance yourself from and so forth. Yes, but she denounced this man, Maximilian Kraj, you're saying Le Pen did.

I'm not sure if she personally did, but it was definitely, I believe she was the driving force behind this. And then Krahe is now, he's also been kicked out, though he won, of course he won his seat in the EU Parliament, he's also been kicked out of the RFD delegation, so he'll be fractionless in the coming EU Parliament. That's somewhat unfortunate, he's a good man, he wrote a good book, but he was of course of the absolute focal points of these attacks. Before this, there were these false scandals about Chinese influence and so forth. They're very tiresome stories, but yes. Yes, absurd moral fagging. By the way, what book? I didn't know if you wrote the book. It's in German. I forget the exact title, but I bought ten copies of it because they

were attacking him for writing it. So I put them in the local book. What is the topic of the book? It's about what it is to be right-wing, what is the right in politics. Oh, yes. No, this is interesting. I hope some of these translated United States and Anglo world in general, I think quite ignorant about European political situation. But we mentioned France and Italy. Do you have information or opinions of what's happening outside Germany with these elections in Europe in general? It was overturning in France as well, yes. Yes, I'm very interested in the events in France, which I've also been reading about, so I'm sure you know, and your readers perhaps also know by now, that Renaissance, Macron's

party did terrible in the EU Parliament elections, they got less than half of what the National Rally Party of Le Pen and got, so it's a humiliating blow to them. So there's 30% to 14-something percent, I believe. And Macron responded by immediately dissolving the National Assembly, which is the lower house of French parliament, and calling for new elections to be held, I believe, in late June, early July, because there are always two tiered elections. So that was probably the biggest immediate fallout from this election. They are also, the Prime Minister of Belgium resigned, so there's that too. The Vivaldi coalition is collapsed, not collapsed, but seems to be in doubt in Belgium, so two big results. What's happening in Belgium, I mean, nobody knows anything about that, or do you know

what's going on in Belgium? Well, what happens in Belgium is that they hold their national and regional parliamentary elections at the same time as the EU Parliament elections, which is not a bad idea. I think everyone should do that. It would force everyone to vote at the same time. But the crew lost his coalition majority, so the right party is the Flemish one and the, I forget the name of the other one, they are now at 17 and 16 percent, so he's out. They have to try to to form a new government basically. I don't know if the Flemish one, is that the Flem's Belang? Yeah, exactly that one, yes, yes. Yes, this could. I mean, I hope Europe can just enact soft, low-key, even Eurocratic migration restrictions simply by doing what you said earlier,

just slowly cut off the bennies, the benefits. I mean, all the third world now streaming into Europe for Gibbs, everyone knows this, you know? It's ridiculous. Look at the success both Denmark and Hungary have had just by not giving them anything. It's very clear Denmark had almost no asylum applications in 2023, it was amazing. And Hungary, of course, has basically zero. All you have to do is not pay these people anything. And they won't enter your country anymore, they'll go elsewhere. So it's a very simple, easy solution here. It's low-hanging fruit, we should try that first. Yes, I want this. I want to go, I recently said, you get this, I don't know if you agree with this, I was recently in Paris and it's not quite what the dissident so-called online sphere makes it out to be.

It's still a very pleasant city, but there are pockets of some unpleasantness even in Paris. On the other hand, I heard in provincial France, in Strasbourg, for example, which you probably think should be a German city, I don't know. But I heard such cities are just, they do actually have too many migrants. You know, Europe should think, right, France wants to be a luxury destination, tourism for Chinese tourists. The Chinese tourists, you don't want to shock them. They come there, they see kebab merchants, entire streets of kebab merchants in Strasbourg. I'm joking, I'm sorry, you're gipious, I'm drinking this wine. You're drinking beer, I understand. Yes, I'm sorry, I lost you for a second there, I think Zorg is attacking us again or something.

No, your made, your Filipina made his cut-off connection, I don't know what she's doing, but... She wants more attention, perhaps, or something, yes. Yes, no, I was just imagining the streets of kebab vendors in Strasbourg and how they would horrify the Chinese tourists, you know, and that maybe it's in France's benefit to just cut off the benefits for the 11 children of the kebab vendor. But look, I was drinking too much. What beer do you drink? What beer are you drinking? I'm drinking Augustina. It's a Munich beer. But what's… It's a lager. It's a lager? I like tradition of beer without hops and I think this was done before, I've heard it was done before things like Oliver Cromwell,

I don't know if this is anti-puritan rhetoric, that the Puritans introduced hops to make beer unpleasant and a downer rather than a stimulant, which it was before, leading to widespread orgies in the European countryside, do you want the simple return of unhopped ale? Yes, we will bring back on Hopdale. That seems like a great plan, Pab. You come back, please. We talk such things in future, but I want to ask you now this more a little bit about elections, if you have time. I want to know, in Germany, the most important thing, you said it's a kind of anti-establishment protest vote. I think those can be some of the most consequential, because it leads to change in spirit and mood. What is mood now in Germany? What are people saying about these results?

Well, there's, I would say, people on the right like us, well, we're pretty wary because we've been beaten down now for six months with the constant freakouts about the right. And of course there's a lot of paranoia with the constitutional protectors or the domestic intelligence running around surveilling everybody. And there's, of course, all kinds of prosecutions for calling, you know, green politicians idiots and so forth. You get written up by the local prosecutor. So there's a lot of sort of beaten down. I don't know. No one wants to have too much hope, you know, but the most amazing thing about what happened recently is the election is the sheer demoralization of both the press and the mainstream party. So they're all in the gutter today.

