Welcome to Caribbean rhythms, episode 171, and we are back with old friends Kirill and pig dog Russians with attitude on the orders of the new Caesar Putler. I am acting on orders of the Russian government to do this. Is this not a ... No, I joke, please. If I say this, they will get me under FARA or other fake law, you know. But yes, welcome back to the show Kirill and Pigdog. Yes, hello. Hello, yeah. Now I go by my name Nikolai. Pigdog sounds a bit insulting. I have no idea why I choose this nickname 10 years ago on the internet. It's just I used to call people by their original code names. And Nikolai was, I hope I'm not being indiscreet, but Nikolai was pig dog who was one of the original members of frog Twitter, which isn't a reference to the whole so-called frog sphere on internet,

but a small group chat that included me, Menna, pig dog, and a few others. I won't say their names because there are bad people trying to hunt my so-called associates. But I'm very proud that I've said this before, excuse to repeat that old Internet friends Kirill and Pigdog, including Frogtutor member, has become a gigantic news media account dealing with Russia matters in the West, you know? Yeah, thank you. Well, we really, as we said in the previous podcast that we did yesterday on the news show, we really try to keep it on the low and not stick out too much. So yeah, I would rather be a small podcast, a tiny modest podcast and a tiny blog than a gigantic platform. Yes, well, me too, but unfortunately we don't have much competition, so media attention comes

to be on us. And I would have preferred a lower level of exposure for myself as well, maybe whatever was two or three or even three, four years ago. But now it quite, yeah, attention quite annoying. Are you taking a lot of heat? No, not really. I don't really notice it. But yeah, as you said, we are like conquistadors in south america and we cannot help but grow unfortunately but yeah i miss the cozy 1000 subscribers vibes a lot and i hope to recreate it and just ignore the attention but yeah we are not suffering from excessive attention or maybe we grew thick skin so i don't really notice it so yeah well it's okay yes you have to have thick skin on internet but i mean i i will ask you later this in the episode but you must be taking heat are the naphil retards attacking you

are you get russia obsessive putler obsessives attacking you i mean yes of course but they have not achieved anything i think so so they have not doxed either of us they have had no success with their mass reporting stuff. And overall, the whole NAFL thing is against dying down right now. I think one of them, a very prominent of them killed himself a bit ago. Yes. Well, all these things are trunes and mental defectives. They become obsessive on internet. And it's just, yes, maybe newbies to internet don't realize that being attacked online isn't actually being attacked. It can be annoying, unpleasant, especially, you know, they use spam and such. But I've been viciously attacked by the so-called far right in the United States for the last two years, or at least since the Kwanee Fars.

And it's not made a dent in me. You know, my show continued to grow. My books sell very well. My account has more than doubled. So it's all fake astroturf kind of PR campaigns that they run against anyone on the right who is independent mind. But you can just ignore it or even safely mock it at times and so forth. It doesn't have a real effect, I think. The real effect comes if they manage to get, well, I don't know your situation in Russia or Europe, but in the United States, what happened to my friend Douglas McKee where they can get obsessive prosecutor on the make to come up with charges against you that are fake, you know? Yes. How's that going, by the way? Well, I think he will be okay. He is not going to be in jail pending appeal.

I think he has very strong appeal regardless of what happens in the election, but if Trump does win. I think he could maybe even hope for a pardon. And even aside from that, there's been a very good sign recently where a judge has basically said that the law under which he was prosecuted has been misused grievously, which is obvious already. But we will see how this goes. because the attacks of midgets and such do not matter to us. But as you can see, it matters to people like Pavel Durov, this founder, owner of Telegram. Everyone talking about this now. What is news about this? What you have to say on this? I know, yeah, there's a big buzz on this. Yes, so Durov, I think, he fell victim to the ideology that is very popular in these rich crypto tech guy circles,

that if you are like a millionaire and have a bunch of passports and live in Dubai or whatever, then you are untouchable and nothing can ever happen to you and you're immune from politics, immune from what nation states do, but as it turns out, you are not immune at all, and all the crypto in the world can't really help you if the government decides to crack down on you. Yes, someone on his scale, you know, we are just tiny podcasters, you know, and I mean, I just wait until I make my porn studio, then I become, I hit the big times. But Pavel obviously was a target. It's amazing that he would choose to go. I always think these billionaires must have some counterintelligence protective service that warns them, hey, you are wanted in this country. Don't go there.

But even common sense should have told him, maybe don't go into the EU when they have put a derangement and you are on their sights. Not only does he go, but he goes with this rent-a-girlfriend, I guess, who apparently was geo-locating their entire trip the whole time. Hmm. Do you mean his girlfriend, Yulia? Yes. Yeah. The Insta-bimbo. Yeah. Well, I called her a rent-a-girlfriend because that's what she looks like. I hope I'm not being disrespectful. Yes, she does. No, she does very much look like that. every Russian woman in Dubai is exactly like her. It's not even about geolocation or whatever. He was a French citizen since 2021, at least. So it was his decision, and it was before the war, his decision to obtain citizenship. But the French were very wicked in that they

they issued the arrest warrant one minute before his plane landed, so he had no idea that they're out to get him. Yeah. Well, by the way, I think that there are libertarianish methods to protect yourself, but he infringed one of the cardinal ones. Well, besides being, you know, known to be targeted and going into a sensitive country, citizen or not, but it's citizen issue, exactly. I hope you don't mind if I go on slight tangent. But Doug Casey, who is longtime libertarian looking for exit, he always said you should have citizenship in one country, your money in a second country, and reside in a third country, and do not mix them. Because when you are a foreign resident, you are pampered. You're treated like a luxurious guest.

And whereas countries have a habit of treating their own citizens very poorly now, so, you know, he shouldn't have gotten French citizenship, he should have gotten, I don't know, Chinese or Indian citizenship or something, and then gone to Paris to enjoy himself. Yeah, well, I guess he did it for the ease of travel, so he doesn't have to issue the Schengen visa, so he should have gotten some European citizenship, but, yeah, as you said, the country that he never intends to visit. Yeah, like... Yes, but Iceland has proven itself to withstand, I don't like this word anymore, globalist, But Iceland has stood up to whatever the international consensus is a number of times. That would seem to be a safer choice and it would allow you free passage throughout all of Europe. Yeah, true.

Yeah, I mean, I guess it depends a bit on how difficult it is to get citizenship as well. So, I mean, he just bought, I mean, it's, he has, Durov has like four citizenships, I think. Yes. citizenship he acquired united arab emirates citizenship he bought some caribbean citizenship i think saint kids or something yes yeah that's one of the most common ones here yeah because it's i guess very easy you just have to invest a sum of money and then you get the best part and then he i actually don't know how he got french citizenship i don't know if there was also like money programs where you can just invest your way into the best part but in I would guess he just tried to, as Nikolai said, get a collection of passports for maximum ease of travel

and yeah, I mean, it's not like, he was not treated very well by the Russian government so he had all reason to leave Russia, I guess Yes, Saint Kitts in Nevis and then Dominica are popular passport buys in the Caribbean, but they have some limited use. I want to ask you more about the, well, to make a comment about the Pavel Durov case in a second, but let me go on tangent again regarding Putler derangement syndrome. I think, obviously, Durov, whatever other reasons he may have been, people have conspiracy theories about why he was arrested now. But whatever other reasons there is, the popular sentiment that allows such things to happen is Putler derangement syndrome that extends to normal Russians who, as in the case of Durov,

not even as far as I know pro-Putin, not allowing a Russian pianist to perform in London, canceling performances of Tchaikovsky. And now you have this very spastic—people say he's gay. I think it's something much worse than a repressed gay. Tim Walz, vice presidential candidate in the United States, a man with extremely just bizarre body language, and has dishonest tweets and dishonest speeches saying that it is right-wingers in America who are politicizing culture, politicizing the Thanksgiving dinner and so forth. Many people have pointed out how disingenuous this is because it's become a trope in United States. is the left people in the family who bring up political matters in family meetings. And speaking of Thanksgiving, consider it a residue of colonial oppression and so on.

