Welcome to Caribbean Rhythms, episode 169. I have a very special guest today, security consultant from South Africa, K9 Reaper. You can find his account on Twitter. Now it's called X. It's at K9 underscore Reaper. I will retweet many things. So it's one of the most exciting accounts on X site right now. adventures in South Africa he has been called the Batman of South Africa welcome welcome to the show canine yeah thank you thank you for having me the Batman of South Africa really well yes I've seen I've seen people call you that just to tell to give some to because there may be libtards listen to show They listen to this show for entertainment value. There may be Antifa that surely is trying to monitor me and such. I just want to say this man stop farm murders.

He hunts down the perpetrators of farm murders and such. These are very brutal attacks, often on old, helpless people in secluded farms in South Africa. He hunts down and helps communities deal with other other bogeys who are destroying South Africa's infrastructure by the day. So this man is, let's say, a security consultant. I think Batman is an appropriate title, but okay, you say you are just a man, you are having adventures, it doesn't matter. Whatever you are, your videos of the actions you undertake in South Africa, the rides at at night, very exciting. I want, however, audience may not be so familiar with the general situation in South Africa at moment, in just security situation and political situation. Would you mind, K9, giving audience some refresher

before we speak about more precise tactical things and such? Yeah, absolutely. So long story short on that, The political spectrum is not obvious with you. It's not really my thing. There's a lot of other guys I can put you in touch with that will do a much better job there. But essentially, for the first time in... Well, since South Africa's freedom, call it that, from post-94, etcetera, we've got a universal-ish type of government running now where there are multiple parties involved who are all going to hopefully do their bit to pull us out of this mess, but with that being said, the mess as a whole, as it stands right now, is a complete lack of visible policing. There's no support structures there. I mean it. There's absolutely nothing to a point

where people like myself, an average South African citizen, is within the confines, rules regulations of South Africa's laws. We've got our T's and C's there. We are out there volunteering and essentially, you know, we'll play the game a bit, putting our lives at risk to better secure and manage the situation as it stands. So that situation in particular is exceptionally violent crime. Whether it is copper cable theft, violent home invasions, farm attacks as you mentioned earlier, cash and transit heists, ATM bombings, you name it, the sky is really the limit here. So that is the situation in a nutshell. Very beautiful but exceptionally violent country that is now in a new age of, call it, governance because of what happened in the last elections?

Yes, I had on this show Robert Duygen last year to talk about the Cape Town independence movement. I don't know what you think about that movement. He had high hopes that majority seems to support this, but I don't think there have been elections since and I don't think they turned out well. You are saying the government is in disarray, some kind of unstable coalition government. Do I have that right? I wouldn't necessarily call it unstable as it stands right now because at this moment they haven't really, from what I can tell, someone again, a pinch of salt here, someone who's not actually really clued up on the political happenings. From what I can tell, they haven't really done anything yet at this stage. I mean, they've only just been

incorporated into the various posts and blah, blah, blah. Time will definitely, definitely tell as they start pushing each other to see who's going to be changing rules and regulations and hopefully making better things happen in the future. Yes, you say it's exceptionally violent. This, my impression, the impression of many casual observers of South Africa is that it's been extreme violent for a long time. I like this book, Cry the Beloved Country, South Africa's Brave New World. I think the writer is R.W. Johnston or something like that. He's a libtard from, he was opposed to, very much opposed to apartheid regime, but has come to the view that what has succeeded that that is, uh, extreme, uh, extreme bad, and that book was, I think, written 20 years ago or more,

and, um, I want to, to, or around that, I want to, um, to ask you, is this even what the violence was before? You're saying it's deteriorating now? It's, it's worse than last year or the years before? It definitely, definitely is. So, one thing to take into consideration here is crime that is happening and crime that is reported so there's no way in heck that the majority of criminal activities are actually being reported to to the South African Police Service so if someone is robbed or they witness a murder or a family member gets whacked or someone gets kidnapped that's also a big thing in this country there's not there's no ways that 90% of the time that's that's all being reported so yes people see the stats and they go wow

those stats are really bad, but they don't realize just how bad it most likely actually is. I mean, for example, I just went onto my profile, I searched up crime stats that I posted, what is this, last year, November of 2023, and essentially then we were averaging 77 murders a day. Sexual offenses, so you're talking rape, things like that, you were looking at 145 cases a day. Well that's sexual offenses. In terms of, I see there's actually a rape report here, it was 117 a day, three children are murdered every day. Canine let me interrupt you for a second because I've lived in Brazil for a long time which is exceptionally dangerous country as well. It's interesting the crime pattern there, a high murder rate, high violent robbery and such rate, beatings, and so on.

But because of the very loose sexual mores of that country, actually the rape rate is below what you'd expect. And the last I remember, at least, let's say 10 years ago, it was well below other countries with far lower general crime rate. I don't know South African culture so well. But again, as a casual observer, it seemed to me They also, the native populations if you want to call them that, have let's say the tribal populations maybe have loose mores as well, but you're saying the rape rate is very high. Do you have any thoughts on that, on what I just said? I don't know if, yeah. So I would put you on the right path there and say that both yes and no. So a lot of of people will come to you for example and say let's take let's take the broad

spectrum here and say people look at the black population and say well they don't have respect for for woman I would I would turn around and say well it's not always the it's not always the case yes they do to tribal politics and other things that are beyond my understanding there is a difference between perhaps how I would treat a woman and how someone else in a tribal setting would would treat a woman yeah look sorry I don't need to derail a conversation please it's your show I do listen to show by the way I do enjoy it so yes thank you by all means yeah so it's a difficult question to answer without you know the full spectrum of things because with that comes people saying they got

They call the the swatted for far which you know for concerts the the black terror or the black menace, you know the same thing You look at that and I got to sometimes remind people but guys I patrol, you know with black patrollers and things like that Who come into my home share meals with me and things like that and I've got obviously no no issue and things like that But then on the other side of the spectrum You do see And I will be forward with this you do see some of the most violent crime in the black population specifically in black townships black settlements Illegal land grabs that that sort of thing. Yes. Yes. No, well, of course. No, look everyone knows about this I don't you don't have to be explicit if you don't want but I often am explicit on this

There is no reason to pussyfoot around this matter, it's extreme violence there and I want to actually ask you later in the show about the patterns of that violence. But I brought up political situation, South Africa, for a reason. I want to know, in your opinion, you say it's getting worse this year and since the last election. You see the violence as dependent in part on political, general political situation. Is that what's driving it fundamentally? What's happening at the top, let's say the top of South African politics? I guess the closely related question, you say there's under-policing. Is that because of lack of money or lack of state capacity? Or is it a political decision to not police these communities and such?

So your first question, I like that question a lot, where you're essentially asking everything that's happening now in terms of crime and the general collapse and decay and stuff as a whole, essentially you're asking me, is it recent? Is it new? And is it as a result of the current political changes spectrum, whatever people want to call it? So at the end of the day absolutely not, there's that fantastic saying gradually and then suddenly where things happen slowly, slowly, slowly and then because all those little things add up people start realising oh wow things aren't looking so great. That is where we are right now. So the things essentially sped up in the 2000s in terms of lack of, let's call it lack of

infrastructure, maintenance, lack of construction, lack of proper planning in terms of what are we going to do, how are we going to do it, when are we going to do it, social services, the whole nine yards. And to answer the next question about the complete, I don't really want to call it failure on the South African police service because I know a lot of them and there's a lot of good guys still in the force but unfortunately they don't represent the majority that are there that aren't actually doing much as it stands so the majority sort of ish of the South African police force they're on demand they're definitely outgunned they get barely any training there are even cases where members on the force are being essentially forced if they want to

perform their duties, they are purchasing their own ammunition, purchasing their own uniforms in some regards. A lot of them, the majority of the cops that you see on the streets are using their own cell phones for example to communicate with each other, whether it's on WhatsApp or phoning each other or SMS, whatever they're doing, because they don't have radios and the radios they do have are not working and that sort of thing. So to give you an idea, I mean, imagine you need help, you get in touch with the South African police service and the control center has to physically phone a cop on his private cell phone to get him to come out and help you. It's actually madness if you think about it. So that's where we're living right now.

Yes, I understand. I mean, I'm asking because in the United States obviously there is so much money and capacity for police to be very strong to, I think, perhaps stop all crime in two weeks or even less. But it's always a political decision of city councilors, left-wing city mayors, and so forth, essentially give stand-down orders to police. In the same way, canine, as in throughout world, you see homeless blight in various cities that didn't used to have this. You have Buenos Aires, a very nice city, but last few years people sitting at outdoor cafes constantly pestered by homeless, and that's entirely a political decision of the leftist city councilors and so forth. I just want to remark, people on Twitter are fond of hearing agitation stories. Oh, Paris is over, New York is over,

the businesses are shuttered. It's not quite true. New York, I know many people in New York, it's a very lively city and apparently a lot of police presence, but such problems as they do have with crime is always political decision because I don't even want I don't even I don't even want to say it's necessarily a racial politic, but just political decision You are saying in South Africa. It's more of a mix of both that and declining state capacity as such yes, so That way you've just said essentially People like big headlines they like to to see It's collapsed and it's game over and essentially we're all gonna die and then they want to point fingers and blah blah blah

That is the case in South Africa, but what's also the case here is the last part of that little bit of info you threw out there, which was it's not the same throughout the entire city. So yes, New York is a shithole in some aspects, in some places, I'm sure, but it's surely not the case throughout the entire city. And people like to look at that and go, man, things are really, really bad, and then that is their mindset going forward for the future. future so that is South Africa's a nutshell really where yes it's it's that meme I don't know if you've seen that meme where I think the last one was like they showed Brazil or Mexico where someone's got a gun to their head someone's house is getting robbed someone's car got hijacked and then

there's like the guy having a little barbecue that that is that is essentially what it is in South Africa it's such a beautiful place but you're going to stop on the side of the road to have a phone call because you're probably going to die. Yes, and I just want to remind the audience, again, perhaps it's a waste of time to address the concerns of libtards who may listen, but there are also squeamish centrists. You mentioned you work with sometimes black security also, personnel and such. The violence in South Africa that has to be addressed, I spoke this with your friend Robert Duygen also, it does not only affect white communities, it destroys the lives of everyone, the colored, they're called the mixed communities, the blacks themselves suffer greatly

because of this kind of predatory clientelist state that has succeeded the apartheid regime, which seems both malicious and incompetent. I just want to remind this to, because I'm sure you're aware of the Libtard narratives of white oppression and such, and I've brought up this problem, I remember even I brought it up 15 years ago. I was the problem in South Africa and so on. I've had libtards canine tell me, oh no, it's because the whites there are, they deserve it because of the past wrongs and this kind of thing. That's a very common thing among even, you know, polite libtards in the, I don't know, in Europe, but in the Anglo world, they act this way, you know?

