Please welcome to Caribbean Rhythms Major Kalvisp show special. I am here with old frog friend, very special episode with Martin. You all know him as Martin. He is the captive dreamer now on Twitter. He is old comrade in fighting trenches. I think I've known Martin 2015, 16, 17, long time. And recent, he get in huge Haiti, he is creator of Haiti Exposé, and we will talk that on this episode. But also, Martin is known among many friends as translator, conservative revolutionary theorist, you can say, on some of my favorite authors, like Ernst Junger and Celine and Pierre Drew La Rochelle. And later on in episode, we will talk more interesting such thing, what was happening in Europe during what I call Nietzschean moment from 1900 to 1940, a great flowering of intellectual

artistic thought in Europe. But that's for later in episode. Right now, Martin, welcome to show. You did amazing thing in Haiti. Welcome to Caribbean Rhythm. Thank you, Bap. It's great to be here. Yes. Tell the audience, because not everyone who listened to this show is on X-Twitter, but you are actually the guy who created, you can say, the Haiti, you did the Haiti exposé on what happened in Springfield with the dumping of 20,000 Haitioids there, no? Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to take sole credit for that. I think people had been talking about it for a while. Even some mainstream journalists had been doing some reporting on the ground. J.D. Vance actually spoke about it, I think, back in July, but it didn't really catch on.

And I think maybe with the election heating up, with that, you know, sort of resonating in the consciousness of the people, it sort of caught lightning in a bottle there. Yes. But you, I mean, you are modest to say such things, but I think you should take more credit. Yes, it was at times being said during the past year, offhand remarks by J.D. Vance and I think Lee Fang or some other journalist like this. But you did extra, as far as I understand, you got in touch with locals in Springfield. You look on Facebook discussions of this and you really exposed stories that some people are saying could really change election trend. Actually, I think Trump, look, with all due respect to what you did, I think Trump was going to win, but I think you solidify his win and you

bring big mandate for him to do what we all have always wanted him to do, which is to reverse migration, re-migration. We will talk this later in a little bit, but tell audience what you actually did to expose this story, the people in Springfield and so on? Well, I was reading the New York Times, there's a New York Times piece that came out about two, three weeks ago and I posted from it and some European leftist quote-tweeted it and he was very, very upset with me and it drew a lot of attention and I thought, you know what, this is an issue that needs to be looked deeper into and I spent, I can say this, I spent, you know, formative years of my life in the Midwest in exactly these types of towns that have been sort of left behind by you know, what we could call globalism or

you know, offshoring, outsourcing, all of these things. So there was an angle there that I could kind of relate to and it was a personal bit for me, but the real catch I think was when I went to to YouTube and I found a city hall meeting and or what they call the city committee meeting of Springfield. And there's a few of them on there, and I watched about five or six hours just to kind of get a vibe for how the citizens were responding, if they were upset, were they, you know, talking about things that weren't being talked about. And I kind of came across that one clip of that sort of, you know, the poor old pro lady talking about how, you know, these migrants were making her and her elderly husband's lives miserable and she was basically just begging for someone to help her.

And as soon as I saw that clip, I knew right away. I was like, okay, this is gonna go viral and it's gonna go viral for the right reasons because what it's doing is it's putting a name and a face to something that can be very abstract, right? When they say immigration, what they're doing is they're papering over a lot of qualitative differences there. But here is some woman whose life is directly impacted by these policies set up by the Biden-Kamala administration in a way that is perfect messaging for the Trump campaign because this is exactly what MAGA's been about since 2016 and this is the strongest part of the MAGA movement. Yes. I just want to interject for a moment. You have Opinions Editor I saw the other day at Newsweek and she looked like which, you know,

she looks completely crazed. I didn't even listen to what she was saying. There's a video of her fulminating about what, essentially what you did, the fact that J.D. Vance, now it's part of the Trump campaign, that it's become a national issue. She is very mad that people are complaining that essentially, what is it, one third of the current population of this Springfield, Ohio, this Midwestern town, is now from just, you know, all this talk of diversity, there is no diversity, it's two cultures, it's bifurcated into two worlds now in that town. It is the native Ohioan population, and then it is just Haitians, it's not like it's, oh, it's Haitians and Japanese and Koreans and also some German, no, no, they put 20,000 Haitian in a size of 60,000 people, I guess, or is it 40,000 people?

I don't remember. But completely changed demographics of this town. Again, replacement, migration is the right name for it. And this woman was fulminating about, oh, I cannot believe that the Republican Party and MAGA and the Trump campaign has picked up on this and is not condemning this racism because it is torpedoing the multiracial democracies and the coalition, the multiracial working class, yeah, that's it, the working class multiracial coalitions that was developing. And since 2017, when we all started to get banned, and I just want audience to know, I forgot to say when I was introducing Martin, it's really a kind of cyberpunk story, Martin. You've been banned, I think, more times than anyone I know on Twitter. I think at least 50 times, something like that.

I've been banned so many times that I've been banned from most email providers. I've been banned from ProtonMail because I had to make so many burner emails to make new X accounts. No, this is amazing. So yes, you were banned, I don't know, 50 or more times. The only competitor I know to you is Richard Hollywood, if you remember this old frog poster. He was part of Frog Twitter. I don't know how they find you and him even on alt accounts that you make anonymous new accounts. They must have someone at Twitter must be completely obsessed with you to hunt you. This is a cyberpunk story similar to how they hunted other legendary posters like Douglas McKee and so forth. So when we all started to get banned in 2017, we started to

slowly be replaced by what I called face fags. People who were pushing this line that, well, the Trump campaign was not really about immigration and so it was about challenging the globalist neoliberal economic hypercapitalism through a working class multiracial coalition, which is basically the, some of these people are leftists, some are old type GOP of the, let's say, Santorum, if people remember that. Russ Dowsett wrote similar book in 2008, I think, making same points that the Republican Party was too hostile, too welfare state, and it needed to build a kind of Catholic, integralist, multiracial, working-class coalition to challenge the elites, and everyone is by now familiar with this rhetoric. But that's not really what Trump campaign is about.