It's just so amazing to see all of them whining and just drink their tears, they're extremely upset. One of the worst things, the Greens have realized that they've lost the youth vote entirely, so the demographic they're doing the worst with are people under 24. The whole mythology of this party is that they are the future, that children care about the environment and all this bullshit, and now they're just fucked. It's just so great to see how sad and upset they are, they have no prospects, there's no way to fix this. They are, it's a massive shift, you know, it's not just in Germany, you see East Germany, it's even worse, France, it's even stronger, the repudiation is everywhere, the demoralization is just fantastic, so I really like that.

The first time I've seen major articles in German state media, which is the most cucked operation you can imagine, it's like taking American media and just, just cockifying it to another level, it's just insane, this thing doesn't exist in English, it could never, Our media is just insane, but they are so upset. I've never seen such open demoralization, major regime-adjacent papers, like Zu Deutsch at Zeitung today, just we call it the alpine Pravda, you know, the alpine Pravda. No, this- They are, what a whole long article today, attacking the Greens for their upper-class pretensions and so forth, it's great. No, this could, the gnashing of teeth in the wake of such things is some of most pleasant things, But you are mentioning the youth turn. This is a real thing in Germany.

Young people are turning to AFD and equivalent, yes? Yes. So we see that younger people, they look more like East German voters, in fact. And it's really, what's holding the old party establishment together are West Germans who have inherited their votes from their parents. This is my theory. This is why if you look at East Germany is so different because they don't have these generational relationships to the establishment parties that we have in the West. So people like my father, they vote for the CSU, so I'm expected to vote, or I would, if I were a normal person and not an internet schizo, I would also vote for the CSU, and it would be all like this, you know, and so you identify as part of your family identity and so forth. These relationships don't exist in the East,

and so you see they have much different voting behavior. Other countries have much more pragmatic relationship to their parties, so Italy is like this, France, the party system is extremely fluid. But here in Germany, we have a very conservative electorate, which has oddly enough made us a little bit more leftist in many ways. But it's the West Germans now, the older West Germans, who are the big political anomaly in Europe. They're the ones that are still voting for Greens at high rates. They're still very heavily invested in the establishment parties. Everywhere else, outside of Germany, younger people who aren't German boomers, they're all voting to the right. And that's very, very exhilarating, I have to say. Yes, I think it's very good. I mean, this is just an anecdote,

but I talk to variety of American friends. I know very different situation from Europe. Well, maybe not so much, but American friends say they're young children. And yes, I know this will sound like a Reddit story. My eight-year-old daughter said, but literally they're eight, seven, nine-year-olds are coming back from school. And if their parents, If they sense that their parents give them a sympathetic ear, even as young as that, they are noticing the incredible, let's say, anti-white racism that's pushed now in schools, and they're talking apparently among themselves, groups of friends and so forth, without any direction by internet or parental interference or anything else. It's simply the result of left, libtard insanity over the past few decades.

I imagine in Germany, the demographic situation is not actually as bad as it is in the United States, but there are very bad things going on there too. So I guess I'm asking, you see this pattern, this just anecdotal pattern I'm talking, but this pattern in Germany you're talking is reflected in voting patterns. They are voting as the East Germany. They are voting mostly for right-wing parties. Do you talk to people of that age? What are they saying if you talk there? So I don't talk to too many younger people, but it's definitely a cultural phenomenon. There's many ways to prove this. So first of all, we can just look at mainstream German media and there's a whole rash of articles since probably a year or two now

about how everyone's children are watching crazy Nazi TikTok videos and self-radicalizing and how they are just becoming right-wing extremists under your very nose. The journalists just write this stuff. I guess they like posting their L's or something. And of course we can look at German social media and see which podcasts are doing well and which TikTok accounts have a lot of views and the RFA is absolutely dominant in social media sphere, especially the younger, the better they're doing. So TikTok, of course, skews to, I don't know, I don't use it, but I guess I hear about, you know, 13 to 17 or something is a key demographic there, RFD is enormously popular there. So there are many different ways to tell that the right wing in Germany is doing very well with younger generations.

And also this makes a lot of sense. First of all, the 1968 left have become these horrible school moms. They are exactly what they were themselves reacting against and children don't like that. It's very obnoxious, you know, and so they form their own political culture in opposition to it. And yes, so it's a good thing, I think. Yes, the Greaves pretend to be progressives, but the same as old trune collars, as people say, these old tranny retarded faggots replaying their 1960s delusions. And I think young people see that. But I think also the conservative touch is the touch of death, and the young people turning to this type of right-wing is very hopeful, should be embraced. Before we go, Eugepios, would you mind commenting on what's happening exactly on this with

the Raus-Lander-Raus phenomenon in the song? are trying to stop this, but apparently the youth are singing this in discotheques and other such. Yes, it's a whole cultural phenomenon, so of course, I don't know if the listeners know the tune, it's not a very good song, but it's Le Morte Du Jour, this Italian dance song from I think 2000 or something, from a long time ago, but it's a standard club hit and people started singing the lyrics Aus Länder Haus, so foreigners out to the song, and Deutschland in Deutschen, so Germany for the Germans, which is an old NPD slogan, so they are an old, right, you know, fascist or something party, and so they start singing these subversive lyrics to it, and the German school momocracy, these idiots just cannot help themselves and

they have massive freak-outs about it, you know, so they're calling the police, they are investigations, it's a big media story, there's a big freak-out, and of course people just do it more because it's exciting, it's fun to do, and it's still not supposed to, So you do it even more, and of course, the implicit thing is that everyone's fine with the lyrics, right? We're told that we are this welcoming, migrants-happy country, but children, it's not only subversive, it's fun to sing, and I think it's just an amazing cultural movement, and it's still ongoing at the elections and the uproar over that, it displaced it a little bit, but every time they freak out about it, you know, ten more incidents happen. It's very great, yeah. It's a great slap in the face to the all-trucy gippies.