But maybe they're unaware, not that it matters, of course they're retarded, but not that it matters, but you look at a place like Haiti and there have been repeated massacres of the mixed mulatto or colored population, not just the whites, you know, and then of course they all starve, so it's not, I just wanted to say that. It's funny how in South Africa it's the same sort of vibe where they go, well, we are where we are now. The favorite is we are where we are now because of apartheid. Or they'll tell you we are where we are now because of Jan van Riebeek landing on South Africa's shores in 1652. And I look at that and I like to say to people, well, there's numerous, countless success stories where black people have pulled themselves out of absolute poverty.

Poverty where the guy is living in a gutter in the middle of a shithole township And he's pulled himself out of that built himself something and he's successful, and you know he's living his life And he's happy that's because he decided to woke up one morning and was like well fuck it I'm gonna go do something with my life the problem is the majority doesn't do that the majority wants to live off of Handouts, you know the the give me's they they want the social grants. They want to be paid to do nothing It's just that mentality of take, take, take and that has a knock-on effect because you stand back and you look at the bigger picture and you see so many instances of looting, for example. I think in every day South Africa sees countless, countless, countless incidences of this.

I know in the U.S. it's more slightly, if you could call it, refined there where they swarm into a store and they grab everything and they run on out of there. Yeah, South Africa, it's a little bit more backward where they'll wait for a truck to break down and then they will clean the truck up or they'll wait for a truck to go up a hill because now the guy's got to drive slow because he's hauling tons up this hillside and then they'll swarm the truck. That sort of thing. This is like, people say, the Austrian school of economics, the Keynesian school of economics. I've called this the Brazzaville school of economics you give me that you give me that sorry go on no no that's that's one that's 100% on on on point except this is the the South African Bush economic

theory where if even if your car breaks down I mean a plane crashed not even a few weeks ago and the pilot was robbed and they were stripping the plane before You know that scene from Lord of War, where he lands the plane and they offload all the goods and they strip the plane? I swear, that scene was actually a documentary of a small part of South Africa and what happens here. Yes. Steve Saylor is fond of pointing out that the movie District 9, you've seen this by a South African director. I'd like to tell your followers, if I may, District 9 was a real-life documentary on South Africa, okay? Let's not be shy. Yes, yes. Well, people don't know that. Sailor likes to point out what you just did, that people watch it, they think it's a commentary on apartheid.

It's actually a commentary on present-day South Africa, right? Yes, yes, absolutely. Look, we don't have the aliens eating cat food, But we do have pretty much everything else. Bap, I'm going to have to ask you, can you give me two minutes? I just need to make, answer a phone call quickly. No, I've been keeping you for 20 minutes. It's time for a smoke break, K9. Let us take quick breaks then. We will be right back. Thank you, brother. Apologies, I'll be back in five. We are back to Caribbean Rhythms, special guest K9, man of, K9 Reaper, man of adventure and security consultant, South Africa. And we had to go to quick break, K9, because apparently you are always on standby, emergency call, I want to ask you about this. You had a problem with copper wire theft.

This widespread phenomenon now, South Africa, demolishing its existing infrastructure. We covered briefly on previous segment maybe general political situation, but really I want to talk to you about the specific tactical adventures and such that you are involved in and challenges you face day to day with a breakdown in law and order there. But you just had to take a quick phone call. I mean, I understand if you have to run in to take care of this, but what's going on with this copper theft wire? So that is the key statement there, the breakdown in law and order. That is just, it's perfect, it fits the whole bloody narrative, it's fantastic. So essentially, South Africa is, for the last few years, well, the last 10 years, more actually,

only recently in the last five or so has really started getting bad. We are riding multiple waves of copper cable theft. Now when I say copper cable theft anything goes. It can be gate motors that are stolen and stripped for their copper internals. It can be physical high voltage overhead copper lines that you see on those big scaffolding tripod thingies that carry these kilometer long cables. It can be underground, they can dig that stuff up as well. Usually it's like half a meter underground, half a meter to a meter they dig it up. And it's built its own over the years now. It has now become its own defined sort of field with regards to security efforts and things like that. Now it doesn't matter daylight, night time, early morning, whatever, if they want that copper cable, believe me,

they will do their utmost best to get it. Now, it's a very, very complicated web of how it works, but essentially, because South Africa has got so many green belts, all this open land where there is no infrastructure or anything built there, they become what we call servitudes where it's like little access areas and things like that. These little areas which are in every single city, town, suburb, neighborhood, whatever people want to call it. These little open green belts are slowly being overrun by what people like to refer to as vagrants. Yes. Essentially they are illegal land grabbers, I mean they're essentially stealing the land. come and set up a little shit shack in the middle of this beautiful piece of which is usually like a forest or an open felt or with the river running

through it you know this cute picturesque environments I mean that's why we have those green belts because of all the rivers running through usually it's because they can't build that close to the river so these this lot starts setting up all these little shit shacks all over and what do they do to make money they will steal your copper cable they will break into your your property small things like that and a part of that coin is also the they call them road surfers so your road road surfer is the guy pulling his little trolley along and he goes through people's dustbins essentially looking for items of value that he can sell usually it's the scrap recyclers so they are looking for metal such as cans, glass, paper, cardboard, just little stupid things like that, and they

then go back to the recycling place at the end of the week and when they got a certain amount of weight they sell it. Now the public looks at them, and this does tie into copper cable theft, the public looks at them 9 times out of 10 and they think oh so cute and cuddly and they tend to feed them and help them and all these things, yet if I go on patrol in evenings I have come across countless numbers of them that have house breaking implements on them or physical copper cable. Some of them if they see you pulling the trolley they will ditch their trolley and run away and if you go through it you'll find meters of copper cable. So yeah the copper cable theft thing is a really long web of what's happening. I mean, we can even go down the road of what's becoming a more recent trend.

Zamazamaz, which are your illegal gold miners, usually foreign nationals, usually foreign nationals. By the way, sorry to interrupt, these squatters you described to set up the mini favelas, they are South African blacks or they come from like Mozambique, Zimbabwe, so forth? So for the most part, yeah. So I don't want to say that it's always foreign nationals, but in most cases, I've usually come across foreign, I would call it a 60-40, foreign nationals versus South Africans. I see. Sorry to interrupt. So yes, you were saying Zama Zamas. What are Zamas? They are like illegal miners, impromptu miners, you know? Yes. So Zama Zama is a illegal gold miner and they usually come from foreign countries and into South Africa.

your individuals from Lesotho, Botswana, Mozambique, Zambia, Botswana, those sort of places, and they are now offering their services to the copper cable thieves in terms of protection. So before, where a community safety patroller, a police member, a security company, whatever, pulls up on scene and you think, okay, I'm going to chase a bunch of guys with spades pickaxes it turns out into a full-blown firefight because it's not just spades and pickaxes anymore it's it's someone's protecting them with ak-47s or fours or five rifles yes you know things that you don't want to go up against no matter who you are at the end of the day yes this this very interesting so before we go on because for foreigners especially for Americans this is unthinkable if you

you try to do your own community policing in the United States, the all-powerful American state will come down on you very hard, whereas it will not come down on, let's say, people blocking highways or many such. There were some horrible cases in the United States of people trying to stop. Someone was scoping out houses in their neighborhood and they're in their neighborhood, and they're going to jail for life, basically, because he grabbed their gun when they asked him questions, he ended up getting shot. I don't know if you've seen that case. In South Africa, what are the freedoms of, let's say, a hypothetical freelance community protector, community policing, who's, let's say you encounter these copper wire people, the copper wire theft people.

What can you do to them to stop them, whether or not they're armed? Can you impromptu arrest them, menace them with guns? Are you allowed to shoot them on sight? What is the attitude of the South African government and police to these things? Do they allow... I don't want to call it vigilante. Do they allow freelance community policing because otherwise... Yeah, yeah, okay. I hear what you're saying. I like that you don't want to call it vigilantism Because a lot of people look at it as they go You're just trying to fulfill the role of the police because you're trying to relive old lost days or whatever And it's obviously not not the case. So As it currently stands I wish I could pull up on scene and pop the guy who's stealing my copper cable

I don't know how vulgar we're allowed to get but fuck that guy Honestly, listen for my side get as vulgar as you like. This is this is entertainment show I say all kinds of words. It's yeah, so so fuck that guy In fact, he's already dug the hole why can't I just put him in it and close it up, you know? Yes, so we unfortunately are not allowed to do that even as a community safety volunteer we have to Follow the rule of law as per South Africa's Well entrenched Constitution and so forth but it doesn't mean that I as a civilian of this country can't get more involved and support the local police forces and so forth so what it usually looks like we're being very soft here obviously watering it down very very much for

obvious reasons but you know the holes don't fill themselves but yeah I'm not gonna ask you to edit that later don't stress so essentially you you pull up what scene and the guys run. They haul absolute ass. They are gone. And if I tell you these guys can run and jump over fences and clear obstacles, believe me, it's like nothing to them. Even an electric fence, they'll go straight through it like it's not there. Whereas you and I would stop and think twice. I don't want to get zapped. But that guy is so high on drugs and adrenaline and pure fear, it's like a wild animal that's trying to escape something they just disappear so usually you arrive on scene and you start chasing someone if you're lucky enough to see them first of all. Now it's usually at

night that all this happens you got to be careful because there are instances where you will chase after them and you will be engaged you will start receiving fire from his friends who have gone ahead of him and have actually set up sort of like the close close unit tactics essentially where they will set up a, call it a buffer zone and you can run into that buffer zone and they will open fire on you. It's obviously not every single time but it does happen, it happens enough that one can actually talk about it and discuss it. So that's that's sort of what's happening. Should you be able to catch the guy, you can legally apprehend him as a citizen of the Republic of South Africa whilst you wait for the police services or preferably hand him over to a security

company make it their problem but the usual steps and you can see why we're essentially slowly losing the battle let's be honest the next step in that spectrum is you have to prove that the copper cable firstly that he's pulling out of the ground belongs to the state so you have to get city power out so city power is is they they run the electrical stuff this side so they must come out and confirm it's their cable is city power gonna come out nine times out attend, no. You then have to prove that those tools that you found in his possession were actually his. So how do you do that? It is impossible unless you hit record on your body cam, which nine times out of ten guys don't do, you know, most people don't have body cameras. You cannot prove it, you just simply cannot.