Sorry for the long tangent. Trump campaign in 2016, we all remember, people were saying, build the wall. That's what they were chanting in rallies. They were chanting about trade or foreign wars, although those were parts of the campaign. But build the wall, stop this mass migration insanity that Merkel had changed the demographics of Germany in 2015. That's what was on people's minds and what was happening in the United States also. That's what on people's minds. This what you're saying, no? Yeah, I think that's exactly true. And I was going back through some older Trump videos from the RNC, from his RNC acceptance speech in 2016. And there was this really powerful moment. I remember watching it at the time, time, which was basically what got me totally on board with Trump.

Even before I enjoyed his rhetoric and he was voicing something that no other politician was doing at the time, but at the RNC he had this great line where he said, to the forgotten men and women of America, you will be forgotten no longer, I will be your voice. And I think that kind of rhetoric was just so powerful, it really picked up on the forgotten people of America, the heritage Americans, flyover people, Midwesterners, the sort of salt of the earth people who are just completely left out of the political system, they're without representation, and to the extent they do get representation in the GOP, it's from these sort of cucks like Mike Pence, I mean, think of how much more interesting J.D. Vance is compared to Mike Pence. People have very short memories, I mean, Mike Pence

was this, you know, stodgy, boring, cultural, conservative, you know, loser, whereas J.D. Vance is talking about interesting issues. He's fighting back. He's not afraid to do adversarial interviews. I think that, you know, the campaign is really getting back to what made 2016 so exciting. Yes, I am very impressed lately with J.D. Vance's presence of mind on Interview. He shut down this bitch she was trying to push on. By the way, she had a completely masculinized face, this female journalist talking to J.D. Vance. What was Darren Beatty talking about? Was that what Darren Beatty was talking about? Yes, Darren Beatty was pointing out, so just for audience to know, this woman journalist was telling J.D. Vance why was he talking about cats being eaten

by Haitian immigrants in, you know, newcomers. I love this word, in this Springfield, Ohio town. And J.D. Vance answered in a calm way with much presence of mind, putting her down, explaining to her that media had ignored the real story, which is the swamping, demographic swamping, of this city with 20,000 Haitian migrants. By the way, sorry, I am drink champagne here, so my mind wonder, do you remember some months back or even maybe last year, late last year, people were spreading about, I'm going to post this, the BlackRock, this is BlackRock CEO, I don't know his name, can I be politically incorrect, Martin on show, I think I can, some Jew, some Jew, he's very Jewy, and even he was amazed, he was a Davos of all places, and he was saying,

you know, the Biden administration is collapsing. They are making all these mistakes. And one of the things he said that people were spreading, they were amazed that the BlackRock CEO would say this, like eight million new migrants since the Biden administration. And even that type of person was just amazed at what Kamala Biden administration had done, which is this nation-wrecking Angela Merkel-type caravan population replacement migration. But anyway, I don't know. J.D. Vance was able to turn around on this woman who wanted to focus on, oh, well, did Haitian migrant eat cat in Springfield, or did they actually eat them in Dayton, Ohio? Or, you know, and he's, you're a fucking retard, And the real issue is this replacement migration that nobody voted for, and it's obviously

being done as a kind of punishment on the forgotten American, as you say, you know? Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I think people are getting, rightly so, I think people are getting sort of, they're latching onto the meme energy of the cats and dogs. But what that's doing is really, it's just putting a, I don't wanna say a face, but it's making something tangible or interesting to people that they can then dig deeper. So the left is trying to do all these debunkings, right? They're debunking that, oh no, they weren't eating the goose. It's actually a goose from the neighboring town, right? And all this stuff. But what that does is that allows people to get into the heart of the matter, which I think is what we should be focusing on. And I think that's why the initial clip I posted

of that woman who said, look, we're being left behind, we're being hung out to dry, that's the real story. That's the real story. If the cats and geese, whatever, can draw attention to the very real human element here, that's the most important thing for me. Yes, I think this remind me of problem of Muslims in Europe, which is they are exceptionally aggressive overall. Obviously, in individual cases, there are always exceptions. But I am actually thankful for the aggression of the Muslim newcomers, Martin, because if they were not so violent and reject the so-called libtard. I heard even that when you arrive in Holland as an immigrant, you are shown video of two men kissing to see if you are okay with that. So naturally, Muslims, especially in the second

or third generation even, they react against this, they don't like, and then they act out in violent ways. So it is their violence actually that woke up Europe to the problem of mass migration. If it was not for that, on this show we can say the truth. I think that's a good thing because it woke up Europeans to the problems of mass migration. Otherwise, if it had just been Brazilians or even Africans, you can say, well, maybe the European would have forgotten it. And I think this plays a similar role in the United States. Of course, 9-11 and other terrorist attacks, the Chernayev brothers and other things, should have woken people up. But if Haitians eating their pets, Gambians barbecuing their dogs, barbecuing someone posted videos the other day,

some migrant African woman dressing a live pigeon on the street, of course she's schizophrenic. But if that wakes them up, then that's fine. That's good, we should be thankful for their savagery is what I'm saying. Absolutely, and I think the left has created this sort of mythology, stretching back even to the Bush years, where they've sort of tried to paint George Bush and the neoconservative movement as these anti-Muslim racists, these sort of proto-alt-right figures or something like this. But nothing could be further from the truth. I mean, if you go back to when, right after 9-11, George Bush was doing these press tours talking about how Muslims are this integral part of the fabric of the American nation, talking about Islam with the religion of peace.

I think that's directly verbatim a George W. Bush quote. Yes, well, they flew out the Saudis right after 9-11. They specially flew out all the elite Saudi families from the United States, Martin, you know? Yeah, they sent them, yeah, yeah, exactly, so that they wouldn't, yeah. It's really interesting how they've managed to sort of retcon that and paint that era as this sort of, you know, nascent anti-immigrant or nativist, right? What are they talking, Muslim immigration increased into the United States after 9-11 by far, you know? Absolutely did. I mean, the figures speak for themselves. No, Bush, in fact, I think Steve Saylor mentioned this that, you know, in some way Bush is responsible for 9-11 because it was some kind of executive order or vibe that didn't allow airport security

to scrutinize odd-looking Muslim travelers, let's put it that way. And 9-11 could have been stopped by racial profiling in the airport, which apparently some of the security guards wanted to do and they were overridden. I don't know if I'm misrepresenting this, but I remember this as being part of the 9-11 story. It could have been easily stopped that way, you know? There was, I vividly remember, there was a specific security guard who said that he, I can't remember if it was Mohamed Atta or someone else, he specifically said, I wanted to pull this guy in for extra security, but I was worried that this was going to look like racial profiling, and that is. And that came from the Bush-Cuck, the cuck-servative Bush administration, you know, which of course now is coming out against Trump.