But the biggest signature case of political polarization and derangement I've seen for many, many years, going back to 2016, of course, is Trump. But associated with Trump is Russia. Again, I'm sorry if I repeat myself. I don't know if I said this on a previous meeting with you, but I remember being in a bar in the United States telling a girl that I was studying at the University of Moscow, and that's all it took for her to literally tell me I am triggered. She used that word and she was extremely moved by the fact that I had anything to do with Russia. I guess this came to mind when I was asking you earlier, if you are taking heat, the insanity over Russia, Russia things is incredible to me, even for, you know,

Dostoyevsky or anything. Oh, I visited St. Petersburg or something, you know? Yeah, of course, the Putler derangement system, the syndrome is real, but I don't think that it was the only thing, the only reason why Durov was arrested by the French authorities. It's part of it, of course, but the biggest problem that they had with Durov is the fact that he was independent and the only, and he was running the only independent social media app, the biggest one. 700 million people are using this app and it's not in cooperation with the CIA or MA-5 to our knowledge, right? And Durov made a point in refusing to cooperate with these agencies and also the FSB. So that's why they were out to get him. And yeah, Russia

authorities were also in the room that they scared him away and that's why he ended up in Dubai. And actually you mentioned his girlfriend and there were a lot of rumors like why was he going to France. Some said well it was for the plane to refuel, others said it was for a business meeting but actually it's probably because his girlfriend said that she wanted to see the Eiffel Tower and that's the only reason because she's never been to Paris and he is a billionaire. Yes, he got instagrammed, he got instagrammed f**k for... So women are to blame for Dura Forest basically. I'm actually surprised that for such a weird guy, like rich tech guy who is into all sorts of weird political and personal beliefs and biohacking and whatever, he has such a basic

bitch taste in women. Like every woman you ever see by his side is a bog standard Instagram bimbo who looks exactly the same? No, I have to confess, I like that. I would do the same if I was… Yeah, it's not that bad. And actually, this girl is not a random bimbo. She's a crypt investor and a gamer. She's a gamer? Oh, she's a gamer. She's a gamer. She's a streamer. She's a genius. I just wanted to tell audience, just for basic opposite things. I understand and believe that he doesn't cooperate, but I don't believe there's such a thing as secure communication, so people should be careful. Both Telegram and Signal, I'm sure governments have ways to at least know who you're talking to and things of that sort.

Oh, yeah. Signal is pretty compromised, as far as I remember, anyway. And, well, yes, yes you're right there is it's very difficult to establish truly secure communications actually but it's always a question of you know effort uh... how much the the uh... authorities how much effort they want to put into i don't know they can the police for example if it's just normal police in any country they can uh... crack your iphone for example but they will not do it for routine things it's because it costs time and money and they would only do that for something they think is important and not like normal stuff so it's always a question of effort and uh yeah yes i i want to say something about durov arrest that maybe look i am i have no doubt that he was arrested for

the reasons you and other lovers of freedom say on the other hand when you look at the list of charges that france revealed. They sound like quite serious charges, money laundering, the spreading or the facilitation of child pornography, which I understand that they're going to say next that they found child porn on Hitler's computer and such, but something having to do with the trafficking of weapons or drugs or facilitating that. Is it possible that some of these charges are real and genuine and And the reason I ask is you take in the United States, you will have noticed many influencers, some of whom are not very well known at all, complain about being removed by payment system like Stripe or by their banks and so on. And I have no doubt that such things have happened

in the past and do happen for censorship purposes, for content and so on. But I can tell you 100% I know, do not ask me how, that in many of these cases these people are being very disingenuous because their banks, for example, are removing them because they receive shady foreign payments and things like that. Or Coinbase does not, As far as I know, censor for content. So when people say I was removed by Coinbase, I'm a big dissident, support me and so on. What they're failing to say is that they were using Coinbase, for example, the way Cody, I forget his name, but he was essentially using it as a bank to traffic weapons internationally that's illegal. Others use it for other purposes like that to get around money wire, bank regulations that have nothing to do with their content.

And in the case of Stripe, again, I hope I'm not being discreet and I cannot say how I know, but I know that many of these people who complain about being removed by Stripe, they were not removed for content. I can tell you that. They were removed because a lot of these influencers have other small side businesses, which are quite embarrassing and illegal in some cases, and they get removed for that, and often it's not even the main account that gets removed. It's this other account, and then they go online and they whine and I'm persecuted. I have said things that nobody else does. It's complete fake. I'm not saying that Pavel Durov has not been a force for allowing people encrypted communications

and so on, and that this is actually the real reason, but could it be that the charges France presented are real, that he is involved in these other bad things too? I don't know. The charges say that he is complicit, like there is like 12 charges and 3 of those are things that he's being accused of doing, like mostly like encryption related, right? And The other charges, they are all claiming he is complicit and they are basically saying that every time someone commits a crime and communicates on Telegram to do so, that Durov is complicit in that. Like that's basically how the charges work. I see. that if you have like drug dealers using telegram to facilitate sales if you have pedophiles sharing their materials over telegram then it's basically Durov is presented as being

complicit in that as a criminal which is an insane concept I believe yes no that would be a contrived charge I'm just wondering because you know it wouldn't be outside the whatever imagining of a nationless international billionaire to actually be involved in things like this, you know. No, I'm sure he's involved in crypto money laundering, tax evasion stuff of varying shades of grey, I'm absolutely sure of that, but I don't think that he's personally, yeah, There's nothing wrong with tax evasion, but I'm fairly certain that he's not personally involved in gun running or human trafficking. Yes. No, this is interesting. What has the response been in Russia to all of this? The response is a little bit schizophrenic, I would say, because everyone in Russia uses Telegram.

most people go to Messenger, they use it for work, they use it to talk to their family, they use it to read news and everything else. So people just don't want it to go away or be restricted in some ways because that would be super annoying. And there is a vague understanding of Durov being our guy, but at the same time a lot of people mock him for his decision to like leave Russia and basically saying yes I don't want to live in evil Russia because I'm being persecuted that's why I go to free democratic France and then he gets arrested there yes yes very well what do you have to say of the long relationship between France and Russia I know I'm quite changing the subject, but of course, Russian aristocracy before revolution, like all East Europeans' aristocracy,

ape fans want to spend their time in Paris, speak French as well as they speak Russian, you know, champagne and caviar and this whole thing. And then the French in the other direction seem also to have a love-hate relationship. on one hand fascination with aspects of Russian culture and ballet, on the other extreme hostilities such as you see casually in Gobineau and many other writers. What do you have to say on this? Russia has been for a very long time a sort of symbol in French politics and they very often like since the, since Montesquieu basically they used Russia as a metaphor to talk about France basically like and there is a very long tradition of this both on the French left and on the French

right like in the 19th century you had the French right always presenting Russia as a shining example of what a state should be like and you had basically Russia gate rhetoric with French lip tarts in the 19th century always accusing the French far right of being Russian agents and agents of the Tsar and things like that so it has been quite important symbol for a long time which they mostly has not necessarily any bearing to reality but they just use Russia to talk about themselves a lot. Yes. That's interesting. In the United States, especially among conservatives, Tocqueville has a special place. His book, Democracy in America, is very much part of, I would say, American normie establishment, conservative intellectual thought for some decades. Of course, they edit it heavily.

They will not talk, for example, about what Tocqueville thinks about Mexico because, you know, he essentially says Mexicans, and French Canadians for that matter, are unable to live under Anglo-American democracy and to make use of the resources of the New World and so on. But look, regardless, Tocqueville has special place in American discourse, especially on the right, broadly speaking. I know there's is a parallel book around the same time about Russia. I think it's Marquis de Cousteine, if I'm not... Oh, yeah. Yes. And I'm wondering if this has a similar place in Russian discourse, where a Frenchman went to Russia and gave a discourse on, you know, wrote a discourse on Russian culture and politics in the 19th century.

I haven't seen them brought up in ages, to be honest, but it used to be a staple in Soviet historiography about how backwards and evil the Russian Empire was. And then it's a classic among the more intellectual libtards in Russia. But honestly, I haven't seen anyone speak about the book in a long time. I think we have switched places with Marquis de Christine and I am hearing from a lot of Russians who go to Paris how backwards and dirty and poor Paris is. So Russians are Marquis de Christine and Paris and France is 19th century Russia in a way. I'm not saying that he was right, though. It is a ridiculous book, but there are some insights, definitely. But it was, he was misinformed, he was a homosexual with a Polish

lover. So, yeah, he was not very interested in depicting real Russia. And he was not that, well, he just arrived and he started writing that he understands how things work. So it's a bit ridiculous, right? It's like me going to, I don't know, China. And on my first day in China, i will write some grand book about chinese are evil and stupid and uh yeah well you know who did this yeah sorry go on it's a bit wild well yeah no yeah this retard uh that um frogs are actually uh quite competently making fun of bernard andre levi tried to be a um a kind of tokville of the early 2000s and he traveled to united states places like arizona and things like that and he wrote, I haven't read it, but actually American conservatives did some things well in

making fun of his pretensions in trying, but he did what you're saying. He barely knew the country and he came, said, oh, I'm going to be like Tocqueville and do a big book about the American spirit in the 21st century. Yeah, they were doing such excursions in the thousands to Russia as well. There was one, this trendy writer about drugs, horse and stuff like that, I forget his name, he's now a big pro-Ukrainian guy, a French writer who is like 55. Big badder, something bad better, something like that. So this guy and well yeah so in 2000s the French started going to Russia as a Disneyland which is very affordable and the women are much more attractive and they started living out those fantasies but as of right now there's no basically we don't think about the French at all

and I'm not sure what is happening in France and yeah the relations we don't have any relations to with France on any level especially if we were compared to the 19th century there's no comparison well in the in East Europe as last I knew at least among the boomer let's say artsy set or yes libtard but more generally, the people who have pretensions to culture, they still pretend to be French. It's a bit off-putting and can easily cause a reaction. I think that's also unjustified, because I have to push back a little bit. I was in Paris earlier this year, and I was expecting bad things based on what dissidents and so forth and conservatives say online. And I found Paris to be as charming as I remember it. There was a little bit too much diversity in some parts, but

it was much better than, you know, than is claimed and it is quite charming. Yeah, I guess it's because they were preparing for the Olympics for this time, so they were trying to clean up the city. I have no idea. I have never been to Paris. I'm just, yeah, telling what I've heard from some Russian tourists and their general sentiment. But yeah, I don't really care about the French at all. Although, yeah, I think they're funny in some of the modern French intellectuals, in their pretensions, in their pompousness. And yeah, just like you said with Andrei Levi guy and actually there was a very dumb debate between him and Dugin which left nowhere because they were just he wasn't listening to Dugin at all he was just parroting