So what happens? The community starts getting frustrated because their copper cable is getting stolen over and over and over again and they've decided well well, fuck this, we're now going to resort to mob justice, and the guy is going to get beaten almost to death, and sometimes even necklaced. You know the Winnie Mandela special? They get necklaced, or similar, and so yeah. Well I've seen this. You post frequently of, it's not you, it's not the security companies or consultants in the area, it's actually the local communities who go vigilante on these guys, because the state won't do anything about it. In that connection, I want to ask you again, just for my knowledge from Brazil, often, and again, I'm not asking about you or your friends, I'm asking in this case about the

South African police, because what happens in Brazil is the crime from the favelas sometimes gets so bad, the favelas are all run by cartels. So I want to ask you about organized crime in a little bit also. But they're all run by cartels. And sometimes it spills over outside of their turf wars and it gets so bad that outraged Brazilian police go in plain clothes off duty. And they, you know, I'm not defending this, whatever. They chimp out themselves in the favelas and they kill a bunch of people in the favelas. Most of them are criminals. but not always, they do a mini-massacre. Does that happen yet in South Africa? Do you have like off-duty state law enforcement that chimps out like in that way as a retribution or as a, because in real life they're not allowed

to do their jobs or something like this? Yeah, so no, not really to that degree. What we do have, which is I would suppose similar to that, you have a lot of police officials, members of the police force, especially higher ranking individuals, that are part of various task forces that will, for example, they will go and they'll find someone that they've been needing to find, a kidnapper or a home invasion suspect or cash and transit guys, whatever, and they will sort of, within a certain degree, work off the books in order to find him because the current legislation and all that is so difficult sometimes for them to work around. And they will implement methods that are considered illegal under South African law, unless you've

got the relevant permission, such as what they call MC catches or cell phone grabbers where, stingrays is the more popular term, apologies, where they will spoof a cell phone tower in order to try and locate where the individual is using his cell phone number and things like that. And I mean I've seen that with my own eyes, where they go to such lengths in order to try and um catch people otherwise sometimes it's it's near near impossible but no we specialize more in in mob justice unfortunately rather than the off-duty cop deciding fuck the bad guys i'm just gonna go shoot them yes yes they yeah the off-duty cops there i don't know if it happens as much anymore but they have their own little mini groups off the books mini mafias of off-duty

You know, sometimes they're corrupt, but sometimes they are just acting as, let's say, community policing of their own. But look, I want to ask you, you keep mentioning also cash-in-transit heists. I want to, well, before I ask you, what about copper wire? You say it gets stolen, presumably it gets resold. Do you have any information on that? Where do these people resell it to make money? can that be targeted at a higher level to stop that? I don't know. So basically, so the copper gets stolen, dug out of the ground, they cut it up to size, they put it into the fire to burn off the rubber and things like that to access the copper, that then gets taken to a guy who's going to melt it down and that's usually at the scrapyard. So

So the scrapyard is the center for copper cable theft for the most part in South Africa. And you know we spoke about those greenbelts earlier. What the public don't understand or refuse to acknowledge because it affects them going out to buy their frickin' soy-based latte in the morning is the fact that those greenbelts are also full of mini scrapyards where there's a guy and he's got his little container essentially and he fills it with the copper cable and then he processes it and sells it on. But who does he sell it to? I'm sorry I'm to be naive, I don't understand the details of this. Who is the buyer and what do they do with that? So I like the fact that you aren't seeing these questions because like I realized the other day,

for me what seems normal living in South Africa is obviously not normal to everyone else and I might overlook something because it's like well I'm so used to it, whereas someone else isn't. So the buyer is usually either a company within South Africa that's going to reuse it to, guess what, make more fucking copper cable or put it into components. Or the buyer is China, sometimes via places like Mozambique and things like that. So we have tracked, well not, I can't say we, it's not fair, but I have been a part of it where another group I won't mention has attempted to track stolen copper cable in the past and they were successful up to the point where The the stolen cable boarded a ship while processed on the cable

It now becomes bars and ingots and whatever boarded a ship and that ship was on route to China. Oh, yes, China Yes, the tracking device unfortunately Ran out of power some somewhere along the journey and they could never prove it went to China But the ship was on route to China. Yeah That's where it's going. Sometimes it goes to other African countries where, once again, it's processed to make more copper cable and components. Yes, K-9, I want to ask you later about this, because there are these people supposedly in dissident circles in United States and elsewhere. They are cenophiles, they love China, they talk about China's wonderful effects on Africa. But let's leave that for later in the episode, because I have some...

If the Chinese could stop poaching my fucking rhinos, please, that would be great. Yeah, the megafauna of Africa unfortunately is slated for extermination because Chinese men need Chinese penis cream. But let's get back to this in a moment because it's a special point for me, the wildlife of your beautiful country. But besides copper theft, what are some of the other typical crimes that you encounter? You keep mentioning cash in transit heists. This is like in movie, they try to hijack a money truck or when it loads in a bank, or what happens? So they will never try to hijack the truck, firstly, because it paints too big of a target on them. But essentially, what happens is, see, I'm trying to get to the point here, because I don't want to drone on and on. There's just so much happens.

But essentially, they- No, please get as detailed and artistic about these crimes as you want, because the audience loves this, I love it, yes. So, this is called the team. So, the team will hijack high-end vehicles, usually. It's usually BMWs and things like that, in most cases, and they'll try and get as high-end a vehicle as possible because they believe that the bigger the vehicle is, the stronger it usually is as well, and you'll understand why in a bit. They need something that's gonna survive and impact. Why? Because nine times out of 10, the way they stop the van, armored van that weighs a couple tons is by ramming it. So they will either have a head-on crash with it to make it stop because they need this van to stop or they will hit it in the side

and make it roll or whatever the case may be. Once the van has stopped they then start shooting at it usually well they start shooting at it before it stops but in a lot of cases they don't shoot first because then the van tries to get away. He doesn't even know what's coming if If you just ram him, you know straight away. So in most cases, they prefer him to stop before they open fire The vans armored but we are seeing the the use of armor-piercing ammunition and In a lot of cases this ammunition does Penetrate these these vans in certain spots now the van is stopped They get exceptionally exceptionally aggressive. They have to because they need everything's time time time time So they they need these guys out of the van firstly immediately

They then jump in the back themselves because all the cash it's in the back in these these safes and they put explosives on onto the back of These safes now the explosives. I mean we can go down the whole autistic road here. These explosives are usually illegal mining explosives Often supplied by Zama Zama's the same in years old miners. We spoke about earlier and And it's called the the forbidden sausage because it's a sausage. It looks like sausage in sausage casing. That's that's what it is It's designed to go into Holes that are essentially drilled into the rock face where they do their blasting now They they go and attach that and then whatever and then you'll you'll see the the van explode often these what kind of explosive

Sorry to interrupt. What kind of explosives is this? What do they use? So it's a it's actually a very good very good question There's different types that they use, but it's usually, as I say, mining explosives. I don't know the exact specifics off the top of my head right now of what exactly the composition and things like that are, but it's usually lit with a fuse, with a detonation charge. Is it something you could make at home, or does it require special expertise? It would require specialized expertise. Otherwise we would be seeing a lot more homemade explosive use, which we're not necessarily seeing. I'm sure there are people out there who have the knowledge and who probably would do it, offered enough money, but we're not really at that point. We're not yet Gotham City.

We're just short of Gotham City. So they'll blow the van and the money will go everywhere and they'll start collecting the money. Now there's a fantastic video I was trying to find for you. You see a bunch of heavily armed guys, like six of them run over with their R4 rifles and AK-47s, but they've got garden rakes in their hands because now they're raking up all this money that's flying through the air and on the ground and whatever. And so that is generally how it works. Then one person will take the money to a safe house and keep it for a short period, and then they will start splitting the money. Now the cash and transit heists are very syndicate based. These aren't usually spur of the moment, let's go hit a van, a lot of these guys are current

police members, current serving military members, or ex-police, ex-military, or just general all around bad guy, whatever. So you can see the expertise that comes down the road with this, now it's multiple vehicles that are hitting this van, so the van gets hit, he's off the road, blah blah blah, and now they start setting up stopper groups where they call it crossing the T where you will have a group in front and behind and anything in between those groups is shot to pieces. So that's what they call crossing the T. Now if anyone approaches that you're gonna receive gunfire that you really don't want. And yeah, usually they're in and out in like under 6 to 12 minutes it's crazy fast if you if you actually think about it and because

South Africa is so reliant on physical hard currency because of our large informal economy I don't see us ever going the route of digital and things like that thankfully because I like cold currency I don't want to yes you know use a digital thingy unless it's crypto or something like that but that is the long short of it and we haven't even touched on for example there's been a few cases where they will pour petrol gas fuel whatever people want to call it into into the cabin and threaten to light it on fire because they need these guys to get out of that van as quick as possible and they do that they will they they will install so much violence to prove a point you know they need the next van that they hit to be fearful so if the guys don't exit the the armored

front of the van they're known to use excess explosives so once they're done blowing the back and they collect their money they then blow the whole van up to kill those guys as well and that's that's the the the truth that many people don't accept is how violent something like that is yes it happens so much you'd start to think do the drivers of these vans are they allowed to heavily armed themselves can they kill in defense can is that so done so yes Yes they can and they should with all honesty be defending not just the money but themselves because this is your life at risk. That guy, yes he wants the money but he knows you're standing in between him and the money so he's going to take you out, he's going to do his level best to put you six feet under.

Now the typical layout is you've got the driver, you've got the front passenger and there's usually three guys in back sometimes out of a team like that only one guy has the long gun the rifle the rest all have nine millimeters or even revolvers which is no help in a lot of cases so they're they're outnumbered outgunned and I mean you're talking teams of up to 30 three zero individuals hitting a van at the same time, you wouldn't stand a chance. No one would, you know, in an instance like that. This canine, a very showy type of movie crime that, well, not the copper one, the copper one is typical gypsy stuff, but this cash-in-transit seems made-for-movie type crime. I wanted I have started calling those copper cable thieves, not gypsies, but you know Jawas from Star Wars?