I mean, it's always been against Trump, but Cheney and all these people are speaking out against Trump now. It's amazing how they are trying to, On the one hand, brag about the endorsement of Cheney for Kamala, on the other say that, you know, Bush 9-11 Iraq warmongering is what led to Trump. It's incredible, you know, the lies. I mean, all of those sort of pivotal figures, right, like Bill Kristol, Mitt Romney, Jonah Goldberg, I mean, these people are all lining up, they have been lining up since 2016, but they're really, you know, tripling down on supporting Kamala and supporting the Democrats. And so it is funny to see that this is, you know, the left, you know, the NPC meme was so good, you know, showing that computer chip in someone's brain being replaced,

because it shows you like Cheney was this sort of, you know, the Uber, the ultimate bad guy. And now all of a sudden he's endorsing Kamala and it's like, oh, you know, great, thank you. Glad to have you aboard. One of the great Republicans who's not a uncivil barbarian like Trump, right? Yes. Martin, what your opinion on how the Haitian migrants and others of this type that have mass migrations from the third world, the global south, let's say, has vastly increased during the Biden administration? I think it was done as a punishment on Americans for voting for Trump, I think, twice, and for making sure that won't happen again. And so they're flooding Trump-friendly states with the trash of the world. But how is it happening?

You have posted quite a bit and done some research on the mechanics of how this is happening. Do you want to comment on that? Yeah. So I think there's sort of different levels and different motivations. I think at the very top, the people who are coordinating this, it is just about punishment. It really is just about punishing these people. We've seen this even in the rhetoric on Twitter, on X right now, where the left has, supposedly the working class left who's been talking about things like the Bernie campaign, Medicare for all, unions, strong protections for workers, that all goes out the window the second some working-class person in Springfield, Ohio, or Princeton, Indiana, or Washington, Indiana, these places, talks about migration, right?

Migration really is, I think, this sole position of the left at the moment. All of these other things fall by the wayside. So at the very top, you have, I think, a punishment aspect from the people in charge. As it goes down, the motivations change. And I think for the NGOs, I mean there's NGO groups being paid handsomely to sort of disperse these people all across the country. They're being paid in other countries to do the same thing. At the lowest level you've got these charity groups, you've got government agencies who are basically handing out EBT cards. These people qualify for all sorts of cash handouts, legal assistance. I think legal assistance is a huge thing. I've got a great quote here, if you don't mind me reading. No, please, audience must know what's going on.

So this is from America Magazine. And really what this is is it shows how once the people get in, they're coached by these pro bono lawyers, people who are funded either by the federal government or by charities. And what they do is they teach them how to game the asylum system. They teach them how to say that they're being persecuted back in their own lands, all of this stuff. So here's how this person just admits this. So this is Mr. Guerra, who's working at one of these NGOs. Often, he says, those with legitimate asylum claims do not understand the process. When they meet a government official, they want to let them know I'm a good person I do all the things you can trust me I'm a hard worker Mr. Guerra said in other words asylum seekers want to

ensure government officials that they will be productive members of society I don't know if that's true or not but that's what he's saying yes but that does not help their asylum case right so what they do then he says they coach these people Mr. Guerra noted a study by Las Americas immigrant advocacy center that found pairing legal services and basic education of the process leads to higher numbers passing credible fear interviews yes so these people they're sending lawyers they're sending these people and telling them how to get how to basically portray some sob story that look I can't go back to wherever because I'm going to be killed because I'm gay or because I'm of whatever, right? And that is, you know, so again, you've got this cascading effect of

influences, of motivations, and these NGOs, I think, is the one thing that people really need to be looking into. Because, look, if you went to another country, I mean, you're a traveling guy, you understand the logistics, but you can't just get across to a place. I mean, when you want to visit some place, you have to have your ducks in order, you have to understand, you have to know that your money is going to work there, that your phone's going to work there, that you're going to have a place to stay. I mean, these people are coming from some of the poorest, most dysfunctional places in the world. How are they all of a sudden showing up at the southern border and then telling someone, oh, I'm going to be in Cincinnati in a week? Why are they going to

Cincinnati? Who's telling them to go to Cincinnati? How did they get from Haiti to here? How did they get from Ghana? How did they get from India and any of these places they're coming from? Because Because it's not just Mexico. It's many of these countries. Yes, well, I always thought, Martin, this is an unsavory topic, but a lot of this is being done by homosexuals and other pervertoids in the United States who want a fresh meat. I mean, this allegation has been made also by Alex Jones type regarding children, trafficking, and so on, which I think is a small part of it for sure. But a bigger part of it, I do think that the prostitution market is very much desired by, let's say, gay faggots in the United States government. Look, you don't need to respond to that.

I'm a bit drunk, I go off. But yes, this NGO thing, very important And it's a lot of religious groups also, the Jewish groups and the Christian kind of Catholic charities are bringing them in because they get kickbacks essentially from United States government for bringing in migrants, yes, for taking care of them. Yeah, I mean, you know, you've got the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, which is a big one. You have Catholic Relief Services, which is another big one. Lutherans are in on it, the Mennonites are another group. I just want to interject because people know me as, oh, he's nasty neo-Nazi pagan. I'm not attacking the believers when you say Lutherans, but the organizations, they've become something else. They've become something else. Well, and look, they're taking federal money.