Russia is not Europe Russia is backwards or something like that yeah and actually the daughter of Dugin, Dasha Dugina, she was one of the, yeah, she was pretty French, she spoke perfect French and she was living in Paris for some years, she was in contact with Marie Le Pen and the whole Le Pen family, so yeah, there were some living connections, but yeah, in her case She was killed by a Ukrainian woman, Ukrainian terrorist. That's very sad. Well, we'll talk a little bit because audience wants to know by Ukraine, so on next segments of show I want to ask you, but before we go to break, since we are on this matter of French-Russia relations and the 19th century, what do you make of Nietzsche's claim? This, he must have been writing this, I think, in 1880s,

saying that Germany's number one priority was to prevent an alliance between Russia and France. And the tactic he recommends, he says, as long as the church in France is powerful, there will never be such an alliance, because the Catholic Church in France He's extremely opposed to any alliance with the Orthodox Church. And so he recommends for the Germans to pursue a very anti-Catholic posture, because that would strengthen the Catholic Church in France. When you have a strong enemy opposing you, it raises your, you understand the tactic. It's quite Machiavellian. That didn't work. He happened to hate Kaiser Wilhelm II, and I believe there's some evidence that his internment in a mental hospital and such was in part imprisonment for criticizing

Kaiser Wilhelm II. I know that sounds crazy, but Loki found some good evidence that this is the case. It's not that Nietzsche didn't have a—he, of course, had a congenital problem, but he may have had a recovery and he was essentially lobotomized and kept imprisoned. But before Kaiser Wilhelm II came, he had this idea. What do you make of this, of what he say? And do you think that Germany could have pursued this if it had a less retarded ruler than Kaiser Wilhelm II? It is definitely one aspect that has been weighing heavily on Russian-French relations. Basically for a very long time also because of the affinity between France and Poland. The French always supported the Polish in their striving for independence and shared Catholic heritage was one of the aspects of that.

also you had during the 19th century, late 18th, early 19th century, you had a bunch of these French reactionaries in Russian exile, Demestre and so on, and they liked Russia but they always were trying to crystallize it. Demestre had this circle in St. Petersburg of young nobles, and he caused a couple of them to convert to Catholicism, actually, and which, despite having good relations, was like Count Uvarov and so on, that led to some tensions. And it led to Alexander I eventually expelling the Jesuits from Russia, Russia? Yes. Because they were increasing their influence in young Russian noble circles. And so, yes, that was definitely a point of contention that between Russia and France. Regarding Wilhelm II, it is a bit complicated because it is connected to mostly the foreign

policy was mostly dictated by specific circles. you had Bismarck, who had what nowadays we would call a realist line, and he was supportive of an alliance between Russia and Germany, but there were a lot of court intrigues and so on, And eventually Wilhelm II replaced Bismarck with von Caprivi, who was an anglophile, a very deep anglophile. And this basically marked the anglophile circles coming to power, which pushed Germany away from Russia at the same time as basically lulling Germany in this false sense of security with regards to Britain and because it has always been a pipe dream both for Wilhelm and for Hitler to eventually have an Anglo-German alliance which never works out because England

has never been interested in that. And as such you have this whole court intrigue at the German court, the German imperial court, which led to at the same time estrangement from Russia Russia, eventually destroying all the inroads that had been made. And I think the Brits were quite happy with having achieved that, that having Germany and Russia butting heads on the continent. Yes. Whatever the means by which it happened, a huge diplomatic failure on Germany's part to allow this alliance between France and Russia to take place, being surrounded by enemies and probably in World War II similar diplomatic failure when, well as Lutvak says the average German soldier was probably worth orders of magnitude of Western or Russian soldiers in terms of battlefield effectiveness but it's

all meaningless when your allies are Italy and Bulgaria and you're fighting the Soviet Union and the United States you know. Yeah there was actually one guy in Russia who kind of saw through this and was also interested in a Russian-German alliance because he thought it was very dangerous for Russia to be entangled with Britain. General Van Dam, that was a pseudonym under which he published books, I don't remember his actual name right now, Now he was like a teacher for, it was called strategic geography back then, what we'd call geopolitics now, at the Russian imperial general staff, the military academy, and so on. And he wrote a bunch of books about how it's important for Russia and Britain to be, for Russia to be friends with Germany and have an anti-British alliance.

And during the civil war in Russia, he was general in the White Army, and he fought on the Northern Front, so the Baltics and so on, and well, of course, Russian White forces also had a good relationship with the German Freikorps and so on. And he wrote about how the British basically supported the rats in the Russian civil war, especially on the northern front. Like no one ever talks about this, but the British intervention in Murmansk, for example, they were invited there by Trotsky to fight the white Finns, to fight the white Finns. And yeah, so much like that. So there is a lot going on in behind the scenes that we don't really, still don't really know about. And all we know is that a lot of very powerful circles were interested in preventing a Russian-German alliance and they won.

Yes. Well, this is all very interesting. One wonders what history could have been if such an alliance took place. It couldn't have been worse than what happened for Europe and Russia in the 20th century, think yes yes most definitely and i mean they are still they are still doing that like the whole it's a big part of like the geopolitical background of the war in ukraine is to to prevent closer ties between germany and russia for economic reasons yes i i think this is true and i want to ask you more about this i know the matter of ukraine is a bit you are maybe tired of talking, but it's on everyone's mind. So let us take a quick break and we come back, talk about this. What do you think? Yes, sure. Okay, very good. We will be right back. Yes, we are back

to Caribbean rhythms. Just we are in our studio here in Ivanovka, Tambov region, Russia. Brennan is on site. He has made us blini with apricot jam. Welcome back to show Kirill and Nikolai. We were going to talk this matter of Ukraine. I know, again, you are tired of it, but what update on news? Last I checked, there was this matter of Ukrainian incursion into Kursk region in Russia, and I have not paid any attention to it. I tuned it out because instinctively, I knew you had, I think, a post about this, that the fog of war and a lot of nonsense gets said by both sides. It's impossible to sort out. That was a couple of weeks ago or a week ago. Is that still the case? Is there something certain that can be known about this?

Kursk has not changed really much. Well, the Ukrainians are not really doing much anymore. They're just driving around. It's hot combat going on, but it's not really... It's this weird sandbox, this weird little war sandbox where you have small groups hunting each other and it's not the industrial meat grinder that it is on the main front. And It is a kind of more of a curiosity than it is of any strategic relevance really to the big picture, I would say. Why did Ukrainians do it then, as a kind of PR, or are they mentally ill, or what is reason for this? I think there are two main reasons, was one, to capture prisoners, because they obviously they don't have a lot of russian prisoners of war to exchange for their own guys and uh... so they use the surprise attack to capture a bunch of

conscripts so not professional soldiers but like young men doing their mandatory military service in the border region and they managed to surprise and overwhelm them and take Hundred or so captive and they've also been carrying away civilians Which they will probably also try to exchange kind of you know, like that Hamas hostage thing, I guess. Yes It sounds like a chimp out for hostages, you know yes, and also I say but I don't think that's the main reason the main reason was probably because their Frontlines in the dawn bus are crumbling with kind of an astonishing speed really a speed that we have not seen on the map for the last two years and as such I think they wanted Russia to pull away reserves from the front lines to plug

the hole in Kurzkobbe is to slow down the advances in the Donbass which has not worked out at all. Well yes this is what I wanted to ask aside from the course thing how is the war going prior to that it seemed Russia was making a lot of fast advancements and there was a doom and gloom in European and American press about Russia's imminent victory and negotiations possible. What going on with that? Well, victory is not imminent. It's still a long ways off but the dynamic has definitely shifted in favor of Russian initiative and the Ukrainians are really in full-blown operational crisis on the Donbas front right now with like just today Russia took the town of Novgorodovka which had like a pre-war

population of like 15 to 20 000 which is compared to the the small villages that where you have weeks of fighting usually this is a mid-sized town and it fell in like four days and so the yeah the the ukrainians are really in operational crisis right now on that front and it's probably gonna get worse what what has changed if you know why is russia suddenly making fast advancements is it manpower problem on ukraine side or other thing what uh what leads to this recent uh recent change it's it's a combination of factors it's of course manpower problems on on the Ukrainian side, but also like simple depletion of like military vehicles and weapons systems and so on. And they really used a lot of reserves for the Kursk incursion. They

have lost hundreds of vehicles at this point and it was really not the best use of the resources. It was a gamble. It was a gamble. It could have been, it could have worked, it didn't and so yeah also it's just like you know there is this graph I've seen about casualties and how the the casualty ratio over time becomes ever more ever bigger the gap becomes ever bigger and the side that loses more will have exponentially bigger manpower problems over time and this is basically what's happening they don't have enough men for the front lines so many friends asking what is endgame here for russia how would it look i don't mean just uh tactically because you know who knows that but what what is endgame of this war uh what is time horizon you think and how would it end

in various ways for russia or or whatever what's endgame here oh it's hard to know the endgame because the endgame will depend on a lot of negotiations in which Ukraine will not participate. That will happen between Russia and America, of course. But at times it's very hard to predict and I try not to make precise predictions when I'm not sure myself. But I personally, I know Nikolai has a different opinion on that, actually. But I think the war is not going to slow down anytime soon, at least for another year. And I think it's possible that in a year or so the Ukrainian military will collapse enough for Russia to basically do whatever they want militarily. From that point on we will have to wait and see. But do whatever they want.