Those short little things with the robes on, and if you crash your spaceship, they strip the thing. That is what copper cable thieves are. Fucking Jawas. Yes, well Jawas is very vivid image. For me, as a kind of Balkanoid type from East Europe, I'm used to rumors of this, the gypsies specialize in this. And also they specialize in cigarette smuggling, which I understand is another major operation type problem in South Africa, no? In South Africa it is huge. So we have entire groups, up to 100, 150 people at a time, that will cross the border illegally with illicit cigarettes and they are usually on their backs with burlap sacks and they bring them over now usually it's crossing a farm or something because there's like lots of farms and

things along the border and part of that part of that circle of life is they'll bring cigarettes over when they cross over the border sometimes they'll take the stolen copper cable with them. So it's the great circle of life. But let me ask you, why is there such a market in loose cigarettes? Are there high taxes on cigarettes in South Africa, or what's going on? There are. There are high taxes on cigarettes in South Africa, but also the informal market. Informal market doesn't give a shit about taxes. They don't want to pay the tax rate on cigarettes and things like that. So this is what they're supplying. Huge, huge markets. Do you happen to know are these real cigarettes or is it like they're made in South China with fake tobacco and licorice and things like this? Do you know this?

They usually are real cigarettes. Made in Zimbabwe and things like that and then smuggled over. Yes, I see. K9, these are, again, some funny, gypsy-type crimes, some movie-style crimes, but I wanted to ask you, end of this segment, about the worst type of crimes that people outside South Africa may know about, the farm attacks. What can you say about these? Are they increasing in frequency? Is it getting worse? What do you say about farm attacks? So again, there's a lot of guys that can cover that a lot better than I would, but I think with regards to farm attacks, yeah, so in a lot of cases people will tell you that they are racially motivated, that they are out there just to kill white farmers and things like that. In a lot of cases, yes, that is the case.

I will be out there and say that a lot of the farm attacks, if you look at what's happened, how it's taken part, the sheer level of violence leveled against the occupants of that farmhouse. I would go as far as saying yes, at some stages it's definitely racially motivated. What people need to understand when it comes to farm attacks in South Africa is this isn't your typical home invasion where the guy's gonna break into your house, steal your TV and run off into the sunset. This is a thing where attackers will assault the farmhouse and put the family through so much trauma that it's stuff you can't forget and stuff that most people could never possibly imagine. So I don't know if you want to go down that road of discussing how brutal it can be, but it is...

Discuss as you feel, K9. There is no reason to get squeamish, I mean, yes. So there are recorded cases where people will be drowned, for example, in boiling water, okay? There are recorded cases, and this isn't stuff that's being made up, or a single incident. These are continuous recorded, well vetted and whatever stuff. So there are cases where the females will be raped by the attackers and then they will try and force the son to rape the mother, for example. They will take broken glass bottles and shove it up women's private parts. will take broom handles and shove them up women's private parts they will even babies are not safe little ones six months younger older whatever they're murdered alongside their families I mean they don't pose a threat they they can't

even speak you know they don't understand what's going around or going on around them so sorry about that so it's it's brutal it's a sheer level of brutality I mean you're seeing fathers men of the household watching with their final breaths their wife being raped as the kids being drowned in the bathtub this sort of thing so they go in there to specifically input as much violence and damage to this family's lives as they possibly can before leaving and when they do leave, maybe they'll take a few South African rands with them, they'll take a couple cell phones, maybe a laptop, whatever. But I mean, it's definitely not the primary reason for them entering the farmhouse is for theft. It's definitely to cause harm. Yes. And so this

causing of harm, is it just I don't imagine it's merely the natural sadism of the population doing this there is a there is a political aim involved or something like this yes so there is a um there is a political motivation at times so if you look at for example the singing of kill the boor where they'll sing kill the boor especially it's an eff favorite um and then you'll come across farm attacks where they have painted on the walls kill the boor and things like that you look at that and you go, yeah, well, it's definitely politically motivated. So in a lot of cases, yes, it is politically motivated. Yes. Are these attacks increasing in frequency or is it stable is a bad word? Is it just a usual thing every year or is it getting worse?

Over the years, I think farm attacks have definitely gotten worse in frequency and in the level of violence that's being inflicted, and also with the population as a whole sort of relaxing and thinking it will never happen to them until it does happen to them. So yeah, over the years it has definitely gotten less ideal, let's put it that way. But let me ask you, farmers know these things are happening, are they taking measures to protect themselves? Is there anything that can be done to protect them? Can there be rural militia patrols of the farmers themselves or their friends or things like this? What's being done to stop this since the state seems either incapable or actually complicit in egging

these on? So it's actually a very valuable question you've asked there because there was a system known as the kamondo system many many many years ago where farmers would actively patrol themselves their neighborhoods their rural roads and things like that and they would work hand in hand with the local police force etc and it was known as the kamondo system that was essentially banned and no longer allowed so they tried to take the power of essentially defending yourself away from them. And then there was, not that long ago, where they wanted everyone to hand over their firearms and a lot of people were dumb enough to come forward and give their firearms into their local police station and only now are people trying to buy more guns

realising that things are changing and it's never going to get better. Yes, I think that there is a political motivation in a lot of these farm attacks. I'm not saying all of them, but in a lot of them, there's definitely political motivations and aspirations behind it. But then it's also important to note that on the other side of the coin, a lot of these farmers are getting whacked by their own family members. Not saying a lot of them, but some of them are being killed by jealous wives, jealous husbands, you know, stupid small things like that. Yes. Well, I mean, how much of that can there be? But I'm getting to something in all of my questions about the level of, let's say, political direction of all these types of crimes that you are talking about and level ultimately of organization.

Are these, what you described even in the copper wire theft, it sounds quite well organized, quite well armed, they anticipate a response, they have small teams waiting to ambush somebody pursuing them. Similarly, in the farm attacks, forgive me, I don't know the landscape of South Africa so well, but I imagine a street thug in Johannesburg or something does not have an easy time getting out to the middle of nowhere in a secluded farm, knowing which one to attack and so on. There must be some equivalent of, let's say, this word probably not used in South Africa at the moment, but some level of rural guerrillas with local knowledge of what and where to attack and so forth, where to inflict terror. I'd like to take a break perhaps sometime

soon-ish for us to have, maybe you want to talk this when we come back, but I want to ask you what is the level of organization of all this breakdown in law and order in South Africa? Is this organized crime? Is it politically organized crime? Absolutely. So you can answer it now or when you get back? I don't mind. Well, let's keep going. Let's keep going now since we are rough, yes. Okay. So you make a good point there because you're saying that these in the rural areas in the middle of absolutely nowhere guys are just pulling up and assaulting a farmhouse and then leaving and then you look at it and say but you know a lot of people say there can't be any any political backing behind it, but you look at the amount of planning that goes into it.

Some of these farmhouses are being hit where there are famous pictures out there of signal jammer packs that are being used so that no one inside the farmhouse can call for help because they know that the local farmhouse might be part of, for example, the local, what they call PLASWACH, which is your farm watch. It's your community safety initiative, yes and they don't want them to be able to phone or radio for help so they assaulted with jammer packs and we're not just talking your standard Temu Aliexpress freaking made in China jammer pack we're talking proper military grade portable jammer packs that they're running off of gate motor batteries and and things like that so yes you look at all of that and you think to yourself

There must be something going on behind the scenes that people don't know of, and there has been cases where people have played connect the dots and they can in some instances track it back to political aspirations, but it's not as if the government is offloading people by helicopter to assault a farmhouse at this stage. Yes. No, of course, but what about the general issue of organized crime? there some equivalent of mafia-type activity for getting the political side of it for the moment? Cartel or mafia-type activity? Some, you know, the ones in Brazil and Mexico are highly organized ex-military people. It's not, you know, a street thug chimping out in a bar, you know? Yeah, yeah. So if you're referring to farm attacks on that spectrum...

Not just farm attacks, but all the crime. I just want to address an issue of organized crime in South Africa and what is the nature of that? So South Africa has general crime, obviously an organized crime just like every country in the world, but we're a bit unique in that regard. I mean, we go as far as, for example, we have mafias and syndicates for almost everything. There are copper cable theft syndicates, there are cash and transit heist syndicates, there are hijacking syndicates, there are construction mafias, water mafias, you know water the life force you need to drink in order to survive? They're all water mafias because the infrastructures collapse to such a point where they've got to bring in water tankers so what do they do? They

hijack the system and make sure that they are employed and they kill their competitors in order to make sure that they're the only ones who are supplying water via tankers. You've then got your taxi syndicates because the majority of South Africa's informal workforce relies on on our taxi system to get where they need to go for work and leisure and whatever, where the taxi routes are policed by their own members who are employed for the purpose of ensuring that seaport with that taxi can only deliver people within this area for example and they shoot each other to pieces they will blow each other away they don't give a shit where the guy is they will mag dump the hell out of that vehicle wherever he is and wherever he's going, and turn him into Pink Mist because they want his taxi routes.

Yes, I see. So we essentially have a mafia for, or a mafia syndicate, organized crime, whatever the hell people want to call it, for everything. I don't think anything in this country is untouched by organized crime. Are they kind of small outfits like you say, or is there major, you know, major syndicates with mob bosses on the level of Escobar or Chappo or people like that, you know? Definitely on the level of Escobar and Chappo and those sort of people, Eddie Guaro and all the rest. So, yeah. So, even, I mean, rhino poaching, for example, South Africa's megafauna. Yes. Also, usually syndicate-based, for example. Yeah. And the mob bosses are native South African, but I mean, they're South African nationals who are from the tribes and so forth, right, or something? Not always.

So for the Zamazamas, for example, they have actually got a hierarchy. It's organized crime. I know a lot of people say they're just autism or minors, but it is organized crime because they've got a hierarchy structure where they wear these blankets to stay warm. also their signature look. The color of the blanket actually means something to the various syndicates that are there. A lot of people don't know this. So they've got their generals. They've got the guy who is in charge and control of how they operate. They've got a guy who's literally in charge of training. I mean, they are, at the end of the day, you can actually compare Zama Zamas to ISIS in terms of how they train and operate, just minus the blowing people up for it. Yes, I see.