I mean, I don't think it's because they're Lutheran or it's because they're Catholic that they're doing this. I don't think that's true at all. I think these institutions become something other than they were, right? And they essentially become wings or arms of the government under, you know, and they're taking orders from the DHS. They're taking orders from Alejandro Mayorkas, who is a Hispanic Jew. They're taking orders from these people, and the money becomes corruptive. Yes. And once they are in these towns, especially with the Springfield case that has become so widely publicized now, there is an economic aspect also. They are put supposedly or some of them into jobs that subsidize jobs essentially. Do you have information on that? Yeah, you know what? The best person for this,

he reposted a lot of this stuff a couple days ago, is Douglas Mackey on X. He's been doing some really great work showing what specific benefits these people qualify for, how they get things from driver's licenses, to loans for cars, and they qualify for all sorts of things that regular Americans wouldn't qualify for. They qualify for these insane Medicare benefits, cash payments, and then groups on the ground are coaching them on jobs. And look, the local business owners enjoy this because what this does is it allows them to pay lower wages because the rest of their expenses are subsidized. They're not like a local worker who said, look, come work for $16 an hour, but you still have to pay your rent, your car insurance, your health care, all of this stuff. This stuff is all subsidized.

It's all paid for by either the government or through these NGOs or even through local charity groups. So then these local business owners can pay lower wages because these people are living 10 to a house and having their rent subsidized. Yes. It reminds me, I live for a long time in Argentina and every basically small supermarket in Argentina is now Chinese, Chinese owned. For me as a ruthless, I'm sorry to the audience for background car noise, but I am in a certain city, an apartment where I have to keep window open to smoke, to chain smoke during show and car pass by, excuse me. But every small super The first supermarket there is owned by Chinese. Why? Because they just cut costs to the bone. Their family sleeps in the supermarket. They use contraband.

They do every cheap thing you can imagine. Now you can say that's a kind of oriental, underhanded, whatever. It doesn't lead to quality improvement. But the same logic applies to migration in United States. When you hear the thing about lettuce pickers that big, angry business does not have money to pay American teenagers or something on summer $20 an hour to pick lettuce, they would rather pay whatever it is, $5 an hour to Oaxacan to pick lettuce. Of course, the Oaxacan then shits in the lettuce patch, and this leads to salmonella outbreaks, And so the healthcare costs, I think, to make up for that alone is an economic hole. Although you can say that subsidizes also the health industry, Martin, you know? It's, yeah, the salmonella from the Oaxacan defecation

subsidizes the health system, Martin. But quite aside from that, that's how it works in the sense of these migrants are coming in, what's left out of the equation is their families are also coming in, they use free healthcare, they get free government benefits, whereas many native, it sounds strange to say, Native Americans, American citizens do not get these same benefits, and so what happening here is just a subsidy, a labor subsidy to certain business industries, and one of the most disgusting things that I've seen is this fat, pudgy, he owns some factory in Springfield. I don't know what they make, but it's been posted all over Twitter. The retarded Libertordian Banania posted this video saying that, oh look, Haitian migrants are much more productive,

because this guy basically gets slaves. They, these Haitian, and it's only about 30 of them, They have to work hard for him and be obedient, or else they will get deported. They will lose their benefits. But he gets to pay them, as you say, far less, because they are subsidized by United States government, which American workers wouldn't be. So this just massive government scam to give subsidies to some businesses through this mass migration channel, you know? Well, and there's a cascading effect that then happens with real estate rent prices right because these people are from countries where what the average annual income what is it in Haiti like fifteen hundred US dollars a year these people are willing to put up well my untold misery they're

willing to live tend to a room they're willing to do all these things that you know we civilized people we Europeans we good Europeans would not be willing to do because you know I don't want to live with these you know I want to live alone I want to live with my space and my quiet and my solitude and yes, this makes that basically unattainable because these people are I mean, I'm not just saying Haitians, but people come of course say India or other places where they're used to living in these multi-generational households Yes, you're getting hen pecked by elders You're you know, you can't go out for a beer at 11 because you're worried what your grandmother's gonna say yeah, the grandmother runs the house the grandmother runs the house in most of the the so-called world tradition.

The baba in the Balkans, the baba, right? Like similar sort of, you don't have freedom. You don't have that sort of freedom. And that's very important to us as Europeans, right? Like that is really important to us. And these people are willing to put up with things that we would never put up with. And that works in the interests of these business owners. It works in the interests of these landowners who rent these places out, who are often then subsidized by the government. They make more money. So it is, it is. Like, people on the ground have a tangible monetary incentive. People at the top have this sort of revenge, these NGO groups. Some of them, I think some of them are good people. Not a lot of them. Some of them really do have this charity mindset. But it's misplaced, right?

It's misplaced. Yes, well, we can talk later on show about the empathy charity humanitarian mindset that actually very self-destructive. But what you just said now, Martin, is very true. It get me going because I speak recently with old friend, you may know him, Menaquinone Four. And he point out, because I complain how much of a scam Europe and United States is compared to Asia, and let's say a place that is widely propagandized that's super expensive, which is Tokyo, Japan, which is not expensive. And it's not because their currency is falling now. Of course, it's more affordable now than before. But it was never as expensive when it came to real estate, especially as America or Europe. I stayed in Tokyo 10 years ago when the yen was quite strong, actually before that.

I stayed there, $60 a night, quite nice hotel in business district central Tokyo. Now imagine staying $60 a night Paris or New York. You would be staying with like Pakistani, Gambian hashish dealers, you know? And that is what Mena told me. Why is this happening in Europe, United States? Why is it so much more expensive for the same you would get in Asia? Because of NIMBY, not in my backyard. Well, why is not in my backyard happening? In other words, why is there not much new buildings, skyscrapers? Of course, Paris, I don't want to say Paris. Paris is beautiful city center, let's not mess with that. But much of United States should look like Tokyo with skyscrapers and high density and so on. Well, why it not happening? because other than high real estate costs,

people have no way to isolate from so-called diversity. African and African-descended populations, Oaxacan and Oaxacan-descended populations, and so on. I'm being impolite, of course, but this does not come maybe even consciously into their minds. They want to isolate from this element, And so, NIMBY comes about, and as a result of NIMBY, real estate costs go through the roof because no new developments are allowed. Does this make sense, Martin? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, this happens big time in sort of the really wealthy areas of California where all these celebrities. Sorry, it doesn't apply to Springfield, but that's why California and New York, so on, so expensive, yeah. Yes, well, and because they want to,

rightly so, I think in some respect they want to keep these people out, I just think that I think regular Americans should have that option as well, I mean, you shouldn't have to make millions of dollars and live in, you know, in, did you ever watch the show Orange County? Yeah, hold on, you mean the old soap opera like Gossip, I love the OC, the OC, I love it. Okay, so yeah, the Orange County, right? I mean you had Seth you had the whole story of that show is fascinating, too But you know, you shouldn't have to live in a dual-income attorney household to be able to stay away from From from the effects of diversity, right? And and I think there's a lot of reasons for that I mean civil rights law is probably the most important one