But listen, I don't want to keep you longer. I am slight tipsy on this cheap wine. My hotel is making me guzzle and you are slight tipsy on beer. It is a very good talk you on the elections and I hope you come back soon. We have much else to talk about, yes. Yes, I look forward to turning to your excellent show, pap. Thank you for having me on. You come back number one, Calypso beats Reggae show. Very good. Thank you, Yougepios. We will be right back. This Caribbean Rhythms special episode on the European crisis elections. I have a friend on show. He great man appreciator goes by pseudonym Leo Caesaris. And you may know him from, He does quite amazing translations of Napoleon lesser-known works,

Napoleon love letters, which I have used as a model for love letters for my own obsession target and many other Napoleon and de Gaulle and other French nice things. Leo, welcome to the show. Yes, thank you. Great honor and pleasure to be on number one sexy show, Reggaeton. This Calypso show, Leo, I mentioned Napoleon Love Letters. Do you know this TikTok star, Giorgia or Georgina Vela, something like that? I was just talking about her on previous segment. I have been watching her work on TikTok and quite impressed with her moves. And then I Google Giorgiavela, and I find out she is Italian who grew up in Mexico. I am guessing her parents work for some multinational because she say she lived other countries also. But I was extremely disappointed because she say she's studying,

she's 20 years old now, I think, and she's studying business, social media, something distribution, the media something. So it's this, it takes all the spirit out of it because she's doing it in a very cold-blooded career manner and already marketing herself as some kind of influencer and some kind of specialist in this area where I thought she was just a fun-loving slut and dancing for fun-loving slut reasons. And this is a disappointment to me. Do you have any commentary on this? 100%, I have to say, you know, the name Georgina always alludes to me, this sort of, you know, discount slut vibe, you know, like a side chick of a football player or something like that. Is this okay? It's fine to say this. I wanted her to be slut, but I think she very cold-blooded.

You know, her Google results are all edited out. You can see she's curated and it lacks spontaneity. But look, audience does not want to hear about my latest possible target, which if I, you've seen Blue Velvet, what happens if he sends you a love letter by David Lynch movie Blue Velvet. But we're here to talk about recent European elections, and especially, Leo, you are, if I hope I'm not being indiscreet, you are French, you know France very well, you live in France, if I may say, or you have lived, please tell me if I'm being indiscreet, but you know French situation very well, and I wanted to get your opinion on what happened recent elections in France and Germany. Yes, so what we had, you know, without going to God, is this okay to be a pundit? Yes, it is good.

Yes, so essentially the European elections yielded a rather predictable result for all of us in the know, which is that the youth, as spoken youth, has elected a wave of right-wing populists and other parties. We've seen in Germany an amazing result, which is that the youth has completely rejected the faggot greens. Yes. You know, minus 18 to 20 points, something like that, amongst the under 30s. I mean, not even just, you know, under 20s or something, just straight up under 30s, which is wonderful. Plus 10 points right there, all these trivial stats, but very wonderful stuff. But in France, you know, without going into the trademark lovable chauvinism that everyone loved from the French, is that France has yielded the first spark

of a completely far-right map, except for Paris, of course, but Marine Le Pen's party, Le Assemblement Nationale, has won 94% of communes across France, which means that the tide is eventually going to turn, whether it's in 10, 20, 30 years, but the movement is here, And the latest news is that the President of the Republic, His Excellency Emmanuel Macron, has dissolved the Assembly, as is his right. And in doing so he has, by law, triggered a snap election in the legislators. And so there's an opportunity for a quote-unquote far-right, if not right-wing prime minister in the coming months. Is that, when are the parliamentary elections going to take place, in 30 days? They'll be taking place right before the Olympics, not long.

Yes, I was in Paris recently, everyone's saying that they dread the coming of the Olympics by the way, I don't know if you're in Paris right now, do you dread this because they tell me Paris simply cannot accommodate that many people and also the streets flood sometimes in summer. So I would say that I'm very, very familiar with the city of Paris my whole life. And I think with complete humility that it's probably one of the most beautiful cities in the world and that it is very worthy of hosting such great occasions of worldly importance, if not simply for its own prestige. And I'm reminded of General de Gaulle who said during the time when Lyon was selected to be part of the Olympics, he said that, you know, for once, for once people will actually

flock and go to vacation, you know, to a place where the Olympics are held. For once there will be the Olympics in a place where people actually want to be at instead of some random town. And so that would be very much my sentiment. And I have to say, against the wave of my compatriots, who unfortunately have a tendency of being very divisive, since the time of Caesar, they have been like this. They have a tendency to always act like the crabs in the barrel, and they always want to pull down anything great, anything radiant, anything brilliant within their own country. And so to all my compatriots, to all these Frenchmen, I tell them, well, what if we did great? You know, what if the Olympics went great?

What if we showcased for the first time an opening ceremony that is not in a simple stadium but across an entire great city? What if we had an opening ceremony in a clean zen? And instead their reply is, we shall shit in the zen because my coal was just a cleaner. I mean, it's just ridiculous. You know, it's pathetic. It is not worthy of that great nation. Yes. I want to say to people and I, you know, I met you. I think. That's right. I met Leo in Paris. We had a nice walk on a rainy day, but he pointed out to me and I had thread on Twitter on this, very much agrees that the telling of Paris as a spent city or one that's full of migrants or full of tent cities or homeless or trash that many people see now on dissident Twitter, and it feels to me like false demoralization campaign.