And listen, I think we go to a quick smoke break and then come back, discuss some particular matters regarding your own adventures and the equipment being used currently in South Africa and such. If you wouldn't mind that, it's very interesting both to me and my audience. Before we go, I wanted to ask you, you must know South African expats around the world, perhaps, when you tell them what's going on in South Africa now, I have friends who tell me, oh, I have this South African friend, I tell them about the copper wire theft, I tell them about the farm murders, they refuse to believe or such. What kind of answers are you getting from South African expats? Are they aware of what's going on? The friend who just told me this, he has a friend in South Africa,

He tries to call him there to time the calls because the electricity goes out in South Africa so often. But apparently there are many South African expats, you know the type I imagine, who deny what's going on. How do they respond when you tell them these things? A lot of them will say, yes, that's why I left, or they'll turn around and they'll be like, wow, things have really changed since I was lost there and things like that. I think that the majority of them, to be honest with you, don't actually care. And the reason I'm saying that is that Africans have a general air around them of not caring. I mean, that's essentially why we are where we are today. People just don't give a fuck in this country as to what's going on. Yes, I see. Yes, well, this unfortunate canine,

because it's beautiful land and deserves to be civilized by its, I believe its European population. But in any case, look, let us take a short break and come back, discuss some technical aspects of adventure and defense in South Africa. What do you say? Perfect. We will be right back. Back with K9 Reaper, man of adventure. Again, his ex-Twitter account, one of most exciting, of my favorite media outlets right now, just video after video and photos of a documentary record what's going on in South Africa, including his own patrols and adventures I highly recommend. And I wanted to, you just posted K9 about, this is an odd story, there was a training camp recently uncovered in South Africa. It's apparently a Libyan camp, you've just posted

on this? Libyan camp in South Africa, what's going on with this? So essentially it was discovered that there was a military-styled, I don't like using that word in this context, but military-styled training camp in the middle of the Mpumalanga bush, close to a place called White River, where there were Libyan nationals training. Something like 95 or 96 Libyan nationals, individuals, just under 100, were undergoing military-style training with the goal of going back to Libya, apparently, and toppling the UN-backed government that side. So these individuals, if you take a look at the camp layout and the whole structure and the logistics behind this, they were clearly planning on staying here for at least six months or more and undergoing training.

Now I would like to stress for the listener, personally I'm all for training. I think if people want to own firearms in South Africa and they want to do their thing, they must undergo training. Now those of us who have operated within these various industries, we've all undergone this type of training. Everything that you see in that camp we have all done to a certain degree, some of us more than others. So I'm not bashing the training. I think the training is something that everyone should do. I don't think we should be training foreign nationals on our soil, they can fuck right off, but the training is something people should be doing. Now, what sets it apart, this camp, and makes it a bit different, is there's a vast trench system there.

And that is sort of what caught everyone's attention is the fact that these guys are training on clearing trenches and storming bunkers and other things like that. There was a nice little bunker in the middle that trench structure and that is sort of what got the gears going on it now firstly it's just under 100 Libyan nationals that all applied to coming to the country for educational purposes for study purposes essentially so it was heavily misrepresented misrepresented good grief it's been a long day and they rocked up and started undergoing military training so the locals in the village next to it, or settlement that's about two kilometers, two point something kilometers from them, were stating how these individuals would enter the

local area, go to the Shabin, and they would stress on how they would operate. So they would, the way they walked, moved, their mannerisms, what they were saying and doing and how they were doing it, all closely ties into small unit tactics. So that is essentially what this ended up becoming then, and there's nothing that anyone can say that can't prove it. If you look at, add everything up, it is a foreign nation-backed training facility on South African soil, is what it is at the end of the day. Yes. But in your explanation online about this, you say that Russian involvement, has that been proven as… So there's various news stories that are going around saying that it is Russian backed. Now I don't see why it wouldn't be.

We are usually very friendly with the Russians and things like that, well my government is, and if you tie everything in, it's a very convoluted frickin' story, but firstly we We don't have lots of information on actually what's happened there because the authorities are keeping this under the table, heavily, heavily under the table with regards to the amount of information that they are releasing. Most probably because if you look at it, you don't just set up a training, foreign nation training camp in someone's country and the government officials there are not aware of it. Someone knows something and got kickbacks obviously as a result, surely. Now with regards to the Russian thing, this is something that some news agencies are claiming

where they're saying that these separatist forces are backed, I mean they are separatist forces, they want to go back to Libya and topple the government, that that's what the claim is. They're saying that they are possibly Russian backed because the same force is well known in Libya for accepting Russian arms and money and things like that. Yes. aside from general associations of these people, were Russian trainers and advisors found already associated with this camp in South Africa, or so far it's just speculation based on the background of the of the group involved? So it's more speculation because of the group itself. Again, the authorities

unfortunately, they're not releasing almost anything. They're only giving us enough to say, okay, that's illegal and they shouldn't be there, essentially. As far as I understand, they haven't found any physical Russian-backed trainers there. I think if they did, they would have put them on a plane and flown them out of here immediately, because our government is well-known, unfortunately, for supporting the Russian government and receiving support in return. Well, I wanted to ask for a moment about this. Why would Russia choose South Africa of all places in Africa? Africa. I mean, I understand they want in various locations around Africa, like Niger, Wagner, and so forth, has been pushing out with local backing, of course, it's been pushing

out the French and the Americans. It's normal they would want to try something similar in Libya, but why would they train the people in South Africa when there are so many other locations in Africa that are perhaps under maybe even more chaotic. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Is South Africa that chaotic and full of, let's say, law enforcement holes, let's say, that Russia would choose it? Or is it the BRICS thing? Or is the government of South Africa more friendly to Russia than others in Africa? Or what's going on? Do you have any speculations on this? I love that question because firstly you sort of answered it yourself there in a way by saying that you know by asking are things that are out of control here yes things really

are that out of control here firstly and secondly it's actually a really good question the one that I haven't seen anyone else ask because for them to come and train here there must have been some sort of political backing that helped them get into the country to train the logistics behind it, etc, etc. There must have been some source of physical power that allowed them to arrive here and start doing their thing. If I were to, for example, raise a PMC and I were to do it in someone else's country, you don't just do it without political backing if you think about it. You're not just going to rock up as Wagner and start training troops in the middle of call it Kenya or something without their government knowing about it and approving it.

Yes. No, I think so also. But canine, let's leave this interesting event as it is behind for a moment. I am very curious, my audience curious about your particular experiences, adventures in South Africa. You've posted quite a few times, your times on patrol during quite hectic days and nights of what is a typical patrol night for you like what if you can get into the details I don't know I don't want to compromise your security but if you can get into the details of what what goes on in this is very curious to know this so we have to be very watered down again and just it is what it is on that regard but yes what I can and will say is is that firstly it it has its moments so some nights nothing happens it's boring it's

long etc but it's a requirement you know get out there and help other nights it's chaos I mean I have had patrollers as friends die because they were shot or they were ambushed because that's becoming a prevalent thing now where community safety individuals, police, not so much police but more community safety guys are being ambushed by the local no-gooders that want them to die so that they can continue doing what they're not supposed to be doing. So yeah a typical process is essentially you, well the way I do it everyone does it differently but my kit is always ready to go. I've got a medical pack, I've got my plate carrier and I've got my radio and thermal hand-held units that we use. So everything is always charged, ready to go because we could be talking right now and

I get a call and we got to go. So everything is always, always ready. Now what it involves is you're essentially going into a lot of high-risk areas. It's just how it is. You have to go into places where the bad things are happening and they tend to happen in bad places. So you're out there exposed, supporting the local police force. You're not trying to replace them. We are citizens, again. We're not law enforcement, Ts and Cs. And you're out there supporting the local police force or military or other security companies, depending on what the requirement is. And it involves everything from combating copper cable theft, combating cash and transit heists, combating Zama Zama activity, combating violent home

invasions and along the way on this journey unfortunately as it happens is you could get injured you could see the most horrific things you could possibly imagine and you do lose friends unfortunately people do die they get injured they do pass away I mean I've had instance where a fellow patroller of mine he jumped into his Bucky to go on patrols a few years ago and he was reversing out of his driveway in his Hilux a taxi stopped behind him four guys got out and just opened fire on his vehicle and when I say open fire mean they mag dumped into into his Bucky and he passed on as a result they then climbed into their vehicle and drove off So it was definitely a hit and he was a very well-known community safety

Patroller. Yes. Yeah, they they flattened him as unfortunate as it is now. We have to live with that knowing Possibly one day it could be one of us and you take necessary proportions in order to make sure it isn't you but yeah It's not I don't want to to sell a picture of it being cute and cuddly and we just get in a car and it's shits and giggles and driving around. There are moments, you know, you have fun, you enjoy yourself, it's life, you know, you're supposed to enjoy it, but it's always that heightened sense of preparedness for the next stage, the next stage, the next stage, you know, as you've gone through the patrol. Do you have a particularly colorful anecdotes? I have a friend, he is emergency medical type in Minneapolis, which at times resembles South Africa.

Right now, United States has this kind of, she resembles, I think, South Africa Durban-type politician, retired Kamala Harris, who is a runner. Yes, she's running. Apparently, she might choose for running mate, the governor, I think, of Minnesota. So they will run on their wonderful record of what happened there in 2020, which is where the city of Minneapolis was burned for many days straight because of police stand downs and America's own type of Zama Zamas chimping out. But he tells me wonderful humorous stories he goes to in those neighborhoods. And you might have schizophrenic who is on door of death, but nevertheless starts brawling with the EMTs, emergency medical officials, even as he's dying, they're trying to save his life.

But, you know, and then he has to punch in the face just to get him to relax so he can save his life. But do you have, well, any colorful anecdotes? I think I like such an adventure anecdotes. Oh absolutely so a good example of something like that would be the let's call it the July riots of 2021. I know it's a whole topic all on its own but an interesting story from that was a South African member of the police who was it was near Alexander Township that area he was shot through both legs it was an AK round that went through through both legs and we were there applying first aid to be able to get him to the hospital. We had to call in an armored medical van to get him out of that zone because no one could move. That was one of the ones that I suppose

stuck in my mind. He unfortunately passed on from what I understand even though we did a level best before the medics arrived on scene. I mean, I have been to scenes where a good example, a local crack house where we supported a SAPS operation and everyone's hitting up meth and all these things that you could possibly imagine. One of the officers tries to handcuff a guy. The guy then physically shits all over himself so that you can't touch him. He then takes the same shit and he starts wiping it all over his hands and his own face and just coats himself in this stuff um and then he charges at all of us i'll never forget it he runs straight at us you've never seen other people in body armor run so fast before because fuck that guy

and he he runs he runs straight at us and uh as as a as a result they shot him yes with it was a rubber bullet though from a 12-gauge shotgun and they had no choice now when they when they were trying to handcuff him he he started it was a weirdest thing he started saying stuff that no one understood and he just started chewing his own tongue so he bit off chunks of his tongue and started falling out of his mouth like pieces of meat and it was his own tongue. So we've had a few wild rides. I mean, I've been on a patrol and I've had someone walk up to me with a knife in their chest just on the side of the street. And the guy's like, can you help me? And I took one look at it and I'm like, yeah, you're going to need help. That's for sure. We've had cases where suspects have tried to run