But it is it is criminal what Americans put up with what Europeans put up with? I've had friends go recently to Japan and tell me, you know, that the food was incredible. Yes. The housing was fantastic. And the prices for everything were more than reasonable. And it's just, you know, you can't even fathom that going to a, going to, like, say, St. Louis in America or some place like that. You know, there's places you just don't go. I think that's a hard thing for a lot of people understand. You just don't go to certain parts of, you know, East St. Louis. You can't go there because there's just criminal gangs hanging around the gas station. Yes. It's very third world. It's third world, and like in third world, a highly bifurcated society developing in United States and Europe,

where a lot of the European and American population is suffering, as we see now in Springfield, in complete. It's one of the greatest human resource catastrophes, I think, because in Appalachia, in upper Midwest, you have incredible potential for great mind power, great genius. J.D. Vance, I'm not going to say he genius, but I don't think he would claim that. But he greatly capable person. But there are many such. And their lives are being destroyed, their opportunities and futures being destroyed through this bifurcation which is being done out of combination of, yes, resentment, revenge, and also misplaced empathy, humanitarianism. And I think as an adjutant, it's not the main thing, but the profit motive of certain businessoids locally, you know?

Yeah, and I mean, look, there's a great place in southern Indiana. It's called Princeton. It's in Gibson County. There's a Toyota factory. You know, we can thank the Japanese for bringing this Toyota factory to revitalize this a little bit. But I was there some time ago, and I was at the City Hall, and I was struck by all of the monuments outside of City Hall. Every single monument was a monument of the people who had died in service in the American military in multiple wars. It went from the Revolutionary War, it went to the Civil War, it went to World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, and then the various iterations of Afghanistan and Iraq. There was a lot of people from this small town who had died in service of the country, and then that same place is being

hollowed out. Their descendants of these people who bled and died are being basically left behind and then blamed for their own situation. When it's out of, in many cases, in most cases, it's out of their control. So I think showing, yeah, this small town created so many warriors who went out to fight for basically America. They weren't fighting for some American ideal, I think they were fighting for their communities and for their people. And their descendants shouldn't be excluded, they shouldn't be left behind, and they definitely shouldn't be demonized for these sort of offshoring, outsourcing, globalistic tendencies that are completely out of their control. Yes. Well, look, Martin, I completely agree with what you said that you are stating it in a kind of, yes,

it's very powerful American way. I am immigrant to America. Of course, I have not lived there for some time. I will just state it in a more impolite way. Many immigrant come to America because they hope, they hope for a country with people like you just said. They hope it look like Robert Redford and small New England town or big New York City where you can walk all over New York City and there are no no-go zones. Of course, New York City is somewhat tamed, maybe not best example, but East St. Louis or whatever. There are many American inner city zones that are no-go zones now. But the point is, many immigrants come to the United States with these hopes, and then they see reality quite different because of developments you said. I don't even think it's necessary to justify it in the

sense of past service to the military or such. It's just obviously better people. The founding stock of the United States built a great country, and that is recognized by some, at least some immigrants who come from Europe especially, where they want to come to such countries. They don't want to come to a place where you have Haitian and Filipino slave labor in textile mills. That's not, you know, forget past service to the country. It's just not a global favela. is not an attractive thing for a country to become. They want to come to the America that they've seen in Hollywood films, right? They want to go to Pasadena in Los Angeles. They want to come to these places. I saw that a bit in my travels to Central America and the way you're treated once you tell people

you're American, it's like, oh, I want to take a picture with this guy. I'm a white guy. I look sort of probably stereotypically American, Midwesterner and so they wanted to take pictures with me and you know I'm like a foot and a half taller than all of these people but that's probably you know white supremacy is sort of coded in these people's brains in a way that maybe Americans don't understand I mean you watch Mexican telenovelas and the television is wider than anything you would see in America. All of the actors are blonde hair and blue-eyed it is it is coded into these people they They want to see that. They want to see that. No, this is very amusing. Yeah, the Latin American telenovelas, the soap operas are great, they're aspirational

as opposed to the English soap operas which celebrate degradation and such of chav or underclass culture. It's very bleak. But look, Martin, I've been keeping you for 45 minutes. This has been very interesting. I want to take a smoke break. You want to take a smoke break, yes? Yes. to ask you when we come back about, well, many things regarding the inability of online and dissident sphere to have addressed similar issues over the past years as effectively as you have. Is this okay? Do you mind if we take a small break for us, though? Sure. That sounds great. Very good. We will be right back. I want to discuss with you, Martin, this problem of Trump assassination, as we are recording this episode, someone hide in bushes, some type of Ukraine-obsessed freak, apparently there was second one.