What would you think, you know, I mean, is it full annexation? Is it annexation minus Galicia? Will Russia have border again with Romania, a thing like this? Is Odessa on table? What do you think that, yeah? Well, I think Odessa definitely should be. It would make no sense otherwise if Odessa is not, if by the end of the war Adiassa is not under Russian control, then it will all have made very little sense, basically, because just for very simple geographic reasons. And other than that, I don't think full annexation, there are a lot of regions where it would be very difficult to establish Russian rule, even outside of Galicia, and I don't, I don't think more likely set up some sort of puppet government for the most part like I think that

there are some other regions that will be in X but not all of it and not most of it. So full incorporation of Novorossiya including Odessa and then puppet government in the rest Is that what ideal scenario look like for Russia? Do you think that's likely? Well, I think that is a likely scenario or likely the goal as of now as of now Because you know the goals have shifted basically with every escalation of the war if The leaked peace agreements from early in the war are anything to go by the terms were extremely generous at first And they only get harsher over time which makes sense of course that the more the conflict drags on the the more maximalist Russian goals become yes and yes it's really hard to predict how far

the u.s. are willing to go yes yes well what do you make of you know Nick Salo I don't really agree with him he goes around saying that this conflict is is a loss for Europe, a big loss for Ukraine, a mild win or neutral for Russia or maybe even slight loss, and a big win for United States. I don't think whichever way turns out that that's accurate. What do you think about that? I think that's an emotional claim. He always thinks that, that, you know, I'm not saying he's like Hanania, but there is this kind of online or other kind of commenter, not just online, in newspapers and so on, who, for purposes of getting on people's nerves or whatever, say, oh, United States is turbo America, always winning. I don't buy that, but what do you think?

No, I don't buy it either. I mean, you can just see with what's happening with Yemen, which is on a global, from a global point of view, much more important to America than Ukraine, because the like the Suez Canal is much more important than the city of Halkiv to the American empire. And the fact that even the carrier strike group can't protect the Red Sea I feel like if the Americans want, if the Americans could, they would have done much more already. I think America is overstretched. I think they would have done much more for Israel as well, if they were able to. with like help them destroy Hamas and Intervent in Lebanon and so on and be more confrontational with Iran and things like that And but as of now, they can't even defeat like the cat chewing hoodies in Yemen Yes

Well, I wanted to comment a bit on on the problem in Yemen and the kind of warfare that's being waged in that area and also also possibly increasing in Ukraine, but I want to wait a moment before I comment on this. I think Turbo America people who say that the United States has forced Europe to take a loss in order to have it be dependent on United States liquid gas or theories of this kind are, I think, very limited use because I know a situation in Europe. I'm using Nick Sallow here just as an example, but there are many, again, who think that turbo America, America has pushed Europe into something it doesn't want. It's destroyed the German economy for its own goals. Isn't America so powerful? I don't see it this way at all. Such people

refuse to accept that European sentiment is very anti-Russian. It's, in my opinion, European people who have dragged America even into this conflict more than it would want to be. Maloney ran a very hawkish campaign. She was opposed, I mean, hawkish on Ukraine. She was opposed by people making exactly these arguments that siding against Russia will destroy our economy. And the Italian people nevertheless chose to vote for her, to support the very hawkish line on Ukraine. And I remember people who were center right and such on Twitter, admittedly, many crazy people, but they were center-right people who were from Scandinavia and saying extreme things when this conflict started. I lost friendships over that. People saying, we don't care if we have to end up eating gruel and dry bread.

We are going to stand with Ukraine. They're European. They're people who look like us. We will not let the Russian orcs. And yes, this is kind of far-right type language, but I think Hanania type people who talk about turbo-America, America supposedly dragging Europe into this, overlook the extent to which this kind of language has entered even the European left mainstream. You must be aware of it. Again, my basic point is that just as enduring the Cold War, it was East Germany and Bulgaria kind dragging the Soviet Union into fighting more aggressively in Africa and so on. In this case, as in Libya, it is Europe that is dragging the United States more. I don't know what you think about this.

I think it really depends. I don't think that you can just say Europe here and as if it's a unified thing and public opinion varies quite wildly in many European countries and of course the most hawkish ones are the Eastern European ones like Italy. I think Italy is a special case because Meloni, it's not like Meloni campaigned on the Ukraine issue, she campaigned on immigration. Yes. And it was kind of like this sort of deal right there that Washington or Brussels or whatever will allow Maloney to do like based right-wing domestic politics in exchange for towing the line on NATO foreign policy which has turned out to be a lie of course as it always does and but yeah I think that was the calculus I don't think that a lot of people in Italy voted

specifically for Ukraine they voted because of immigration which is the most important issue for most western european countries and like the economy and immigration and i don't think that ukraine is in the even top five of most important political things for people who are not from like poland or chakia or the baltics or sweden yes well the scandies you know they have historical reasons no i think what you say is right and it actually brings to mind melone's betrayal people are calling it on immigration, I think also shows the weakness of the United States in Europe, because Maloney's people who are in Italy on our side, who are friends who have told me this, again, information could be wrong, but Maloney's calculation was that the social democratic

establishment in Italy, which was pro-migration, was also either mildly pro-Russia, or at least not very hawkish on Ukraine, even as the social democrats in Germany are slightly obstructive while being publicly supportive of Ukraine. And her calculation was, I have no base of support among the social democrat establishment. I'm going to seek support from the only place I can get it, from the Americans, and so I will side with them and with NATO establishment on this. I don't know if she's a malicious traitor. I think she just miscalculated and didn't realize that the United States, which I think as such has no interest in allowing mass migration into Italy, but it simply couldn't support her. It doesn't have the political influence to counter

the Brussels bureaucrats that she imagines they do. Yes, I think it's a calculation that a lot of people are making in Europe right now and I think it is led by a wing from America. Of course, the American establishment is also not unified. There are different factions and you see a lot of this pop up right now in Europe. You had this, what was it called, the National Conservatism Conference Yes, and things like that, where they are trying kind of, what's his name, Hazone, I think. Hazone, yes. And they are making big inroads into Europe right now. Oh, really? Yes, they are setting up NGOs all over Central Europe and in Austria and the Balkans and so on. They are looking for allies. Where are they getting funding, do you know?

I would guess some some comes from the u.s. Lie like GOP adjacent Because you have like a lot of money behind there's a lot of money interest like Peter seal is involved in this as well I think Actually Trump's VP Vance is also involved in the national conservative thing. I think it's like a Contingency I guess because like during the first Trump presidency U.S.-Europe relations were very strained, and U.S. influence in Europe kind of went down. And I think this, currently this attempt is going on to, because people can, of course the Americans can see as well that depopulations in Western Europe and Central Europe are voting ever more right-wing. Yes. And it is quite likely that in the coming decade or so we will see

right-wing governments in many European countries and I think the Americans are now trying to set up to set up relationships with these right-wing powers that will likely come to power in many European countries in the near future and that's why they're making overtures to like Orban and and they had, they had what they, they had Eric Simur at this conference in Brussels and things like that. They seem to have good relationship with Orban, which I suppose is a good thing. I am not a fan of Hazoni and of the general ideology promoted by these people. I find it to be shallow and stupid, but I guess if, by whatever means, they can make some support for people like Orban or I don't see what's wrong with that, I don't know. I think that it's much easier for

the U.S. to dissociate itself from this whole situation, from the Ukraine and when Ukraine becomes a toxic asset, U.S. will easily drop it and forget all about it as if it never happened because for the majority of the Americans it's far away, it doesn't matter. It's a difference situation in like Poland or in some Central European states, as Kirilu says. It's a funny concept, Central Europe, that Poland really likes. We are not Eastern Europe, we are Central Europe. So yeah, the Central Europe is stuck forever with the Ukraine in any and whatever shape it is in. So that's why I have a little bit different scenario in my head when it comes to the SMO in its future because I think it is considering that the Ukraine is dependent on the American

funding and America contributes the majority of it and the majority of the weapon systems and whatnot. It really is dependent on the US elections which is not a noble idea of course but it's true. So we are going to see as the presidential campaign escalates in the U.S. and is gaining speed, we will see some sort of a culmination in the Ukrainian war, some type of a general battle in the Donbas, for example, and around, you know, inauguration of the next president of the U.S. I think it's in February, right, of 25. January 20. Oh yeah, oh yeah, January of 25. We will see some sort of change, if either it happens or it doesn't, but you also asked me in the chat why I attacked Trump on our Twitter, and let me, yeah, try to