I don't think actually, Leo, that it's anything coordinated. It's just influencers, same as people as this Giorgio or Georgina Vela I mentioned, except they don't have nice ass, they cannot go TikToks, so they go into politics. And so they take videos like Lauren Southern, who actually does look good, but she used to take videos, walking through Paris and other European neighborhoods that had been full of migrants since the 1960s and pretend that, oh, Europe is burning, Europe is ending and so on. I don't mean to say Paris, excuse me, has no problems. I know you will agree it has many problems, but it's nowhere near as bad as what dissident populist Twitter and other media attacking Paris I'm pretending it's extreme pleasant city actually I mean people like Lauren Southern for all

their many many many faults which we don't need to dwell on they used to do some interesting work like going into the Mediterranean to you know film these NGOs that bring in people by the millions that was good work you know why Why do you need to come to Paris and go to a borough like the 18th arrondissement and go and say, my God, there are a foreign looking peoples here. I mean, this has been true for, you know, 100 years. I mean, where were you then? It's just not serious. You know, if you I mean, you just have to place yourself outside of this American conservative GOP shock, you know, perspective and think of yourself as talking to people in France. If you tell a boomer, someone in his 60s and his 70s who has seen, you know, like the worst

riots in Paris in the 60s or such, and you tell them, yes, this neighborhood is full of foreign. I mean, they will laugh at you. They will laugh at you. They will never take you seriously. They will never take your ideas seriously. They will never take, they will never take your political vision seriously simply because you are either lying to them or you are just willfully ignorant of the situation. And so the only way to talk to those people is to simply tell the truth. It is enough. Yes. No. This is my concern. They are forming an audience that doesn't know for, again, same reasons that a TikTok star would. But in terms of its political significance, let's say for Europe or Paris, it's completely dismissed by people who've been there. I had not been there for many years.

I met you there. I walk for many days. I find that streets are clean. Yes, there are the problems, and I wish for the migrants to leave. Let's not go there right now. But it's not anywhere near as bad. And the historical city center, which that's always the retort, right? Oh, when you show nice photos of the streets and so on, oh, you're only in the limited historical city center. But actually, the historical Paris city center is huge. And when I came to see you, I was on one side, we were going to meet at Napoleon tomb. And it would have taken me an hour or more to walk there. And all the taxis were, that's one thing that has to be fixed, Leo, the traffic and so forth.

But the point is, it's a huge historical city center and you can walk in it for many hours back and forth of never get bored. Always a beautiful street and a beautiful intersection and then the people, it's full of young French people. It's not just what you see in this agitation propaganda and they had lived a convivial city life where they talk to you. You can go out and talk to many people about many things. I hope, Leo, this is not what you came to talk to me, but I wanted to sing the praise of your city, you know. All right, I think it's great to remind people of this because I think that you with your thread, Bap, I can say with full seriousness that you probably did more for tourism than the mayor of Paris today. I mean, seriously. Yeah, go ahead. No, no, you go ahead, Leo.

I was going to say that, uh, in fact, and perhaps you can, you, you, I think you would share my feeling that, uh, this idea that people have of, oh, the, the, the streets are, uh, you know, there's a piece of paper on the street, or, oh, I saw a black person. It's like, it's really the concern of, uh, you know, uh, what we call in French a petit bourgeois, you know, this, uh, this sort of, uh, want to have everything be totally sanitized. And that's actually what's going to kill the city in the long run because make no mistake, They absolutely are trying to kill the city, just like they did with places like, you know, for example, Florence or, you know, other places like Warsaw or Budapest or whatever where they were essentially turning them into museum.

They are taxiderm museums, taxiderm places. I mean, the reason why it takes so long to drive inside the city nowadays is because they were just banning cars everywhere. There is a great street called La Rue Rivoli, which goes, it traces along a straight line, us through the city hall towards the Louvre and goes all the way, you know, it was supposed, it was a plan by Napoleon to trace a singular line going all the way throughout the horizon. Unfortunately he was taken from us too early and so that vision was eventually fulfilled by Napoleon III, the second emperor, but it was done and now our retarded mayor, this socialist imp, she has decided during COVID you know under the you know these people cannot uh enact their agenda

in full uh uh under the eye of the public they had to do it when people were locked down in their houses and they began you know they started doing roadworks and started adding three bike lanes to a four lane street so that now there's only a very small street for uh lane i mean for cars and they're limited to 30 kilometers per hour i mean it's it's just ridiculous imagine if you're someone who works inside the city, that life is hell. It's actually sadistic what they're doing to these people. And the goal is to get them to just leave. That's what they're trying to do. Yes, no, this kind of war on vital city life in which it's actually the city is a place of industry and work and creativity. That needs to stop.

But that's what's ruining it far more, as you say, than occasional homeless, which are unlimited. Even in the city center, the worst part I saw was the hull. I know I'm not pronouncing it right, but I do this on purpose, Leo. The hull market. You do this to trigger us. Yes, the hull market feels like an international airport shit terminal. But look, we are going a bit off the blueberry path here, talking about elections. I want to go back to that. I will come to Paris this autumn, and I will hunt all of your girlfriends down. Anyway, look, to go back to the election, it's wonderful what happened in Germany now with their youth especially turning on the Greens and the socialists turning so hard to the right, has the same thing happened in France? Has there been specifically a youth turn

to either Le Pen or the other right-wing parties? I think it's actually much better than that, in that if you look at the distribution of the different classes of employment even and across all ages in France, not only did the youth turn out for the right and abandon, you know, green parties and such things, we have actually surprising things like the retirees voting, you know, being split 50-50 between Macron, which is their usual champion, you know, and the Assemblement Nationale, which is Le Pen's party. And we also see that even among the managers, what we call les Cadeaux, they also basically essentially went in first place for Marine Le Pen, which is, which are things that would have been unimaginable five years ago.