I don't know if they are waterboarding him, Martin, he may have training in that. But what going on and the media response, I have some thoughts on this, what the media has done both in response to the assassinations, assassination attempts, and its role in fanning up this violence, not only against Trump, but many on the right. But what you say this about assassination, it's crazy. I know you have some thoughts on this. Yeah, one interesting thing is that for the past few years, maybe even a little longer, there's been this effort by the mainstream media to push this narrative, they call it stochastic terrorism, right, where somehow Trump or any sort of right-wing figure, any time he's pointing out a problem or an issue with society, he's targeting people, right,

from the Greek word, he's targeting people for some sort of backlash or assassination or whatever, and they basically have gone all in on this, and now the exact opposite is happening, which is that the media, the democratic smear machine, all of these politicians are calling Trump, all sorts of superlatives, these sort of hyperbolic threat to democracy. Basically what they're trying to say is this guy is a once in a lifetime threat to us. And if you're some sort of democratic operative, some sort of person plugged in, you're watching MSNBC all day and Rachel Maddow's telling you, this man is going to destroy our country. I mean, what are they really trying to do there? They really are trying to almost goad people into these sort of unhinged, very mentally pliable people

into doing something crazy like this. Yeah, Hillary Clinton come on with some bizarre North Korean affect. She look like she stone lady made of gypsum, made of cardboard, some discussed titanic witch come on, say exactly what you now. He threat to democracy, threat to the world. Media really has become a phrase. I don't like cliched phrases. It's been overused now. The liberal media, mainstream media, should be called something like the mob. People have already said this, digital mob. But it really acts as a mob in village setting. And internet has many positive aspect, but can also become a global digital village where old lady look at you from behind the curtain and gossip-based shame. But even before internet, this role of media in democracy is enforcer of democratic tyranny

in the worst type of sense used by Tocqueville. Basically, the libtards imagine themselves as protector of individual rights against mob with pitchforks. But the media so-called, this is the mob with pitchfork. They can destroy life of Chauvin, the man who supposedly killed George Floyd, but didn't really, and multiple type of assassination attempts on Trump. And not only on Trump, people forget that since 2016, there has been extreme violence against, Even relatively normy Republicans, normal fag Republicans like Steve Scalise, that was an assassination attempt by a man who openly said that this was his motivation. And multiple attacks, Martin, of what his name, the libertarian, Rand. Rand Paul, Rand Paul, yeah, Ron Paulson. Ron Paulson, Rand Paul. He had his ribs broken.

There was other assassination attempt. Um, other minor political murders that no one remembers now, I think in Pennsylvania, some local nobody, a Republican city councilor or something like this, had his head slit on his, his throat slit on his lawn, and many other such cases. Whereas, of course, the opposite never happens. January 6, nobody died. That was possibly also a Federal hoax, let's not go there. The Whitmer, Governor Whitmer, so-called kidnapping, they had, was that the case in which they had to drop the charges because all the people who took part in it were FBI informants? Martin, I talk a lot, but you know what I'm saying. This ginning up of violence against right-wing figures of any kind, they can basically destroy anyone no matter what, come after them,

come after their sister's dog, you know? Yeah, and I think the one thing that we're seeing now, and I've noticed this from being on X the past maybe three, four days, is that the, you know, these Democratic pundits are just, they're all in on escalation at this point. There's no sense in which any of them are calling for a de-escalation of the tensions. There's no, there's not even a sort of semblance of a mea culpa, you know. They're not saying, you know, maybe we should just all calm down a little bit. This is kind of getting out of hand. It really is just, no, we're, you know, even the Lincoln, you know, people like the Lincoln Project, these despicable pederasts, they're, you know, just reposting Trump is a threat to democracy.

They're almost just sort of rubbing it in people's faces to say, look, you thought this was this sort of stochastic terrorism. We're tripling, quadrupling down on it. And I, it is, it is something that I, I didn't think that they would go all in on this. But they must be drunk with a bit of power here. They are. And I think also, do you have any thoughts on the mechanics of how these assassinations and other form left-wing violence take place? Because I have some thoughts. If you look at this man, he was in Ukraine. He was extreme involved in Ukraine, obsessed with Ukraine, probably attack Trump out of Russia derangement syndrome, which people forget they had been doing since 2015, they were attacking Trump as some kind of putler conspiracy.

But the point is, the guy who actually did it was some type of fighter in Ukraine, if I get it right. Then you look at the left-wing terrorism that happened in Seattle with so-called CHAZ, and died there. They were shot in a car, something like that. And the people who did it were leftist Antifa who had fought with the YPG, with the Kurds in Iraq, Syria during the fight with ISIS. And I am wondering if you have thoughts on such thing, because it seems there is pipeline Antifa to then get, or some type of equal crazy as Antifa, to get sent with aid of American glow niggas to places like Ukraine, Iraq, get training there, same as jihadi training camp. Then they come back and they are activated, whether because they go crazy or they are

given, I don't think they're given order, but they're given a free hand or information, They go crazy and either they shoot their own people as, I don't know exactly who was killed in Seattle during the 2020, but it was these kinds of trained Antifa, military-trained Antifa. And now it's some equivalent like that of who was fighting in Ukraine. It's not conspiracy theory. These are actually the background of a lot of these people who engage in leftist violence now. Do you have thoughts on this, maybe? Yeah, I mean with Chaz they changed it to chop after right, but it was this with Chaz in Seattle You know, it was interesting because the media was broadly quite sympathetic to it. I remember initially, right? I mean you had these hilarious images of these

These sort of mouth-breathing leftists. Yes trying to make Gardens over cardboard boxes and it was it was quite laughable But we shouldn't forget that the media was very broadly sympathetic to this sort of egregious transgression of law, right? They sort of created, they declared their own autonomous zone. And I think the really interesting thing with the shootings was, yeah, these people were clearly trained because, you know, all of the shell casings, there was that famous, well, there was like four, I think there was four murders or homicides that happened. There were multiple shootings, more than that. But the one main one was, I think some kids stole a Jeep. And on Twitter, you had these sort of bizarre trainee commissars talking about how these

YPG-trained security guards had this incredible target placement and had killed these people. And then the shell casings disappeared. And as far as I understand to this day, I don't think anybody has been charged for any of that. Yes. No, they swept this under the rug, as they did. There was some black veteran, I think, during Obama years, who shot during the first BLM insanity. He shot something like six police officers in Dallas, a clearly politically motivated attack. He said he hated white cops, and he shot and, I think, killed all or a number of them. There would have been multiple TV specials and memorials about that. And instead, on the other hand, you have David Fromm and other such cylinderets, people with

no spine, kind of scurrying creatures, attacking Trump for complete nonsense, again, like the Whitmer thing, which was a complete invention. There was no Whitmer kidnapping. That was proven to be—most of those people were federal informants who were part of that so-called plus, you know? It was something like half of them. They couldn't even testify in court because they were testifying against other federal agents. So it was laughably bad. It was really laughably bad. Yes. The right-wing version, Martin, is nonexistent. The left-wing, the list I made and that you made barely covers it. You could maybe spend hours listing all the extreme left-wing violence over the last few years since before 2016, but it's picked up attacks on violent attacks on Trump rally