explain my position here. I'm not anti-Trump or pro-Trump, I'm Russian citizen. I have no way to vote for any of them. But when I was writing about Trump and that Kamala Harris is better for Russia, I meant that the general problem with Trump is that he was set up back in 2016 and with the Russia getting and his name is forever married to Russia, which would be cool in theory, right? For Russia is a pathetic guy in the US, but in the it doesn't work like that. Yes, it's exactly why he has to show. Yeah, yeah, why during his presidential reign, there was no rapprochement between our countries. this is exactly why he had to compensate by inviting all the russia hawks in his team that's why he started shipping weapons to well under his administration u.s started shipping weapons to the

ukraine back in 2018 long before the war so it's a negative association and i would like for us to dissociate from this conflict to stop funding the frankenstein of the ukraine and that's exactly yeah, why I think I think I hope that of course, Campbell is probably bad for and you, your listeners do not support her. But what's better, I think is that she has no connection to the Ukraine or Russia at all. And, and yeah, it's going to be it's, it's an Obama 2.0, kind of, she's a woman, she's black, she's Indian. And I'm okay with that. If the US stops interfering in the Ukraine, it's a trade that I'm willing to make. On one hand, sorry to interrupt, I think you're right that people forget Trump hands are tied on this.

And I don't think though that they could do another Russia type hoax on him. And Vance has been very strong on stopping further aid and such to Ukraine. I don't think that they could go back on that, but who knows? On the other hand, I'm just making the case opposite to what you said. I think someone like Kamala, who would be in charge of United States government as little as Biden is, she may be as mentally debilitated as Biden is in his senility. I am concerned by this because weak governments, as her government would be without actual popular support, run by mystery meats with no connection to the history of Europe, I afraid — call me a right-wing paranoid — I was afraid, going back to Obama administration,

that Obama, because of his background and his old hatred of England and of Europe and so forth, that he would start a suicidal war with Russia. And people have been circulating some tweets — or I don't even remember if it was tweets or I said it in my book. In any case, I said it a long time ago, Kamala Bulldike paratrooper battalion getting wiped out outside of Kiev in 2022. Maybe I said it on this show years ago. And then people are saying that it happened when the Reddit Legion was geolocated by their own mistake. But I am afraid of this insanity in the United States government. They are liable to do anything. And you look during Trump administration, yes, Yes, he did fund, as you say, Ukraine, but there were no new wars and there are multiple new ones under Biden, you know.

Yeah. Well, I see what you're saying. And the fact that, yeah, Kamala, just like Biden, means that the deep state will have the upper hand, basically. And it doesn't really matter. Her presidency and her rule will not have any effect. It's really a question of whether U.S., its deep state or whatever, started considering Ukraine as the toxic asset. As of now, it's not. It's great for them to promote their weapons for Lockheed Martins to get their contracts. And that's why, partly, I guess, Nick Salo is right in that, like, Lockheed Martin is doing great because of this war, right? Yeah. I'm not sure is that Americans are doing great because of this war. So this tour of America is only benefiting the huge evil corporations, which is a bit cliche, it's always the way it is,

but yeah. I think, yeah, so basically... But before we go... Sorry, go ahead. No, no, yeah, I just want to end up that I want the US out of our backyard and that's the only thing that I want, yeah. I want that too, by the way. And I just, before we go to break, I wanted to comment on this because I recently had some posts about Russia war in Ukraine and such and in the highly emotional, highly stupid atmosphere of online discourse. I was immediately spammed with this phrase by commentators. They have their stock phrases. Oh, he's doing a 180. He's doing a 180. I'm not doing any 180. I like Putin. I admire him very much for how he saved Russia from what was going on in 1990s. And I admire him for humiliating the pretensions

of people in the United States and NATO government who were doing things they shouldn't have been doing, for example, in Georgia or in Crimea. And those to me were model actions, and also what Putin did versus ISIS and other such in Syria, saved millions of lives of Christians in Syria, which they would have been massacred if Assad had fallen. I admire Putin for all these reasons. And I also think that in this Ukraine conflict, Russia is in the right. It was United States or Europe that instigated this needlessly. Ukraine would have just not have had to join NATO and there would have been no war and such. I believe this. Nevertheless, you have to see it from my point of view also that I'm not Russian and I am

not Ukrainian. And I told you, I think at the beginning of this conflict, that I have nothing against Ukrainians, probably you don't either, but I really have nothing against them in the sense that I don't like to see this country depopulated, bombed and so forth. And so this conflict has gone on for a while. At this point, it's so bad on all sides that, you know, I just have some reservations. I lost many friends in European right because I support Russia and so on. Not that my support for anything matters in any sense, but I'm just saying maybe there are other people who think like me, who were initially friendly to Russia, still think they like Putin, they think Russia's cause is right in this war, but you have to say after how many years of war

and it's so much carnage it's not easy to to clap like a seal anymore at it you know of course of course it's a it's been two and a half years and yeah it was but i have a strong feeling that something will change in the at the start of the next year and also as to the maximalist goals or whatever i don't really believe in the maximalist goals i think that Putin indicated quite clearly that he's interested in getting the entirety of Donetsk and Lugansk obelisks, at least. And, well, probably according to Russian Constitution, we also need Hirson and Zaporozhi obelisks in full. But other than that, there were no no attempts really to conquer Odessa, no real attempts and other regions that are outside of those four so I think this

conflict will end well in Russia gaining those four regions in so and yeah well let me make the maximalist case just as an observer I I think it's a insane for Odessa which is a historical Russian city to be part of so-called Ukraine you It is, it is, yeah. But I just don't really see the way, how do we get ideas in the short term. Well, I have a suggestion. I have a suggestion. You get Odessa, you get everything except Galicia, and in exchange you give back Konigsberg to Germany. What do you think? You give back Kaliningrad. The Germans don't want it. We offered it to them back in the 90s. Oh, I didn't know that. know that. It's 100% Russian city. The Germans cannot legally, even if they wanted to, they legally

cannot because they surrendered all their territorial claims back in the 70s, officially, forever. And in the 90s, Gorbachev did actually offer to give back Königsberg to Germany and germany declined citing that they have no legal right to these territories and what a corrupt country yeah i mean gdansk also danzig that's schopenhauer's birth city it's an ancient hensiatic city there's no reason it should be in polish hands you know yeah i mean i i am uh generally on the mom of the persuasion that there should be a russian german border somewhere in the vicinity of well I don't know lots or so on yes well very good sorry you were going to say something Nikolai yes yeah under Medvedev in 2010 he gave away Russian settlements and Russian

territory in the island in the archipelago of Spitsbergen for free for nothing just yeah gave it away and that's why I don't really believe in the war-like rhetoric of Medvedev and the idea that Putin and Shigu and Gerasimov are really that interested in gaining the entirety of the Ukraine. We have seen that it was not in their plans to begin with and of course yes Kirill said the terms are getting harsher but at first the leaked documents from the first failed peace agreement it was Russia didn't really demand much but for the Ukraine to not join NATO and for the and for the four regions did we demand four regions in the first peace negotiations no no it was just yeah not even that so the maximalist goals of the the current sitting guys in Kremlin is the four regions. And that's it.

And that's exactly why I didn't really believe that the war will start because they're not exactly like Bonaparte's and Stalin's and Hitler's or whatever, right? They're very different people. And that's why Medvedev just gave away an entire coast of Spitsbergen for nothing, for to Norway. although it's quite a rich territory with resources. So yeah, it's a miracle that they didn't give the Kuril Islands to Japan and it's a good thing that we didn't because yeah. Well Japan is very butthurt over the Kuril Islands matter still. It's a big issue whenever Russia comes up there. But I actually want to ask you before we go because this matter of new type of warfare. I have friends who believe that Yemen represents

a radically new type of warfare where small bands can use drones to defeat big armies. And I know that drones are being used now in Ukraine, but maybe not as much as they could be. I think this is somewhat overstated. Maybe in the next 10, 20 years, such things can happen. I actually think Yemen is perfectly winnable for the United States now. It's just a matter of the incompetence of the Biden regime. But do you have any opinions on this idea of new kind of warfare drone maximizing small mobile groups and such is there this development in ukraine or do you see it elsewhere in the world and such no definitely drones have changed warfare very much once it's it's a very big topic really but with regards to to

It is true that it is now very difficult to mask troops, to do large maneuvers because the enemy can see everything you're doing at all times. But drones are not that ultimate weapon that people think it is. Because I often see tweets or something or blog posts or whatever people talking about drone warfare in the context of the near future. And they always write things like, wow, imagine if drones learn to do this and that, and then warfare will change forever. But they simply don't look at what's actually happening and they don't know that drones have been doing this for years now. And if you look at very simple things even, like this practice that creates a lot of video footage that many people don't like seeing of grenades being dropped from drones.