Yes, but what you say was the main issue driving this election? Was it migration or something else? Why this such a turn to Le Pen? It was obviously some type of protest vote, but what were vital issues on the election? There are several issues and it's also tied to the way that the European elections are structured in that in the European elections, there's a proportional vote. So you actually vote for your preference. That's why it advantaged a little bit, I would say, Le Pen's party. Whereas in the previous, so for example, during the presidential election, Marine Le Pen, she got around 40-ish percent. But then at the legislative elections right after, she got, I think not even 18 percent. So what is the reason for this difference in vote?

Because in France the domestic elections are run under two separate cycles. So the first round you vote for the party you like and then afterwards you're essentially voting against your least favorite preference. So all the commies will vote for the commies in the first round, all the rightists will vote for the rightists. All the middle-class fags will vote for Macron, right? And then in the second round, there will be a typical thing in French politics, which is that you will have Le Pen and then Macron. And then as per magic, essentially in a second, the entirety of French polite institutions will activate, students will receive emails, journalists will start putting out editorials, TVs will start crying out,

you must block Le Pen, we must keep her out of power. And then that's how they can't pass 50%, essentially. So they did good in the European elections. Now, I expect that they will actually do, they will not do better than what they did now. It's very unlikely in my opinion. But what the difference is, for example, with a situation like in Germany, where IFD is doing very good in places like Turingan or Saxony, but they're completely a bit, you know, they're locked out a little bit from power because the CEDU, the traditional center-right party, refuses to form a government with them. In France, we have the first spark, as always France leads, in that the center-right party, their leader in the assembly, Eric Chioti, has decided that he

will ally with Le Pen's party and that Le Pen will not run candidates in their key areas and they will not run candidates in their areas in order that they will maximize their chances as a right-wing movement. So that's actually historic. It has never happened. Historically, what doomed the right wing, in a way, what spelled the death of the right wing proper in France, is that President Jacques Chirac allied with the left to beat Le Pen. Whereas now we have a totally opposite situation. So, you know, options are looking very good. Well, I want to ask you about this, because I see some debates, at least on Twitter, which I know is not representative of real life. But I see French rightists already arguing in different directions on Twitter. But before we get there, what? Yes,

I understand electoral system in France led in part to these results. But there must have been some driving matters that the people felt dissatisfied about what was it was it migration or something else migration is definitely I would say the top issue if you look at polls that are run by the French government these aren't like some online polls or some like you know private polls that are run like in the United States and France we actually have a National Statistics Institute and And they run polls on such issues. It's more than 65% that believe that there should even be something done on immigration. So today, if there was a referendum on this issue, it is very clear that the French people would vote to deal with immigration. And that alludes to what a future man of power

should champion as his top issue, of course. After that, there is a general dissatisfaction with Macron, especially with the band of retards that he has appointed to the government, these ministers of yesteryear who are mixed up between different previous administrations, people who just have been in politics forever, sort of dishonorable people, people that have no scruples whatsoever, traitors, backstabbers, etc., as well as this new prime minister that he has put up who only pleases the middle-aged ladies in their 50s and 60s who fawn over the idea that they could foist such a man on their daughters someday, a very polite, charismatic, beautiful man that has essentially been given all the worst issues to deal with. The pension reform also tanked him among the public.

So it's just a dissatisfaction with Macron, mass migration, and the fact that just in In general, people feel like the country is getting poorer, energy prices are skyrocketing in a country that is supposed to be self-sufficient from an energy standpoint. France produces 85% of its power from nuclear energy. This was the bet of the French technocrats of the 60s and the 70s to power things like the TGV, etc. And instead of, you know, being a model in Europe in that sense, instead we're selling off our industrial legacy to a dysfunctional European, quote-unquote, privatization system. And so, yeah, people just generally feel like they want to protest-vote Macron, and that perhaps now these ideas of saying, yes, Le Pen is a scary person, that just doesn't work

Yes. I'm not a huge fan of Le Pen, the woman, myself. I'm not either, no. My friend, Europe Esperance, I don't know if you knew him, he was somewhat mentally ill, but quite insightful. He called her a washerwoman. He was Danish psycho, but very smart, Danish, let's say, spiritual meta-Nazi, but, well, I hope I'm not mischaracterizing him. but he believed that she and her name was keeping the French right from ever getting any positions in French government. It was her and her family that was responsible for holding back the French right. But you say that she's actually reached some agreement now with Eric Sioty, who was, correct me if I'm wrong, he was somewhat seen as somewhat more moderate, Normicon right than Marine Le Pen or center right, let's say.