away from local police or us or whatever. And the suspect has run in front of a car a car has gone straight through the guy and turned him into pink mist. I've seen Zamazamas trying to get away and they're running along a cliff face and they slip and fall and they hit the ground and the ground is like 50 to 80 meters at the bottom. The human body makes this wet thump sound from that distance. I've seen cops arrest Zamazamas and their friends open fire on them, not to hit the cops, but to kill the Zamazama friends that he doesn't give out information, so it's absolutely wild, I mean you'll pull up on a scene where a guy has been shot to pieces with automatic rifle fire and the fingers hanging off of a thread

and parts of his head are literally blown away, it's like stuff you see in Ukraine right now. He's got rounds that have gone straight through him, etc. A friend's dead in the car, the driver's still alive, and the driver is just in shock. You know, the body just sits there, and you can see they're just waiting to die at this stage. Scenes like that, and it's unfortunate to talk about it like that, but it's the realities of life here. Well, it's amusing. I want to ask you the, sorry, I mean, please keep going, of course, but you brought up the zama-zamas. It reminded me of something in all of your stories. The zama-zamas, you say, are probably from neighboring countries, I assume, like Mozambique, Zimbabwe,

et cetera. But I've heard of, you've met Nigerians, I've heard there's a Nigerian presence, South Africa and that there are Nigerian debt collectors and that they use, to intimidate their prey, they use a hyena or a half-domesticated hyena on a chain. Is this true? Is this true? Have you seen this? So that's not something I've seen in South Africa, though I'm pretty sure at this stage it's happening. I mean South Africa's at a point now where... Or a baboon, or a baboon, because they're very intimidating. I could probably turn around this stage and say that they're walking fucking great white sharks on leashes in Jo'burg CBD, and it's probably happening. That's how things are here. So I wouldn't be surprised, honestly.

Yes, apparently hyena, you can half domesticate if you raise it from babyhood, and it will be as affectionate and nice to you as any other pet, except it's still by blood a wild animal and one day it will decide it's not a pet and will just bite off an arm, this is what I hear about this kind of animal. And knowing the bite force that he's got, I would prefer not to have it as a pet if at all possible. Oh no, it will just bite the arm right off, it's not like, it's not a little nibble. But I am curious how war and your, because you're really describing a low-grade civil war, let's face it, and as we see Ukraine, other places, even Mexico cartels are using now these kinds of sophisticated equipment like signal jammers that you've mentioned,

and I wanted to ask you how this has changed your job and what you're seeing in terms of this kind of advanced equipment, whether it's signal jammers or jammers or especially Drones, do you see this? And what's going on with this? So I want to make something well-known, or not well-known, but I want to make something straightforward. When it comes to the use of signal jammers, a lot of people hear the word signal jammer and they sort of lose their minds. Like the Americans hear the word signal jammers in some cases and you can see that they're genuinely scared and concerned about it and and the first thing they want to know is how to combat it. But what I tell people is that it's the same thing in South Africa, a signal jammer in my eyes,

maybe to someone else, but to me, doesn't change anything. And the reason I say that is yes, it is a call it an advanced piece of technology if you want to, all it does is block signal. So you can't phone out, your alarm system is not going to reach your local security company, the tracking and GPS unit in your vehicle is not going to operate because you know they like to use them in cash and transit lights for that purpose or your home wifi is going to go down so your security cameras might not work if they're on wifi you know all these sort of things the way i look at it and I try to remind people even in my day to day life is if a guy were to hit my property with a signal jammer in play it doesn't change anything for me because i'm not phoning the police first

that's for sure, you can't do that under stress or under pressure. Secondly, a signal jammer at the end of the day, it doesn't jam lead. It's not going to stop you from firing your handgun should you need to in a life-threatening situation. All it will do, as I say, is block the need to call for help, essentially. And that is why they use them primarily in hijackings because they they want the the unit inside the vehicle to to not be able to speak to whatever it has to speak to so they can find the vehicle and secondly in cash and transit highest it stops the team inside that armored van from radiating for help and also it again once again jams that GPS tracking unit so in in those cases it's a bit of a shit one because there I will say yes it

changes the playing field especially in CITs because that that team in that van needs as much backup as they can get and if you cannot call for backup while shitmate you're out of luck. So for them it's a bit of a shit one. For someone like me, standard citizen every day living in my house, I look at the signal jam and it's like well okay good for him he's got a piece of technology that is awesome and all that but it doesn't do anything to me it doesn't you know it doesn't level the playing field for him it doesn't give him the edge that's for But if you're out on patrol, I'm sorry, I'm speaking as a complete neophyte and inexperienced in this. I assume you have a small team and you're not always together. You have to communicate with each other.

If you are trying to set something up, the other side has signal jammers. You can't communicate other friends on your patrol. Isn't this a problem? It is, but it's important also to understand the limitations of a signal jammer as well. it can only jam signal within a certain distance. Even some of the most high-powered units will only jam up to like 80 meters at the most. Those average little ones that you see with all those pictures of mine, those little green freaking boxes with all the antennas, they usually jam maybe within 10 meters at the most. So that's more for like GPS and things like that. So So again, it's a tool that they are using, particularly in cases like for example some of the, when it comes to copper cable theft, some of the substations and switching houses

and stuff have signal technology in them and they use it to jam that technology so that it can't tell the system operator something's wrong. So when they steal cable they can get away with it and things like that. So in those cases, yes, it's a problem and it's a huge issue, but in terms of the distance that they can achieve, I mean, those smaller ones can't even signal jam a whole house in some instances. Yes. Interesting. What about drones, K9? What drone? Has this changed anything? Do you see drones used on these outings you have? We do. And it goes both ways. We use drones and sometimes they use drones. So now our drone usage is obviously sanctioned and we've got all the relevant permits and T's and C's and blah blah blah once again.

Now the bad guys, and we're seeing it more and more often now, Zamazamas are launching drones to give them the edge when it comes to raids and things like that. Sometimes you will start a raid in an old mining area to take out Zamazamas and whatever and they'll just be a random drone hovering in the air and it'll hover until it has to land on its own and it returns you know it's got that RTH return to home it flies back and it lands and touches down from where the guy launched it and there's no one there to collect it and you immediately know Zama put it into the air to see who was coming and what was happening or whatever and because he went underground he's lost signal with and he can't communicate with the drone anymore so they are using drones

um we don't see them so much in home invasions though there was an instance or two in the in not too long ago where a drone was used to survey a neighborhood um there's a picture of the guys by the car and it lands and again the car and race off and um in yeah so it is being used there but we are for example using them to um combat what's happening in these green belts and stuff send a drone up, turn the thermal IR camera on, and it's very difficult to hide from that unless they disappear into like a foresty area. So for us, they're giving us the absolute edge. For the bad guy, not so much. I think they're too physically retarded to understand the use that they can get out of it at the end of the day. Yes, these drones that are being used by

the opponents in the signal jammer, some of which you said are, even if they don't change things as much as people do. You said that they are sophisticated, advanced signal jammers. Do you know where these things are manufactured? Where are they getting, or regardless of where they're manufactured, who is supplying them with this equipment? Do you know? So the signal jammers you find are being shipped in usually from China, and they are very, very easy to get a hold of. You can actually order one right now off of AliExpress and sometimes on Amazon and things like that and they'll deliver it straight to your house. Especially those well-known same looking models got a little speaker in the front and all those aerials on the on the back of it.

Now to get your hands on them not difficult at all. To detect them also not necessarily too difficult but to find those who are selling them is not as easy, unfortunately. Yes, no, but you mentioned that there are some military grade ones that you can't get online. Do you know who are they getting them just on regular black market that anybody can or are they being supplied by a foreign government? So here's the thing. A lot of times something will happen somewhere in South Africa and they can trace that back to firearms that that were taken out of a military base, our side, the SNDF, the South African National Defence Force. And in some cases, soldiers even rent out their equipment, just like the police do.

The police are well known for renting equipment and taking it back after, you know, the bad guys do their thing. Same thing with the military. And you look at that, I mean, there's that one well known picture of that jammer pack that the guy has when he goes in to do the farm attack. look at that and you know immediately that some military unit rented their equipment out to this guy to use, you don't just find that lying around. Yes, you know, I mentioned Brazil, there is a famous Brazilian movie, Elite Squad, I don't know if you've seen this, it's about a special operations unit that attacks cartel type in The favelas, it was designed for urban warfare, essentially. And this movie, I think, made 2007, sometime around then. Widely condemned by the international left

as a supposedly a fascist movie, but widely loved inside Brazil. Audiences broke out in applause as this unit was killing criminals. And they show also what you've called, is it called necklacing where you put a tire around somebody's neck and so they show, you know. The Winnie Mandela special. The Winnie Mandela special which the Brazilian cartels have adopted as a cultural appropriation from your nation. But the way this movie starts is this team is surveilling exactly what you just described now. Corrupt police selling equipment to the cartels And this unit had, I think it still has permission to kill. So they just summarily execute by sniper fire the policemen who are making these sales. I assume that such a thing does not exist yet in South Africa, but it does in Brazil,

although I hear this unit, it's called BOPE, if people want to look it up, B-O-P-E. It doesn't have quite the standards it used to 10, 15 years ago, I hear. But this brings me to other question. I assume then that the weapons used by the criminals and bandits that you encounter can also be advanced weapons gotten from the South African police or rented out by military or such. Although so far you've described AK-47s, I assume these are just, you know, standard black market, standard black market weapon. Would you mind commenting on the types of weapons you've encountered among the enemy? And also, I don't know if you can comment on this, K9, but the types of weapons you and your friends have and are allowed to use? I don't know if you can't comment on that, no problem.