Like that is not a new development of the war in Ukraine. The people have been doing that in the Middle East since around 2016. It's just that it has never gotten big, but now it's being done by national militaries. And what you just said about small units with drones being able to defeat large armies, But large armies also have drones. And there's also a permanent arms race between drones and anti-drone weapons. So whether it's electronic warfare, which has seen probably more development in the last two years than in the 20 before. And things like, I don't know, using World War II era anti-air guns to shoot on drones. they are surprisingly effective at doing that and I don't know using shotguns or using your

adapting your own drones for anti-drone warfare things like that it's a permanent arms race it's it's it's not like the pendulum only goes one way it's whenever there is some innovation in drone tech the next anti-drone innovation is just around the corner so it's not going to become this miracle weapon that neutralizes everything else yes i believe this the miracle weapon that's needed is something like the armor from dune this your effort of if billionaires want an end to the age of quantity and a return of the the only way i believe is nothing to do with ideology it just needs to have a return of the power of uh few individuals or one man to be extreme uh strong on battlefield again, and for that you need something like super armor. Without that, it's still mass warfare.

It's still the reign of who has who can put more meat on in the grind of war, you know, but Look, I kept you for a long time. I can tell you I can tell you you need you need vodka break Can we come back? Can we come back for a short segment? I wanted to ask you something about the insanity of online uh and other political discourse uh what you say sure yes sure of course very good uh let us go quick to break uh we have smoke break we will be uh right back so welcome back i'm here with Kirill and Nikolai i'm uh here with Kirill and Nikolai talk matters of uh Russia and other crazy. Well, I am being hunted. I want audience to know this. I believe that they are using drones against me. I am here. I have panoramic view, but there is, I have seen drone hovering

outside window. They may have nude shot of me with prostate and it may be posted. I don't know. I told you that I will make pornography, but I didn't think it would be like this. But welcome back to Kirill and Nikolai. We are talking last segment about the continuing war, Russia, Ukraine. Nikolai, I know you had some extra thoughts on a possible end of war. Yeah, there is a great indicator, actually, of whether this conflict is going to wrap up at the start of 2025, or it will go on for a few more years. So if Russia does a wave of mobilization or forces conscripts to participate in the war as regular soldiers, then Kirill is right, and the war will go on for a few more years. But if Russia doesn't do such a thing and continues to recruit only the willing contract

soldiers as it does right now, there was no mobilization in Russia for two years, actually. So then I don't think that, I think it's going to wrap up, yeah, it's around the corner, some sort of a ceasefire. And in Russia, conscription period happens twice a year, in the fall, in late September, early October, and in the spring. So if it happens in late September, then, yeah, it's not going to end. If nothing happens, then I think, yeah, it will be wrapping up pretty soon. And, yeah. In the manner that you predict, perhaps, with Russia getting full or part control over Donbass and Zaporozh and then... But what would happen with the rest of Ukraine? Would it be allowed to join NATO? Would that be out of the question of what would join the EU but not NATO? What do you think?

This is a great question. Well, it's hard. Well, if there is some sort of ceasefire, it doesn't mean that the war is actually going to end. It will resurface, of course, because this issue is far from completion. And the Ukrainian state cannot actually exist outside of the war. Because right now, Ukrainian borders are closed, right? And millions of people left the country. How is it supposed to exist outside of the war with open borders? It's a mystery to me. So I think it might happen that the civil war might happen in the Ukraine. And so I don't think that it's going to be included in NATO or EU right after it. Yeah, it's hard to imagine. Do you think in a power struggle in Ukraine that it could be taken over by

something like Azov battalion or people who believe in the Indian wheel of peace, you know, the Ukrainian wheel of peace, the rebranded Sonenrad, the Black Sun? Yeah, if there is some sort of ceasefire, then suddenly all the Azovites will remember that their president is their mortal enemy, actually. There are many, many forces that are pissed at each other and want each other dead. It's not a normal situation that is going on there at all. It's a ridiculous situation. So, yeah, I think that's why Zelensky is not very much interested in this conflict stopping, because it's the only way for him to remain in his seat and to be alive. But he can join, doesn't he want to join the ex-Georgian prime minister or president in Brooklyn and have a flat white and hit on art hall Brooklyn?

Yeah, Saakashvili is not doing great. He's no longer in Brooklyn. He's in some sort of prison in Georgia. So yeah, he's doing very badly. And Zelensky is scared that this fate is going to happen to him. So yeah. Yes, I have met a long time ago. Well, I don't want to repeat myself, I have a fear that I've told you this on a past show. But I did meet a long time ago in Zurich, a man who claimed to be from Georgian royal house of Khazar descent, and that it may have been a fake story, but I do believe that he's claimed that his family was one of the few who didn't have to stand up when the tsar entered the room, which is probably why they claimed an old Khazar lineage, even if it was Jewish and so on. But I wonder what then you would make of these crazy online theories that Georgia as well

as Ukraine are Khazar conspiracies to get back at the Rus, you know? Well, as we have seen in the Kursk incursion, it's clear that Ukraine is larping as a Crimean candidate and as the Tatar raiders stealing civilians from villages. So I'm not sure. Khazadia was also mostly Turkic and also most full of slave raiders in that sense, maybe, yeah, but it's also similar to the many khanates of the nomads, which appeared later. Well, it's just crazy online theory. But speaking of crazy online that's spilling into real life somewhat, what do you make of this rebranded Nietzscheanism of people like Richard Spencer, American so-called white nationalist I call Wignatt. I think he's an idiot, but he go around now with this kind of pseudo-Nietzschean talk about NATO and the unity of Europe

and the kind of rebranded Black Sun-NATO anti-Russian Nietzsche-ism that you also see among people like Gunter Fellinger, who people may have seen this character online. He's some kind of EU or NATO official. I'm not sure if he actually has a real position. But he's made himself prominent in online circles and now is appearing on kind of white nationalist or ex-white nationalist podcasts to gin up this idea of NATO as the Black Sun rebrand. What do you make of this? I think that all of them are federal agents, and they're creating honeypots on one hand. On the other hand, they're also – it's not a good sign, actually, because this kind of rhetoric is only possible if they're actively preparing for the war, the actual war, because

In the peacetime, NATO can, well, wear their LGBT flags and force soldiers to walk in heels. It's actually a good sign because it means that they're not ready and not prepared for the actual conflict. Yes. But the Sonya thing, yeah, it's just like, you know, in the American, they're starting producing those ads recruitment advertisement aimed at white guys for the first time in like 15 years. No diversity inside, no gays, no nothing. And it's a sign that they are actually preparing for no good. But those guys are all federal agents and it's just Just like if Putin, tomorrow, starts calling himself a based Nazi groiper. This is the level of discourse, I think. Yes, I believe this, it's very bizarre, and some time ago, I forget her name, but was

Was it Polyakova or something like that, this kind of Nazi Ukraine bitch arguing online, having cat fight with Richard Spencer, ex-wife Nina, whatever, Byzantine about Russia versus Ukraine. Yes. This was going on, people may not know, as early as maybe 2011, 12 around then. And strangely enough, all of these so-called white nationalists, like staff of Countercurrents magazine and such, they all went to Ukraine. I don't know how someone paid for them to go to Ukraine, and they've been ginning up this black sun, Nazi, Aryan Ukraine as the vanguard of the white race for over a decade now. And it's partly because of this that I wrote an article some time ago showing how neo-con rhetoric from the early 2000s, which people may forget, it was mainline neo-cons like

Bill Kristol using similar distortions of Nietzscheism to push for war. And in this case, it would be very dangerous because it would be a honeypot death trap for many young guys who could be convinced, yes, this is the Aryan war of our time, brothers, go fight the Russian orcs. And of course, in industrial warfare, yes, they would get completely destroyed. So I wrote something about how disingenuous this use of Nietzscheanism is, and really, in some ways, malicious use of Nietzscheanism to get a lot of guys killed in a pointless war. No, Nietzsche did not mean that you should go die in industrial warfare in Ukraine, but what do you make of this? Because it goes with what you're saying, these so-called

white nationalists from the United States have been going to Ukraine well before the war and ginning up this kind of spirit. Yes, there is this sort of axis that has been in the works for a long time now there is this god I forgot her name some Ukrainian neo-nazi bitch who used to be all into occultism and Satanism and she used to hang around with all the Richard Spencer type guys all the time and counter-occurrence as you said I forgot her name but this is all the polyacovine I'm not sure maybe maybe sir yes and there is a whole there are a lot of weird connections between all the stuff that I am personally not completely sure of you know how in America you had this weird fat honey pot at home buffer yes started

murdering each other randomly and they are connected to the whole as of white nationalism access as well. You had Azov guys at Charlottesville and at the Hong Kong protests somehow and I think it's all some sort of fat op, some sort of very ominous fat op. Russians, Russian FSB is doing the same thing with the Ukrainian Nazis, so they created a fake telegram group Free Russia Legion, which is called. It's some, yeah, some kind of pseudo-battalion of Russian Nazis fighting for the Ukraine. But it is run by FSB, and the moment some poor schmuck, poor 17-year-old boy joins this telegram and pulls something there, and he gets arrested. and they haven't caught on that it's just I mean this is just a very primitive type

honey trap they haven't caught on to this or no yeah it's my personal my personal conspiracy theory regarding this whole white nationalism as of atom who often think is that it's a fad program to use, basically, Ukrainians after the war. You know the way the CIA used Cubans in the 50s, in the 50s and 60s. Cuban exiles. They used them for various fat ops, whatever, inside the US or outside the US. And I think this whole thing is a preparation to start using Ukrainian nationalists after the war ends in the same way to have them as disposable fat agents and to build connections with white nationalist structures that are also under fat control in the US and other where in the West so I think it's something like that. I am afraid of such things too.