But online I see people in French right arguing. Some are saying that she is refusing to form a coalition government with Zebour and others like that. What's going on with that? Yeah, so essentially what happened in the first few days is that Marion Maréchal Le Le Pen, who is her niece, who has defected to Zemur in the 2022 election, she went over to their party HQ and she met with the current leader of the party, Jordan Bardela. And she essentially, you know, there was no agreement between her and her actual party leader, Eric Zemur, on that. But she went over to them and proposed that they form a union, that they use some of their people because for better or worse, Roquonquette, Zemur's party, actually has quite a lot of

people with government experience, people who served in some of the most important positions of the quote-unquote deep state, such as Inspector de Finance, which is a position that you get in the Ministry of Finances, which we call Bercie. And so she proposed this and initially Jordan Bardella responded rather positively but also jabbing at Zemur saying that, you know, they wanted nothing to do with Zemur and that Marion instead is being productive unlike him. Then she went over to Zemur to discuss this situation. It's actually very funny, if you look at the press where she gave right after they announced the result of the European elections, you can see that Zemur was actually quite distraught. I mean, she was saying, yes,

we will form a union with Bardela and Leben. And he was like, what are you saying, lady? We did not agree to this. And so it really shows that, I mean, she was trying to essentially soft coup enforced this issue. Now, unfortunately for her, and perhaps, you know, this is what befalls all political schemers and strivers, as soon as the Hélères deal was announced, Jordan Bardelais immediately announced that they had no need of reconquets people and that they would not work either indirectly or directly with Zumur. So she is left, you know, holding this bag and she published a letter saying that, you know, they would continue their fight in the European in Parliament, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So yes, essentially, Le Pen is basically saying

she's not gonna work with the hard-line right-wing party and she's trying to sanitize her image a little bit by saying, yes, look, we are working with the traditional right and we are not working with these very extremist people in Zemur's party. Will that work out for her? I do not think so. Actually, you see that Lerais Publicain's party is, it was on its way to extinction. I think they didn't even pass 7% in the current assembly. And remember, this is the traditional, you know, right wing, they claim to be the heirs of the Gaullist tradition, etc., they were supposed to be the main party of French politics, the founding party of the Fifth Republic, so to speak. And yet, you know, they're here at a pathetic 7%.

And now all the big shots of the party, such as the President of the Senate, such people, they're all criticizing Alexioti and asking for his resignation. So what we're seeing basically is that there's going to be, I don't think this party is long for life, just as the Socialist Party imploded during Macron's era, I think that they're going to be split between the people who will accept and see where the wind is blowing and try to find themselves a place in the Repents Party, and the other ones I believe will go over to Macron, which is essentially what they've been doing. They've been essentially working the sort of double scheming where they're in the opposition but they also vote on Macron's measures, et cetera. It's a very, very, very French system in a way for a parliamentary deal.

Yes. Do you think, I've seen some on the French right say that Le Pen has become now like Chirac, doing what you described earlier, that she's refusing to unite all the parties on the right and actually maybe not making an alliance with the left, but refusing this historic opportunity to form coalition government of some type. Yeah, I mean, I think there's not even a need to dwell on the specifics and the historical perils and that sort of thing. You should just remember that. Just look at what the left is doing. They ran a list with a guy called Raphael Glücksmann, who ran this list that was supposed to be essentially just running for the Socialist Party in a way, right? It was a coalition between a few different parties and mainly the Socialist Party.

The Socialist Party was going over at 2%, you know, in the previous presidential election, the mayor of Paris, Adnie Dalgour, actually ran for them. And she I don't think she even went more than 4%. So they were a completely dead party, and he got them over to 14%, which is quite admirable. And now what they're telling this guy who has been on TV the whole morning and yesterday as well saying, yes, we will not, you know, just to put an addendum here on what has been most of the discussion on the dissident online riot about you know the anti-semitism and uh the palestinian third-holders and such things well the branding actually worked because he's saying on live tv i will not ally with an anti-semitic party and uh such funny things

now the problem is is that the socialist party has essentially thanked him for his service and told him uh good job bro and now we're handing over the keys to the um uh leftist fart by excellence Jean-Luc Mélenchon, and we are relegating you to the dustbin of the history. So the left has entirely aligned, all of them, the Socialist Party, the Communist Party, LFE, which is Mélenchon's party, which is basically an islamo leftist party now, etc, etc. All of the left has entirely united within a day under a coalition that they're calling Le Front Populaire. I mean, what is this? Is this the 1930s? It's very funny. Meanwhile, on the right, we see the typical and usual infighting which leads them to great successes as usual. Yes.

Le Pen, is she still on her thing about – I know she replaced focus on migration with focus on economic on a previous election, which I think cost her quite a lot, right? She chose a kind of marxoid advisor who told her to go for economic populism rather than migration restriction. Is she still on that direction or has she changed back to migration restriction? She's changed back a little bit. All of those types of people that we call in France the sovereignty, right, so to speak. So Filippo, those kinds of people, who are really just, you know, they're doing the Banonite thing. They shouldn't even be called right wing. So those guys actually ran on their own small parties by the way and they didn't even pass a percent. So those guys are gone now. Florian

Filippo is gone. And now she's betting on this young guy, Jordan Bardela. He's 28 years old. He's from Saint Saint Denis, so the sort of quote-unquote problematic area around Paris. He's actually a very interesting guy, just to give a bit of information on his background. His father is half Italian, a quarter Algerian, a quarter French. The mother of his father was the daughter of a Kabyl Berber. His mother is Italian. So I mean, he's like basically 75% Italian, this guy. It's a typical outright... Indeed, indeed. It's true what they say about the far right. It's true. And so the thing is that he's actually running the exact same thing that Le Pen's party has been running forever. He's in couple with Nolouène Olivier, who's the daughter of Marie-Caroline, the sister of Marine.