Yeah, no, no, we'll go all the way. So firstly we've come across everything from police issued handguns, which is usually the Beretta, I forget the name now, it looks like the 92FS, the old school Berettas, other handguns such as Glocks, CZs, Tauruses, things like that. We've come across the more exotic such as R1s, R4s, I've seen an FAL, you know Rhodesia never dies. I've seen a FAL being used. This is obviously about bad guys. Typical AK-47s of different types. Yugoslavian AK-47s, which are very nice, hard to find as well. Folding stock, under stock versions, whatever people want to call it. And then the more well-known South African rifles such as the R1, the R4s and things like that. Uzis. I've seen Uzis being used. The Israeli

special and I've even seen a PKM but that was with that that was with I mean that's like old Soviet style surplus weaponry that was with Zamas Zamas so the the the we can even go as far I mean the July riots of 2021 for example they robbed an ATM because during those riots there was this chaos they hit an ATM and they left a live hand grenade with the pin pulled up behind in one of the ATMs either they try to blow up the ATM and it failed or they were planning on hitting first responders who responded to the scene. Either way those are in use as well. The Zama Zamas like to make homemade a type of landmine. It's very rare to see it but it's triggered via a very rudimentary plate that sparks an electrical current. I'll have to find the exact

specification but it essentially is triggered to a fuse that sets off you know the forbidden sausage explosives and yeah so we we go up against everything from rifles to handguns god I've even seen crossbows in use I've seen a home invasion where the guy used the crossbow yes so we go full medieval as well, apparently. In terms of what we use, we use on our patrols primarily, if it's security, if it's actually for a security company, the security company will give you a firearm, it could be a rifle, a handgun, whatever your specification is. And yeah, that's for the security company side of things, essentially what's used, it must be registered with that company obviously and you, sorry, arrested by them and you must obviously have the required

permits to use it. But are you allowed to use fully automatic weapons and such? No, unfortunately as whether you are private security or a normal citizen of South Africa you cannot use automatic weapons. You can, there is a way to purchase them but you have to have so many different permits and collectors licenses and whatever. But the police are allowed to use automatics and so are the military. I see. Well, at least there's that. But I wanted to ask you regarding the July 21 riots, when I had Robert doing it on the show, I mentioned the worry of many people like me outside South Africa who don't know what's going on there exactly, the worry of some Rwanda situation, a massacre of that scale happening. And he was dismissive of that.

He said, you know, they even kind of tried this in July 21, but they're so incompetent, they got nowhere close. Their whole system broke down. So they cannot even, I mean, people maybe don't realize that the Rwanda genocide was not just a sporadic chimp out. It was more like a government plan thing. Would you agree with his assessment or is that a possible risk for, let's say, not far future, but near to mid-term future, such a thing happening in South Africa? I would agree with Dagon's assessment. I think it's a fair assessment in that regard, because I'm not a subscriber to the fact that South Africa will see a civil war, and I'll be honest with you, it's because I'm very involved in the security

industry in South Africa and I can tell you now there are a lot of people out there who will make sure that something like that doesn't happen and a good example of that is let's return back to the July riots of 2021. Alexander Township erupted and they started looting Pan-Africa Mall inside that township and they were going for the actual Alexander Mall that's next to it. Now the The security companies within the, well a lot of security companies responded and there were rubber bullets and stun grenades and things flying everywhere, it was chaos for like three nights solid and the security guys were slowly but surely being overrun. So eventually everyone stepped back and said you know what, fuck them if they want to loot

and rape and pillage and destroy their own neighborhood because let's be honest they went off to low hanging fruit which was the closest shops to their fucking houses. The security companies withdrew and held them within their respective shitholes. So they kept them in Alexander Township and stuff like that and let them destroy their own shithole rather than destroying the surrounding neighborhoods. So should a genocide-type behavior break out to that degree or should civil war-like behavior break out to that degree, there would be many of us that would make sure it wouldn't get far. And again, I don't want to compromise special knowledge, but the people who would want to oppose this have the requisite weapons in store and numbers to stop that. Yes, definitely.

South Africa has the largest private security industry in the world, to give you an idea. Yes, yes. This is very interesting. I want to just flat out ask you about Chinese involvement in all this, because again, there's a lot of synophilia, of course on the left, but now on the so-called dissident right, they're like, yeah, the Chinese, they're sticking it to the international American empire, the gay empire, and so on. And I very much disagree with that, because I think as bad as even libtarded United States and West Europe is, the Chinese supremacy anywhere results in, they would literally rewrite history, wipe out history if they could, and so forth. Maybe you don't want to agree with that that far, but I know from Cold War era that China, Maoist China, was the spearhead

of anti-colonial, so-called really anti-white actions in Africa especially. It was, yes, the Soviets were active there, but very often the Soviets were dragged along into these conflicts by China and also by some of their satellites like East Germany and Bulgaria were exceptionally aggressive in the third world, and they were the ones pulling the Soviets in often. Everyone knows in part about Soviet involvement. I think Chris Hani and other top leaders of the ANC spoke fluent Russian. They had all studied in Moscow and so forth. But I know about Chinese involvement, and I want to know, do you see this Chinese fuckery in South Africa now against the English and Dutch, I would call them native populations actually, they precede the Zulus

and many other so-called natives in South Africa, but do you see that type of interference by China, negative interference in South Africa? So to a certain degree, yes, I mean, during Zuma's administration, everyone knows who freaking Jacob Zuma was, you know, he got very, very close with the Chinese, as did many of those within his organization. So China, I mean, they, as far as I understand it, we loan a substantial amount of money from them. So they're putting us into a debt corner. They are part of BRICS, which is Brazil, Russia, India, China, the whole trade conglomeration. And China has a fantastic thing of coming forward and saying, hey, we're going to help you build infrastructure, but we want stuff in return. So there's that aspect.

China has done joint military training operations with us. I mean, you know America looks at like looks at us like that and they not, you know, too too impressed with that You know America doesn't want to see that sort of thing They have invested a lot of money and stuff into this into this country But all that means at the end of the day is that because we are relying on them for help It means you can't say no to things that they want us to do as well. So with regards to to that China's definitely meddling within our affairs but the problem is the problem is you know you need a you need government oversight for example of a population in order for your affairs to be meddled in but we don't have government oversight so whatever China's trying to do I'm

sure that the poor guy sitting in Beijing that's just been trying to get our government to do something for him well welcome to Africa buddy because he's probably so frustrated because fuck all's happening I'm pretty sure I mean I'd love to see those emails. He's probably desperately trying to get someone to get off their ass and go do something hokey, but it's just not really happening at this point in time. Yes, the Soviets ran into the same thing. Of course, they got all the leaders in Moscow studying, and I'm sure they had kompromat, they had them photos with cocks in their mouths or whatever. But then they found out that in Africa, things run differently and their orders weren't being followed, and so it just became a money sink for Russia there.

I'm sure that the bigger plans of China in Africa for these reasons won't work out, but let me just ask you, flat out, if you see any evidence of certain darker, immediate things going on, for example, during Vietnam in late 1950s, 1960s, early 1960s Vietnam, where there were the American involvement and the French were on their way out. And one of my favorite historians, he's an American actually, but became sympathetic to France and was working with French intelligence in Vietnam, and points out that there were flyers calling for the massacre of the French population in Indochina in Vietnam. in Vietnam. And he points out that the French was actually quite bad and was obviously written by somebody whose native language was English. And he points to Edward Lansdale, who is now

celebrated in the United States as a patriot, but who I believe there and in other locations spurred on massacres of whites, of Europeans, because America, I guess, saw an interest in kicking out the evil colonialists, let's say. Do you see anything dark and immediate like that, like the Chinese, forget government proxies, but the Chinese egging on this type of violence that you're combating, or am I being paranoid? So, no, I don't think you're being paranoid in that regard because let's remember as well that, I mean, this is Africa, essentially anything and everything is possible, But we're not seeing, you know, physical instances like that. A good example, like the Rwandan genocide where they started using the radio and they were,

you know, the code words were like, cut down the tall trees and kill the cockroaches and things like that. We're not getting any interference like that from China as it currently stands. But I mean, last I checked, if some Chinese guy stands up in the middle of an intersection with the a loud halo and he starts saying, you know, kill all the whites or whatever, I'm gonna run his ass over, it's that simple. Yes, yes, yes, no, yes. Well, look, I want to ask you some things about future of South Africa and such in a moment, but before I do, I thought of this. Often, yes, South Africa not quite civil war, but simmering low-grade violence, let's say. In civil wars throughout 20th century, There are parts, certain regions, certain specific locations where there is massive

violence and then in the neighboring valley there's no violence, nothing happens. This happened many places in Africa during civil war, it happened in Yugoslavia, there's a pattern where in some cases violence very extreme and then others, other areas are untouched And there is a logic sometimes to this pattern that people have studied. In your experience, have you noticed such patterns? What communities, what areas are most affected by extreme violence? I know it's not just, I'm not leading to anything. Everyone knows there is a racial basis possibly to violence. But I'm not asking that. There's usually a political history basis that's more specific. Have you encountered any, or other things, sociological?

I don't know. Have you encountered such patterns with so we can actually relate to a few of that or a few of those things So for example, we can take a look at The xenophobic riots that pop up every now and then they tend to be localized to certain areas and the South African Population decides we don't foreigners here anymore and they hit back burning shops and obviously looting foreign-owned shops and things like that. So we do see, if you want to call it low-grade civil war type behavior, where they want to get the foreigners out in that regard. But we're not seeing, like for example, the Congo, different tribes going up against each other and things like that. We're not seeing that level in South Africa yet, as things currently stand. But, I mean, who knows? Eventually

we could get to that point. I mean, if you look at the population They are getting more and more desperate as time goes by. And desperate behavior breeds a certain, it breeds a certain mindset of, well, anything goes. You know, a person gets more and more rough as time goes by and then they become sort of capable of anything. So, yeah. We're not seeing anything to get to get apart from, call it the xenophobic riots that spring up every now and then and they can get deadly. people die, things are burnt down, there's lots of looting that takes place. So yeah. But what about local, just local variations you're encountering, even in just, well, this neighborhood is especially violent versus that one who you maybe think would be violent but isn't.

Have you noticed, for example, as an outsider, I hear Cape Town is relatively safe compared to Durban or something like that, which I've heard Durban is just terribly violent. but in the areas that you patrol, do you notice variations and what do they track with, how like, do you see anything like that? Violent crime in South Africa tends to be the same no matter where you go. Now, the reason it's difficult for me to answer that question is I wish I could say that in this area it's okay and in that area not so much. That maybe was the case a few years ago, but as time goes by, it's becoming, it's coming to a point where essentially every neighborhood is affected by violent crime no matter where you stay even the most beautiful parts of cape town people are dying so violent

crime it's i can't tell you i wish i could turn around and say to you my neighborhood's perfectly fine but the neighborhood next to me is fucked good luck to them may the odds ever be in their favor because it's not the case. By me it's just as bad and it's the same all over the country. Yes, maybe one or two little neighborhoods here or there are cute and cuddly and the kids still playing the streets and things like that but I promise you even they will disappear eventually. So violent crime is affecting everyone and it's never going away. It doesn't matter It doesn't matter what they do, they will never have the powers that be able to never have the capacity to change that. Yes. Let me ask you then about possible future escape from this kind of avalanche of crime.