goers as they corner them in places like Sacramento, random down, the police too down and many such thing. But I think Charlottesville was a complete setup too, by the way. But look, my point is leftist violence is obviously very real and increasing. And I'm wondering, what is worst case scenario you think? Because I think worst case scenario isn't what people think when they say the word civil war. They have in mind something like Spanish Civil War or American one with movements of large armies. There are no large armies if civil war so-called happens. I think it will take form that it did in Argentina, excuse me, in Argentina in 1970s, when I think by 73 or 74, the American Consul in Buenos Aires said it's in a state of civil war

because there are daily bombings, daily assassinations. And it started in the late 1960s with this kind of wave of terror from the left. The right in Argentina was far more aggressive and more organized than the United States right is. However, even in that case, it took them years to respond. Then when they finally started to respond, it became a kind of tit-for-tat game. Oh, you shot a right-wing union leader, or you shot this company, you know, they were going after CEOs of companies and things like that, and police officers or whatever. So, oh, you shot this right-wing judge, we are going to shoot this left-wing professor, we are going to shoot this left-wing union leader, these left-wing police commissioner, and things like that. And it was mainly targeted at important individuals.

Of course, other people get hurt when you have car bomb and such thing. But that's what it looked like. It was daily, daily, daily assassination shootings, shootouts in the streets, this kind of thing. I don't know. Do you think that's a possibility? I don't see the right in United States it's forming something like the anti-communist alliance, the Argentine anti-communist alliance. And by the way, I'm not endorsing anything, but I predict that if it does take place, it to look like that, but again, I don't see the right wing being able to do that, being able to organize even that far, you know? Yeah, it's like when people try and compare the situation in America, and I think this was maybe more popular back in 2016, 2017, right,

to call it, you know, we're basically, our situation is akin to the Weimar Republic. But I think that's totally false, because in the Weimar Republic you had a strong infrastructure of right-wing sympathetic judges, lawyers, politicians, in a way that you don't really have in America. And if anything, it's the opposite, right? I mean, these people come back from Iraq, these sort of gun bros, and they become trans-supporting libertarians or something like this. They're not even sympathetic to the right. And the judges aren't at all. And so really what you're going to get, you're just going to get set up and the book is going to be thrown at you. And so the left, I think we kind of understand this now, the left can

kind of do all of this stuff. And then they are bailed out by these sympathetic funds. I mean, Kamala, even after the sort of horrendous events in Minnesota during the BLM riots, she was openly saying, donate to these funds to get these people bail and out of prison for throwing Molotov cocktails at police stations. So I don't see that, is it niceness or is it just lack of power? I'm not sure, but I don't see that comparable in any sphere of the right whatsoever in America. Yes, I think it's both lack of spine and genuine lack of power. I think the situation far worse than people realize, and the right in United States incredibly weak. And that if they succeed, for example, in assassinating Trump, it really, there is no MAGA and there is no Trumpism without Trump, I think.

Unfortunately, I think they would neutralize the right in the United States for the time being. It's sad to say there's nobody to follow Trump. I like J.D. Vance, he nice, he not going to be able to carry a MAGA movement on his own, at least at this point, maybe after one administration we see, but I think situation very bleak because yes, as you point out, Weimar, when people make that comparison, it's very false. nobody would stand behind you at all. I think obviously organizing in that direction, which some people on the right are maybe hinting, that would be the act of an agent provocateur in this situation because it's a path to suicide. I don't know. You don't have anyone of the stature of even like a Ludendorff who would be willing to march in the streets to...

Again, I don't think marching in the streets is a good thing. is a good thing. I'm simply saying that you don't have that support from bigger, sort of more well-established, well-connected people. And whether it's cowardice or lack of power or both, I mean, I think that's just a reality, and I think people need to understand that. Yes. To show how deluded is discourse, even among so-called dissidents, of which this guy, Michael Tracy, he's on Twitter, he's on other places, he is doing this kind of independent journalism. I somewhat like him because he's this big, fat, grotesque man who's doing indie journalism, but he has never, and he's not in lockstep with, let's say, all of the Libtard orthodoxies, but he's never actually left them,

So he says something recent that I found absolutely absurd. I thought about it just now when you were saying this, Martin. He was saying that if anyone dares to mention communism in today's world, I cannot take them seriously. How dare you call Kamala or Walt communist when that's obviously not a threat in the world right now and it's equivalent to people calling Bush or Trump fascist. It's obviously too extreme. Well, Mr. Tracy, I think it being very disingenuous, Martin, because I know and I know you know the left, let's say the academic left on one hand, and just the leftist intelligentsia. And many of them openly refer to themselves in private as Marxists, as communists, or they express admiration for that. In Obama, White House, they put out Christmas globes,

Christmas decorations with Mao's face on them. You can say it's being done ironically or whatever likes that. But again, on the right, nothing similar exists. Oh, and let me also say, for Michael Tracy to be saying these things, when right now in Brazil, people on WhatsApp who are grandmothers who send a message, not like even a mass message, but send a message to a private group or something on WhatsApp, get put in jail by Lula regime. And I can show you photographs of Lula, the president of Brazil, with a communist cap with a red star on his forehead together with Dilma Rousseff, the previous president of Brazil, also a red star on forehead. And she had been a communist terrorist in the 1960s, 70s. she cut fingers of people, they were red stars, they call themselves communists.

These are the, and this is the situation in which men like Michael Tracy and to some extent Greenwald, who I also, I actually like Greenwald, I'm not attacking him, but they go around saying oh no communism cannot possibly be real. Well these people call themselves communists. Now think of the equivalent on the right, there's no such thing. If you are even suspected of having fascist sympathies, hard right or reactionary sympathies, you are completely canceled, especially in the conservative establishment world, the neocon world and so forth. I remember before 2015, 2016, which is when actually these things became even more toxic, but I remember before that, Martin, simply because I told, and these are conservative people who the left would call fascists, neocons, and such.