But he's a young guy. He's very popular on TikTok with the Zoomers and such. And very funny, he was an anon. He had a nickname, which was Jourdan9320, or as we would say, Jourdan quatre entre So 93 in reference to the department where he comes from. On this website called je vidéo.com. Have you heard of this website, Max? No, but when he said 93, I thought it was a reference to 1793. Sorry, I'm a bit drunk. My first friends online were French reactionaries, and they had a website 1793 semper fie, something like that, but it was, no, I'm pretty sure it was 1793 commemorating the resistance to the terror of Jacobins, you know. That's right, there's actually a very interesting movie produced by a de Villiers production

company called, I think it's just called Vendée actually, it's not a bad movie, it's quite good and it got the entire political left to see for a couple of months. Yes, no, sorry to interject. You were saying this Jordan Bardella, he was an internet norm. Yes, so he was active on a website called Je vidéo.com. So it's extremely funny, it's just a totally normy website to discuss video games, right? It's just a normal internet forum. But there is actually a board on there called Canse d'Isuit, 15 to 18, so like, you know, an age range, so 15 to 18 years old. And that board was infamous for being essentially the French version of 4chan's beef and yeah so he's very active on there he purged everything I think because he journalist found this out a couple of weeks ago and he ran a youtube

channel where he did let's play commentary on call of duty so yeah very funny guy you know and he's now the head of uh uh and he might very well be our next prime minister is this okay yes it's very okay and I want to ask you what is mood this most important question. Yes, the politics, statistics and so on, parties are interesting. But what is mood among the people in general? What is mood on street and so forth? Yes. Among young people that you know, what are they saying about all this? Or among media, is the media chimp out at the results? The media does not chimp out as much in France. You won't see this sort of like ridiculous people crying on TV that you saw during 2016 and such thing. The media is a bit more intellectual

in France, I'd say. But all across France you can actually see, so on the infamous Place de Allais Public in Paris, which you had the occasion to visit, you know, I'm sure you know what goes on there, Bab. So they're having bonfires and, you know, they're breaking shit. And funny enough is that one of the protesters actually fell from the statue yesterday, and, you know, an ambulance sunset. So they're literally falling from the skies. But all across France and large cities, Antifa are basically targeting small businesses. I mean, they're going to bars and like places like that and trying to break shit because they consider the owners alright or whatever. So it's quite funny. Otherwise, among the right, the mood is quite jubilant, I would

say, but there's still like this sort of infighting with people in Zumwalt's party because he has quite a huge the militant base, by the way, among the youth. I mean, it's a little bit of confusion. They don't really know what's happening between him and Marion, etc. So it's just the typical infighting that you would see on the right, which is regrettable. But I think it's quite funny, as an aside, that you see that the violence against the right is entirely legitimized now. And yet not a single one of these right-wing parties the goal to create just these simple security apparatus, you know? I posted a thread a while ago on De Gaulle's own efforts to do this himself because they were getting harassed at every rally

by communists, you know, not just like teenage Bobo with bandanas, actual communists. And he formed a security apparatus for his own party, which he rebuked after, of course, but that specific security apparatus, became an organization called the S.A.C., which was an organization dedicated to remote Gaullism. In reality, this institution was actually the secret police of the French state, and it employed, you know, indirectly, people like Bob Denard, you know. So, for example, you see that Mayotte right now, which is an island off the coast of Africa, which is right next to the Comoros. It's 95% non-white, by the way, and it's basically entirely Muslim, this island. It's also the biggest slum in the EU, by the way, has voted 51% for Le Pen's

party because they are assaulted by this demographic attack by the Comoros who are sending them all their rejects so that eventually they can basically reclaim the island. And our government is doing nothing about that of course but anyway so there used to be a time you know when uh the french government could just look at such uh pitiful uh attempts and say okay fine then we'll just tell a bubdenow hey you know the camaros yeah you can do whatever you want there we'll just let you uh and that would have been a very easy way to quell the type of things that azerbaijan are doing new vocabulary or such things but instead so so i'm just saying that you know it would be very easy for these people to hire a couple of you know body builders a couple of gangsters

and just you know even bouncers you know and get them to protect their fucking rallies but they do nothing instead and such small little organizations yeah go ahead just to interject for audience because you mentioned azerbaijan in new caledonia which maybe most audience scratch heads don't know what's going on france is facing problems in colony new caledonia and it's actually, excuse me, Azerbaijan goading it on because France supported Armenia, yes? That's right, that's exactly right. Sorry, go on. Yeah, and so it would be very easy for them to form these small apparatuses with, I mean, the consequences for these could be huge, they could be used later when, you know, I don't want to get ahead of this, I'm thinking 20-30 years ahead, but I'm just giving out ideas, okay?

Yes. Well, I mean, they should do this now. But so there is no mass chimp out. But among young people that you talk, there is a turnaround. I mean, look, the reason I keep mentioning youth, it's not because I especially want to be typecast or you to be typecast as youth movement or such. But I really do think the conservatives, the older conservatives in both Europe and United States are the touch of death in many ways and I'd like to be some kind of alliance with those parties and the newer right parties but really they have been useless for decades they're backstabbers and the most important thing is winning over not the youth as a whole but the intelligent and promising youth and all things that militate against that which is the kind of

Ned Flanders phenotype need to be I think rejected so excuse this interjection that's just my general thought about why I keep asking you about the youth but they have turned forget Le Pen but they have turned against a French establishment somewhat you get this feel yeah for sure but unfortunately I have to say that it's split it's split the youth is very much between half of this sort of reactionary thing that is going more and more towards right-wing parties and also towards, you know, L.A.V. the leftist thing. Well, it's the same in the U.S. It's bifurcation with nothing left for the center libtards and the normikant. Indeed. And this is where you see actually that Macron is, you know, for better or for

I think many people, even rather right-wing orientated French people, underestimate Macron quite a bit. They really don't read him properly, I think, and I think that you are actually one of the only people in the Anglosphere that has really understood what Macron is doing or what he stands for. He's not really this globalist leftist thing. He's really trying to do his own thing but in a very pathetic manner because he's a banker, he's a technocrat, he's not a leader. But he tries very much. What he's trying to do here, I think, is that he knows that if he waits and he gives in to the lull, their party will get massacred and his political legacy will go to zero. And so he's trying to be a man of history a little bit by saying, OK, I will do what de Gaulle did in the 60s.