Do you think possible future South Africa, let me not be racist here and say not just the white population, but let's say the civilized population in general, the whites, the Asians, the colored population who don't want anymore to be part of this pattern of violence. I know there was a Cape Town independence movement. I don't know what you think about the prospects of that. Then there is Orania. Do you think there's any of these projects possibility for either formal separation or some type of enclaves like this autonomous enclaves? What do you think the future of, let's say, white and civilized independence in South Africa or such? So, I wouldn't go as far as saying that, you know, a white independent movement, but there is also,

I mean, for example, there is, because you ask about places that are going to do their own thing or currently doing their own thing. I mean, take a look at Oranya, for example. They was there recently and I must say they've got an awesome way of looking at things where they just decided, you know what, we don't want to be a part of the collapsing shithole around us. We're going to build our own thing under our own culture and we're going to live the way we want because it best suits them. So for other people to try and do their own do their own thing. For my view and opinion it would be near impossible because the blood and guts and drive that you have to have to do that, not everyone has it in them. I mean the Aranya project, it's been a long time ongoing, they've done a lot

over the years and that was just sheer determination. You don't see that in the entire population, in the majority of the population for that matter, you don't see that. I don't in the long term see anything happening. I mean you can even look at Cape Independence I know you discussed that with Mr. Dagan as well and I know that as far as I understand he feels that it should happen I honestly I unfortunately don't ever see it happening to a certain degree because to pull something like that off it's now more than ever, it's most likely very, very, very difficult, if not impossible, unfortunately. So no, I don't see any other groups doing their own thing. I mean, we do have tribal groups, ethnic tribal groups that have ethnic homelands, and they're sort of doing their

thing in their ethnic homelands. But we're not going to see any, I know a lot of people want to hear it, hey, white people, you know, make South Africa, Rhodesia again. But we're We're not going to see a bunch of white people pack up their stuff and move somewhere and do their own thing in South Africa, it's just, it's not going to happen, I mean they've done it with Oranya on a cultural basis and they've done really well at it, but for someone to do it now, I think the project would be shut down before it even got off the ground. By the government or by whom? The government and the population. So now the government, remember, South Africa is at a first time where we've got this new type of government structure and people are obviously like walking on eggshells now.

Now they don't want to make a mistake because it means they're out. So the government to try and look favorable in the eyes of everyone would immediately be like, no, we're not allowing this to happen and blah, blah, blah. And then there's the external threat of a hostile populace that wouldn't look fondly upon an ethnic group disappearing and doing their own thing and telling everyone else you know what good for you you're not joining us well by external what do you mean foreign powers or who well the people living there so i mean if you think if if sorry i got a bit distracted on my phone there um so if if let's say i for example were to take all my friends okay and they were all white and I were to go and do my own thing in the middle of South Africa on my own piece

of land and tell people that this is whites only, no one else is allowed to come here and stuff, it would be shut down almost immediately. Oh no, of course that would be shut down K9, but I don't even think that's a favorable thing to do because excuse if this impolite subject, but But South Africa is an exceptionally rich land in resources. If you had a sufficiently cohesive white population, or whites slash civilized other parts joining its population who could separate that way, they would not only be giving up the immense wealth of that land, but if they were that organized, they could just take over everything and rule it again as an overclass. And so I want to just flat out ask you, for the, not the immediate future, but for the future of South Africa,

historically in situations like this, where you have an incompetent government, it can't apparently even plan out massacres or whatever, it can't do anything, infrastructure breaking down, a local population that, although low-scale violent, let's face it, that organized violence, they have sucked for a long time and will continue to, in such a situation, a small organized minority could easily take over the whole thing and rule it by military means, and not just military, you know, military slash intelligence means. I mean, look at Syria, which has a far more capable population, but they've been ruled by an Alawite minority for many decades. And I just want to ask you, if you can comment, what would be standing in the way of a future, let's say, white or European military regime

taking over South Africa? Is it foreign powers? Is the United States, I assume, stands in the way of that most of all, yes? I don't know if you want to comment on this. I think, as I said, I think all questions are fair game. I mean, I really don't mind. So I think that what would stand in the way, and this is coming from experience. Once again, I lean on the fact that we've got the largest private security industry in the world. Millions of armed members who all operate under the same code and so forth. So any group that would call itself a PMC and try to take over a local area, would immediately get wiped off the face of the earth. And remember, South Africa's massive. This country is absolutely huge. So that group is gonna have to number in the tens of thousands if they want to do

any sort of large-scale takeover of an area. So in that regard, it would be, firstly, it just would be near impossible. Secondly, I think that the citizens of this country definitely get involved, as bad and collapsed as things are, they would get involved and send them packing. I mean, I want to see someone rock up and try and take some guy's shack in the middle of a township and claim it as theirs. The local township will necklace him. I mean, can you imagine Wagner moving into a South African township and trying to claim it as theirs? They would get absolutely destroyed. I'm not talking in the next years. I really am saying in let's say 10, 20 years, someone taking over the central government of South Africa by,

you know, by a coup, military coup type thing. That in these kinds of situations historically is what is what happens. I mean, yes, I think they, you know, you phrase it like that, I would say yes, there could be a possibility because people forget some of our longest standing generals and things like that almost all of them are politically appointed so who knows maybe that guy wakes up one morning and he's pissed enough to say well screw you I'm gonna do my thing now it is it is entirely plausible I mean you know we're not living in a time where look what's happening everywhere not just South Africa I think genuinely anything is possible I see yes I it's I I think United States stands in the ways of such adventures, K-9, as you know.

Mark Thatcher tried to organize coup in Equatorial Guinea, I think, and it would have succeeded, but they got caught in the airport in Harare, I think. But many such projects would perhaps be stopped by the power of the United States and France, which kicked out Bob Denard. He took over the Comoros several times. But I think either if their international power wanes or if they change their outlook, they may see that there are advantages in letting adventurous people take over parts of Africa. I'm not going to say South Africa or so on, but it's too big, but other parts. But look, let me ask you also, I have many listeners to this show who are active military, many are ex-military, many don't have military experience, but they have a lust for adventure and action.

They hear your stories, the story of others in South Africa. Some may want to help, some may want to participate in what you do, some just want to have action and adventure without any ideological component, and they want to get training or such. Are such things possible now or in the near future, do you think? Look, I don't see a problem with someone coming to South Africa and undergoing some form of training. I mean, I can probably legally offer courses where people learn about community safety and the correct method of doing it, because essentially what community safety boils down to on an operational level is small unit tactics and understanding your local environment and working within it. So the training in that regard would

basically revolve around not dying in an urban or rural environment basically is what it essentially boils down to. So on a legal level I'm pretty sure I could if people wanted to do something like that I most likely could we would just have to word it correctly so that we don't have a Libyan training camp fiasco. I mean imagine K9 gets caught training like that, people would have a bloody field day. But with that being said, it would have to be a really really long course. But yes, it's definitely feasible and I think if people are interested in stuff like that, I do plan on in the future expanding on something similar to this via a blog or possibly not really a podcast yet, but yeah, in the coming future, definitely.

Yes, I think it's because I would never advise people to go, for example, somewhere like Ukraine, which is an industrial war, and it's extremely risky and high casualty on both sides and get maimed, high risk of that, whereas in the kind of environment you are in is precisely, You know, it's not nothing, there's action, there's danger, but there's also, it seems relatively low risk from what you're saying, and probably exactly the kind of environment even a neophyte could get training in. What would you or your groups, assuming this is all legal on both sides and such, you know, no issues with that, but what kind of resources would be needed for you or your groups to accept volunteers of that type? We would need to have a piece of land and luckily the process is then rather simple

because you develop a shooting range as per your requirements, you follow the correct procedure to have everything registered and all that, you put a couple of buildings, empty shell buildings with no roofs on that property and ensure that the walls are correctly secured and reinforced and then you turn it into a CQB building for room clearance and stuff and you get a old beat up vehicle and you park it in the middle and that becomes your vehicle work so with regards to what would be required I mean it's just piece of land, an empty shell of a building, an old clapped out vehicle that's going to get shot to shit and a shooting range and it sounds like a lot but it's really not a lot because it's really small pieces of infrastructure, essentially.

Yes, assuming they would need some place to stay nearby or such, but yes, I understand what you're saying. Canine, I've been keeping you a while. Before we go, I want to ask you, South Africa, its example for the future for Europe or the United States. Do you think there are lessons in what you're going through now for Europe and the United States or for the Americas in general, let's face it, not just the United States, yeah. Yes, everywhere actually, all over the world, now more than ever. You know, South Africa really is the, people say the crystal ball of the west, but I think we're the crystal ball of frickin' every first world country essentially. Citizens at the end of the day, they have to get involved, they need to start doing something

in order to because the majority issues are going to stem from crime at the end of the day so they need to get involved and I think right now there's not the requirement for just yet but very soon we're going to start seeing the fact that what's happening in South Africa is increasingly happening in other parts of the world so more and more people whether they know it or not or like it or not they're going to have to do what I do every weekend every night whatever leave the comfort and safety of their home, go on a community safety patrol, no matter what the weather is like, and support their local law enforcement in achieving their missions and stuff. Yes, and of course governments have to somehow make that easy, whether by being

so incompetent as South Africa or at least relaxing their paranoia about community policing. thing. But K9, listen, I've been keeping you for a while. I don't often release my travel plans because various antiphoids and others I don't want them to know. But I might come to Cape Town soon. Maybe you'd like to meet. We have barbecue feast and such. What do you think? I would love to. You keep me up to date and if I can get you up to Johannesburg, if you would consider flying out to Johannesburg, even if it's for one or two nights, I will take you on a community safety patrol and I'll show you exactly what I've spoken about today. You'll get to see copper cable theft, the zamas zamas, the drug usage, the collapse

and the decline. You'll get to see all of it and you can actually experience it. I want to, but I will not try Genkim if this is involved. I don't want to go to Genkim crack house and try jenkins. Can we avoid that? Yeah, yeah, don't worry. You're not going to be required to sample the product. Yes, but no, that sounds fun. I want to visit Johannesburg. I want to drive out. Maybe you want to go see Hyena and Baboon and Lion and such. But K9, it's been an honor, a great pleasure to have you. I much enjoy this and Please come back to Caribbean rhythm number one sexy Calypso show anytime you want. It's very fun. I look forward for many updates, South Africa. I thank you for having me on the show. I do enjoy the show and this was absolutely awesome. I really appreciate it.

No, my pleasure is mine. Very good, K9. Until next time, let's talk soon. Until next time, Bap out.