But speaking of Russian fuckery with telegram and such telegram groups. I was told by friends that Russian military channels on Telegram, pro-Russian ones, are lately sharing a lot of trash from United States Twitter. I don't even know if it's the other side, it's just the other type of Wignat. They are sharing things from the Jackson Hinkle or whatever his name is they are sharing candace owens and fuentes retardation i've never seen it russian military channels sharing candace owens he's pretty funny oh this this whole group of influencers you know jake field uh fuentes candace owens who are pushing this kind of wholesome anti-zionist socialism against the united states empire it look it may not be true a friend told

me, I trust him, I don't check these channels myself, but is Russia supporting, you think, or someone in Russia supporting these types of retards on the other side in the United States? As a whole, Russians really don't care. I don't see any popularity of these movements in Russia. The one good thing that this war gave us is some kind of an insulation from this the type of retardation, actually, because we are not really discussing the current thing in the American discourse anymore. Well, there are some, like, Scott Reiter is very popular with Russian boomers, because, hey, it's an American guy who says that we're going to win, or, yeah, let's go. Yeah, but he's been in the Russia Today circuit for years at this point, so it's not some new development.

And the other, I personally don't think they are Russian info-ops or whatever, simply because in October last year, a majority of them simply stopped talking about Russia and Ukraine. They switched overnight and they only talk about Palestine now. To me it seems like very normal social media grifting and not necessarily some sort of coordinated campaign, because I found it really funny how many of these big accounts that made a point out of telling you the truth about Ukraine and backing Russia or whatever, just overnight they stop talking about it whatsoever at all. Yes, by the way, it could still be coordinated, not necessarily by a foreign government or such, it's just grifters coordinate with each other,

they see what the next hot thing is, they try to ride it. The ultimate grifting is actually, it's funny, the only company I think indicted in the Russia hoax in the United States is this catering company from Russia that all I think it was doing was trying to ride internet traffic on Facebook about Hillary versus Trump and to post essentially to get traffic for their own business and that was indicted as election manipulation. But that's just the classic grifter profile. and they do coordinate with each other. They're a small group of faggots talking to each other and such. But look, leaving them aside, I wanted to ask your opinion. What's going on? I have some opinions about this. Elon Twitter, what's going on on it? Because he took it over.

He goes around saying it is a free speech platform and so on. I'm very grateful that my account was given back, that of other friends. I'm not complaining. Overall, it's been a very good thing. Nick Land thinks it's the most important thing in the United States, whatever. But that aside, I do not think that the algorithm on X Twitter right now is organic any more than it was during the Libtard rule. I think Elon or people, not even Elon, but people high up at Twitter are using it as essentially their own message board or forum. And so when a new person comes on Twitter, in case you haven't seen, I have friends who made accounts who are not, they did not follow any right-wing accounts and such, but to a normie who comes on X to look, the accounts

that get promoted is this stuff like censored men and end-wokeness and this kind of thing that I consider grifting coal. It's just boilerplate 4chan-type arguments from five, ten years ago. Even if it's correct, it makes a correct view, I think, look hysterical and stupid, and it's not a reflection of American opinion any more than Left Ex was before. I think it will end badly. I think it will end in discrediting of many of these ideas, because they're presented in such a hysterical and unpleasant way. But Elon, I think, is kind of autistic. He doesn't maybe see that. He just wants to promote, I think, views he sees as opposed to the regime or whatever. Do you have any opinions on this?

On the one hand I am grateful that we are not banned from Twitter either and things like that and indeed there is more free speech now on Twitter than there was before the Elon takeover that is I think out of indisputable. But on the other hand, the experience has gotten a lot worse and I think the main fault is the monetization and it just provides so many incentives to really bad posting and people just trying to bait views and doing whatever and coming up with all these elaborate schemes and trying to toe the line line like for example I mean I am philosophically and principally and morally opposed to this sort of grifting and I would rather I don't know I can't I cannot bring myself to engagement bait and in any case we for example we're on the black lists of all the advertisers

we we barely we basically make no money from Twitter same same and other accounts like the ones you mentioned, the big ones, they managed to toe the line between doing like this engagement bait and not ending up on the blacklist of advertisers and it's just a bunch of people, a bunch of low quality people trying to make as much money as they can and this has really ruined Twitter to some degree. It's basically impossible to, like, it incentivizes against nuance. Yes, no, it becomes complete retardation. I almost, I want the free speech, but I want the libtards back and the centrists to be the main accounts so that we can snipe at them the way we always have with, as you say, nuance and humor. Instead, it's these colors presenting the most hysterical versions of of our ideas.

And I want also to add, call me paranoid, but again, friends have told me this, not on my prompting. Friends who signed up in small accounts on purpose did not follow anyone on the right, and they've told me that anything negative about me specifically immediately goes to the top of the algorithm. Even when there are no organic, in other words, the statistics, the numbers are not there for it, it immediately gets visible to anyone. And I don't know if that's random. A friend even speculated that it could be Elon himself doing this, that he might be petty enough because of my attacks on his so-called natalism idea. But whether it's him or someone high at Twitter, of which I know there are hostile people there, I don't know. You think I'm being paranoid?

I do think they're kind of attacking me specifically. I think one aspect of this is that it has become now economically viable to use bots, to push your own tweets, to buy likes from bots and so on. This has now become a tactic that before would only get used by like NGOs or governments because it is some cost intensive to some point and it only makes sense if you want to push a narrative and you are ready to expand resources for that, but now it has become a viable tactic that also pays for itself in the West and so I can imagine that a lot of these people, a lot of these grifters now simply just poof their own tweets with bought likes and then whatever and they still make money from it. And quite aside from the people I've mentioned who are alt-lite, so-called people who repackage

right-wing or capital-D dissidents, so-called ideas from 4chan, there is also the kind of more extreme boomer normicons such as Catterd and Ben Shapiro, who, if you remember, they were on Elon's preferred list of accounts. I think they get artificially boosted. And I want to remind our audience of facts that on the day that Elon took over X, E. Michael Jones, I don't know if people know who this is, he's, let's say, Catholic, Christian, he's not a Christian nationalist, but the kind of Catholic, very reactionary, you could say, traditionalist or whatever. But he got unbanned, and I know for a fact that he got unbanned that day without Elon's knowledge. The reason I get into this detail is I think there

are people high up at X, at Twitter, who have Elon's ear, who are not good people. I don't know if they're feds or just so-called integralist, traditionalist, this kind of homosexual coven of American movement conservatives. I deeply dislike them. They deeply dislike me. And I think Elon might be too autistic coming out of the rationalist or whatever philosophy that he does that he doesn't see. I think the reason he pushes this kind of view is he wants to colonize Mars. I think that's noble. He needs population numbers and pressure. He thinks to do that. So he promotes this idea, natalism, but he doesn't see that the mass of posters that he's promoting on X quite artificially, who support the same idea, do not support his aims. They think space is not

real or that he's in communion with demons or things of this type. They're retarded. We are going quite a bit off topics here, but I don't know if you have opinions on such. Yes, Yes, has there been interruption? No, no, no, it's all good. Yes, or you do not like what I said? Well, I think the alliance between Elon and this kind of boomer con religious conservatives just on the matter of so-called natalism is a big mistake from Elon's point of view. Well, we can tie it back to the Durof earliest that he was indicted with all those horrible crimes that were committed by someone else on the Telegram app. But we don't see Zuckerberg or Elon Musk suffering the same consequences, although it's quite clear that, well, someone was posting some illegal stuff, right,

on X.com, and he has protection, and Durov has not. I think, yeah, it's quite clear that Musk is more willing to cooperate with the American Intel agencies than Durov was with. So that's the only piece of information that I consider important about what Musk does or wants because he's not a bad person, but he is controlled. It's great that he reserved some sort of freedom of speech for himself and for the users. I am grateful for that. But yeah. I mean, he's basically just the smart, he just did the smart thing. He bent the knee while preserving some liberties for himself and so while he cooperates on the crucial things for the US government, he is allowed some leeway to do whatever he wants. Well, of course, like all these rich tech guys,

is quite an eccentric person with weird views both political and personal and of course that comes into things but I think that I guess that's just part of having a platform that is ruled by one person who bends it to their personal tastes. Yes I do think his aims of Mars colonization are noble and one of the few exciting things proposed by a billionaire. It's better than Jeff Bezos wanting to hang out with Hollywood starlets and live out high school fantasies. But I wonder if Elon is open to being converted somehow because the rationalist philosophy that he holds are very inadequate. I don't know what you think of this. They believe in a form of utilitarianism, that having more people means more enjoyment or something like this, and that's a good thing.