I will do what Chirac did. I will dissolve the assembly and put my own name on the line, my own person in front of the French people. But there's two scenarios that are going to happen here, really. The first is, as we're alluding, is that the center is going to get disintegrated and we're only going to get essentially a repeat of what was seen in the previous centuries, which is an extreme bifurcation between very, very leftist elements and very, very rightist elements. In that scenario, his majority would be gone and the country would be entirely ungovernable. Under that scenario, there's actually a very interesting – now we're delving into the realm of 400 IQ here, I admit. But indulge me. So if in that scenario, the government is, I mean, the assembly is ungovernable, because

let's say the right gets a majority and they get Bardela as a prime minister. Not only will he be left with an absolute shitshow of a budget vote at the end of the year, but the left will actually just censor them every single week. They will just put up motions for censor every, every, every week. And so the country will fall back into what was happening during the fourth republic with factionalism. This would be the death of the fifth republic. Under that scenario, Macron, as a man of history, should go before the French people and say, well, you have rejected my politics, my policy, and the government is unable to well govern. And so I am resigning. And in doing so, he actually could trigger a very, very interesting gray area of the

French constitution, which is that since his term is unfulfilled, he could actually present himself once again to the election and say we will now know for real if you have rejected me or simply uh played a party game and in doing so he would essentially solve the problem of his legacy which is okay who should he get this young atal guy or this darmana minister of the interior who is backed by bernard arnault etc etc he would just come back once again that would be very very ballsy and interesting yes i i hope for great things and i hope i hope i'm not compromising you saying this I hope for the end of this so-called French Republic and the return of real life in in France but Leo I've been keeping you for a while I hope you come back to Caribbean

rhythm to talk more about future of France and Europe in general but before we go I know this is big subject when you return I want to discuss this in much more detail but you have some If you just want to touch on this quickly, particular knowledge about the direction that the French right has taken since, let's say, year 2000, and there were attempts to have what's being contrived now in, at least on Twitter in the United States, with this fake so-called Christian-Muslim alliance in which there's an alliance with the third world that's left against the globalist establishment or something like this. There was Alain Sorel in France, I think, that ran on such a campaign and then the French right responded to that.

Do you want to comment on that now or is that too big a subject to talk about now? I think we can quickly go over it without much detail and just say that, so Alain Soil is very much the manifestation in France of the third world, this type of based minorities type deal that you see in the United States. Just to quickly condense this position, sorry to interrupt, to condense this position for audience, it would be the kind of guy who says, oh, these Muslims, they actually have strong family values and they reject the gays and they reject the globalist bankers and they reject, you know, so we need to make alliance with them their potential allies of traditionalists, sort of the right wing or at least of a vanguard that opposes

a globalist gay whatever alliance yes yeah it's very much the attempt to try i mean it's just a classic populist uh move you know like a bit like peronism in a way it's the idea oh yes we will weaponize the base minorities against the bad uh neoliberal uh you know avocado eaters or whatever yes um unfortunately what this does is that yeah okay you might get some power out of that but at what cost? I mean, do you really want to empower people who are not serious political actors? I mean, there's there is no actual, you know, Islamic, you know, sort of serious political factor in Europe, this is a not only is it a cope by people who would like to play, you know, the crusade or something, because that would be optimistic for them.

But it's also a way to cope with a just disaster situation that no, you're not actually working on a clash of civilizations here. You're just importing a bunch of, you know, economic rejects from the third world. That's who you're allying with. There's no real, no political vision or anything going on here. Yes. And not only that, but it actually puts you at odds with people who could easily get you over the finishing line, so to speak. Right now, there are voters, you know, polite, upper middle class bourgeois from some areas of Paris who are usual voters of the Alibiyya Center, right, who are telling themselves, you know, maybe I don't want to give power to all these people who, you know, are curating around Palestinian flags and this sort of thing. Well, that's very good for us.

Yeah, the problem with Sorel is he ran on this campaign you're talking about. And he got some very tiny percentage, right? Yeah, he got nothing. He's entirely rejected as just... In France, you just cannot do well with this kind of anti-intellectualism, I would say. Yes, so other French rightists have described this to me in the recent things of what are happening in the United States, that he was kind of... Although he was much more intellectual himself, he was kind of like, excuse me, they attacked my throat. He had very interesting Marxist arguments, that's true, yeah. Yes, although I think fundamentally wrong. They are useful to troll. I've used this argument when he trolled feminists with Marxist theory, but I do think that's wrong. I don't think there was a

capitalist conspiracy to allow feminism in order to lower wages or whatever this type of argument he makes. Well, we can talk about that next time, but the point is he contested an election on these kinds of views, and many people on the French right have told me they were embarrassed by that display and went out of their way to reject him because he was so overwhelmingly rejected by French voters. It's extremely cringe indeed. Yes. Well look, we can talk more this detail next time. I think I had this cheap bottle wine, but now it's at the point of night where it's, you know, where you run on wine, but it's fuel running out of the tank. I think it's trying to, yeah, or they may have poisoned me. I think you are not drinking French wine, Bab. This is the problem.

It's absolutely not French wine, no. I'm in a hotel now, they put this Chilean wine, but it's not good. I'm using it as a placeholder, but no, only French wine and champagne we drink next time, Leo. That's right. Yes, you come back, we talk soon, more Europe politics. Until next time, Bep out.