It's a bizarre autistic Reddit philosophy. Yeah, well, Musk seems like a very Reddit person to me in general. Yes. A little bit, unfortunately. He's like a medieval step-warlord trapped in the body and mind of a Redditor. Well, let's hope that he doesn't start posting Sonin rods and stuff like that. That would be the worst crossover. Yes, the Ukrainian Aryan wheel of peace. It's been remade now, the Wernsburg. But I wanted to ask quite different question before we go. I know I've been keeping you for a while. I noticed you posted recently about Russian alcoholism and how it is not violent and how it leads rather to melancholic camaraderie, sentiment over enjoying music and memories together. I am interested in this idea. Yes, can you comment some more on this?

Yeah, well, I guess most of the action, of course there are fights of drunks, but it's very rare. I think in Russia there are other races who are doing it, like the Buriyats and various Siberian peoples. They are very violent when they get drunk. Or because they can't hold their drink. They are like American Indians in that way. And they constitute for the majority of their, well, aggressive drunk behavior, of the murders, of the stuff like that. Whereas Russians, well, we know quite well how to hold our liquor, and I haven't really seen any drunk aggression in the Russian, in various Russian settings, in the bars, at home, with various people from all walks of life. So, yeah, I think that's why I posted this tweet, that I think it's an injustice to see Russians as aggressive drunks.

I don't think that we are particularly that. What is mood in Russia now? Are people happy, are depressed? I get sense in much of United States, in the hinterlands especially, there is depression. Are people cheerful or what mood in Russia, more or less, if you put your finger on it? Nobody outside knows this. It's an interesting question. I wouldn't say, I think that Russians are Americanizing in a way, not politically, not culturally, culturally, but some aspects of it, like in the work ethic, there are many workaholics now in Russia, and many people who are also copying the best parts of the American experience that perhaps are disappearing in the US itself, like people are starting to smile way more. I know some people, several people who are forcing themselves to smile all the time.

Like, it's very interesting. And Russians, yeah, they are now like to work a lot, advance their careers, smile, you know, like ape some characteristics of corporate America of the 80s. Russians are in the yappy phase, I would say. Yes. Yeah. I see. So no great depression at all. about the music that gets listened to during these drinking parties, especially as young people listen to hip-hop, same as United States and France, or is there different music? Well, yeah, the young people do listen to hip-hop, but it's not trendy to drink alcohols anymore, so young people don't really get drunk. I don't see any drunk teenagers, they're not drinking beer they're drinking energetic drinks and energy drinks and that's it. As I said

for the young person in Russia it's untrendy and uncool deeply uncool to drink to smoke to do this No it's the same in the west I think that's an advantage of zoomers worldwide or at least United States by the way I don't think alcohol is so great either but they've given it up in favor of nicotine and drugs I guess which is I think it's maybe an improvement I don't know what you think? Well, drugs certainly, and I'm not sure that it's a huge improvement, but nicotine is also losing, yeah, like teenagers don't even vape anymore. Ah, they do vape a lot. No, they don't. No, they don't. Not in my city. I don't see any vape shops. Most of the vape shops were closed recently. I don't see any kids with vape sticks on the street. Well, maybe they do it in the

toilets in the bathrooms when no one can see them but yeah. In any case I think it's the collapse of alcohol consumption in Russia. I think it's a good development because like it paves the way for a restoration of some sort of proper drinking culture and not the very dysfunctional late Soviet and post soviet alcoholism culture and like basically young people don't drink vodka anymore at all it's it's considered very in bad taste to be drinking straight vodka and things like that and it's more of a hipster alcohol culture and like craft beers and so on but there is another addiction that is very dangerous and it is growing like wild wild fire rachmaninoff rachmaninoff No, gambling, online gambling, casinos, online casinos, Russians are losing trillions of rubles

every year on this stupid bullshit and soldiers also. It's like the plague in Russia and the Ukraine. It's the worst aspect of modern life, modern Russian life experience, I would say. That's a very south european vice, you know, that's a very greek and spanish vice. Didn't they actually, I remember, didn't they legalize like sports gambling in the US as well a few years ago? I think so, I mean there's gambling is semi-legal in many parts of America but it's extreme ingrained in all Mediterranean culture I think, European Mediterranean culture. Yeah, Russia is the bridge between North Europeans and South Europeans and yeah and Eastern Europeans. We are in between in many regards, yeah. Yes, and Buryat Mongolians, yes.

Of course, in Buryat Mongolians, but not Mongolians I would say, yeah, but Buddhists definitely. It's funny, I was flying in a plane full of Yakuts recently from Saint Petersburg and Yakuts are very funny people in that they are way more matriarchal than Russians and Yakut women are all tough, they're tough, they're cursing, they're smoking cigars, they're drinking, they're swearing a lot, yeah, very wild experience being around Yakut women, but yeah, they have some other Would you like to visit Sikuche with me sometime? I want to do this, yes. It is said that they or the Altai people are the ones who speak the most original type of Turkic. And it's very interesting to hear it spoken, even though they have slight Russian accent,

but to hear their Turkic spoken versus what gets spoken in Turkey now, which has been not even so much Middle Easternized, But, well, Armenians and Greeks will not like this, but the Turkish in Turkey is very Armenianized, Greek-alized, kind of Indo-Europeanized, you know? Yeah, sure. Yes. Well, I've been keeping you for a while. I would like to talk to you next time about a thing, maybe not even related, Russia. Perhaps you are tired to talk this. I have many more matters from late 19th century Germany to discuss with you and the problem of what mean new right, because this word is misused. If you are interested, we talk this next time. But before we go on the related matter of this mythological great figures of the new right,

there is Baron Ungern von Sternberg, who was going to be, let's say, Buddhist new syncretic khan tsar of Russia. Is there such possibility in future? Because I would like to see some kind. I have, you know, romantic images of him and Nicholas Roerich and some kind of Russian-Tibetan Eurasian unity to dominate that continent from that point of view. Am I crazy or are there people who have the same dream? Well, I guess Putin has it. Putin is kind of a reincarnation of von Sternberg in a way, because as he said, he's... Germanophile and asianophile as well. Yeah, Putin is the reincarnation, so it only makes sense that you like the guy because he is that. Yes, because the Mongols in Russia, they are the only Tibetan Buddhists,

they are Tibetan Buddhists, correct? Or that version of Buddhism outside of Asia proper, and And perhaps some unity could be contrived to have Russia as protector of Tibet. This very important for him. Yes, have you noticed that like Ukrainian and Western propaganda very often singles out the Buddhists? Yes. Specifically savage and evil and whatever. And they are precisely- And even the Pope did that. Yes, yes, even the Pope. And they are Tibetan Buddhists. Yes. They are Tibetan Buddhists. it may be it's all a big conspiracy against against tibetan yeah but i do think it you joke but i do think i don't know about conspiracy coordinated but there is a spiritual uh if you can call it that an emotional psychological term that makes people both have abandoned tibet as a

cause and attack these people and attack russia together with them i think um i think there is Yes, and it's connected to the fake religiosity you see now in conservative and even left-wing circles in the West, you know But I would like to point out that there was no real friendship with China achieved. Many people were saying that right when the war started that yeah Russia and China are best friends forever now. No, they didn't actually happen and not even the gas deals and oil deals are all people are in the air. The Chinese are not really any closer to us than they were before the war. So, yeah, no real friendship happened. And I can imagine Russian-Chinese relations worsening in the near future. And they are worsening, actually.

Well, that's good. I want Russia to make alliance Mongolia, Tibet, Buryat, and become protectors of the minorities of Asia against the Han Blob, you know? Well, it might just happen. And in the closing statement, I want to make a little shill segment. So yeah, I want to remind the listeners that our podcast, Russians with Attitude, is a mostly historical and cultural commentary podcast. And I want to promote a great series that we recently did on the Donetsk war of 2014. As you are aware, there is almost no legit information about recent Russian history in the English language. And I don't even mean that there is no positive stuff. There's not even enough information about the darkest sides of the recent Russian

history. So there's simply nothing gaping void. So we did a eight hour series dedicated to the Donbas war and invested a lot of time to reconstruct the chronology, the inner workings, the biographies of all rebel leaders and their internal strife and all the major battles of that war that was the firing gun and it was the start, the actual start of the current conflict that we're seeing right now. So yeah, if you're interested in the Donbas war and the Donbas revolution, I should say of 2014, so go check it out. I will next week, I will actually combine all the episodes into a single giga episode of eight hours. So be really prepared and yeah, people are loving it. Let me know this and I will post it myself. Yes, Russians with Attitude podcast.

This part of show only open to my subscribers, but you should all listen and I will post it myself. I have very high interest in this on my own. But Kirill and Nikolay, it's been an honor and pleasure to have you back. You are welcome back anytime. And yes, next time, maybe we talk lighter thing, yes, we get drunk, champagne, pretending to be a Russian Tsar court or such, yes. Very good, until next time, now you attack me, I could tell that when I said that you sent psychological message attack on my mind. But I must go now, until next time, BAP out.