Simply when they found out that I was studying Plato and Nietzsche, that, oh, you are studying, you must be a hard rightist because you're studying reactionary philosophers. Now those are conservatives who said that. They were trained to police their own side, to, you know, this word gatekeep that's become a cliche now, but to police their own side. It is the conservatives who, if they suspect you of being anything in that direction, you are completely cancelled from that world. On the left, it's the opposite. If you are Antifa, oh, I'm a Marxist, at most they would think it's quaint, it's old, but they would groom you as a groom, they are a hard left, through academia, through publications, through NGOs. Nothing equivalent exists on the right.

It's a very disingenuous thing when people like Michael Tracy say don't refer to communism because it's the same disingenuousness as referring to fascism. Well, think of a great example from recent history, which was this guy from San Francisco, the district attorney, what was his name, Chesa Boudin, his actual biological parents were Jewish communists, part of the weather underground, His adoptive parents were Bill Ayers and I can't remember the mother, but you know, these are people who've got a long sort of communist pedigree who would be considered radioactive if they had even shook Mussolini's hand, if their grandfather had shook Mussolini's hand, you know, whatever 80 years ago. So yeah, it is cliche to point that out, but it is important to point it out

that these people get these establishment sinecures, they become professors, they get all sorts of bona fides, and the leftist establishment is either broadly sympathetic or views them as sort of precursors or whatever. And so, I do like pointing that out because it is still kind of shocking, especially to the younger people who don't really understand that sort of pipeline happened between, say, the weather underground or, you know, in Germany you had, like, you know, the red, what were they called, the red army faction, you had all these kind of leftist terror groups that, you know, the ones who weren't killed in some sort of bombing where they blew themselves up became political figures later on or became not even political, you know, working at NGOs or professors, this sort of thing.

I know you like the high art, high literary tradition, the hard right literary tradition before World War II and after. You, like me, I think are a fan of this writer, Henri de Montaland. We will discuss such writers on the next segment. This man wrote before the war, but also after World War II. He was blinded in a city street by Antifa, by Antifa, I think in late 1960s, and later died, I think as a result of that attack. Antifa in Europe has been used as foot soldiers, informal mob of the leftist establishment governments to target right-wing intellectuals, right-wing writers like that. And I think that same happened in the United States. in the United States. Antifa become the Basiji militia of the DNC, of the left. The children of waltz and of the previous waltz,

Tim Kaine, are Antifa. I think Pelosi's son or daughter, too. In any case, many children of prominent dems are Antifa. The equivalent would be if some significant percentage of United States senators from Republican side had, you know, were marching in Charlottesville or something insane like that. It just doesn't happen on the right. They are, again, very much police their own side. On the other hand, I fear, Martin, that, excuse me if I'm being narcissistic, but it's not just me, it's you too. It's other anonymous accounts that become big prominent. Now you're going to have all eyes on you because you made a splash with this Haiti thing. There are other unknown accounts who became prominent. We all get immediately mobbed on

and targeted by the media to try to come after us, to dox us. There is almost never any journalistic content or merit in the dox. They came after me. I will never comment one way or another not confirm or deny their docs, but mainstream media has tried this against me multiple times. Last summer, 2023, articles in the Atlantic on me, in Politico and other thing, basically calling me an encouragement of military coup in the United States, possibly an encouragement of terrorism and other such nonsense. And I think the purpose of doing that is what they do also to, of course, much bigger figure like Trump and others, to, they want to subject you or your family to antifa violence. Or, as in the case with Trump and this lunatic who attack him,

you know, they know very well that they have psychotics activated on their side, so they hope maybe that a psycho like this, a schizophrenic, will go after you, one of their schizophrenics, you know? But I think this, yes, that prominent anonymous accounts are continually targeted in this way also, and that that is the purpose. The other things are excuses, whatever reasons they come up with on the doc, so-called, or the expose, or when they try to do it. The real reason is to try to intimidate others, to see, hey, you do this, you become prominent, you will be subjected possibly to violence. What do you think about this? Yeah, and then the US government has a history of outsourcing this sort of thing because we do have

these, you know, the first amendment, these protections that are rooted in sort of the American psyche, and so the government cracking down on you is still, I mean, maybe we're reaching a moment when people aren't going to care anymore, but the, you know, the government, we saw that with, who's the guy who had the FBI come to his house in New Hampshire recently, It made a big splash on Twitter. Jeremy Kaufman. Yes, and he kind of was a little aggressive towards them, but he gained a lot of traction from that, and I think there's definitely a streak in the American psyche that resists this sort of overt government tyranny, right? Yes. Now the problem becomes when it's basically outsourced or it's delegated down to people

who can have this plausible deniability, and that's really how the U.S. left has operated for decades, decades. Yes. Well, in that connection, Martin, I don't want to dwell on this because unsavory subject, but you will have noticed since, let's say, 2023, it started around right before leading up to the fake Kuan Yew West campaign, but picked up since then, and most of all since the October 7 attacks, you know, the Hamas versus Israel latest bitch fights, cat fight, whatever you want to call it. And there has been, since then, when Elon took over Twitter, this faction that was not actually there in 2015 or 16, we have always, the frogs have drawn attention to, let's say, ethnic factionalism, the problem of ethnic factionalism, which includes, I will be polite, Ashk ethnic factionalism,

and the problems that this brings to United States. This is not a new topic, but these people come out of nowhere, they were really either not to be seen before or had disappeared for some years. And I refer to the whole circle of what I call, well, there are many types of collars. But these collars are people like Candace Owens, Jake Shields, SNECO. Again, normal people who are not on ex-Twitter have no idea who you're talking about. Because exactly, exactly, Martin, it's completely plausible that some nobody like Candace Owen or Nicholas Fuentes or Lucas Gage, who basically acts like a schizophrenic, come online and, oh, 40,000 retweets, two million views to say that, you know, did you know that the Jews actually invented the bikini and through

that invention are trying to subvert society. I mean, that kind is almost a parody of so-called antisemitism. It's the kind of thing someone sitting in Hollyweird office or at ADL or from a Dick Wolf special on Law and Order of what an anti-Semite is. It's that cartoonish image, and it's been pushed relentlessly since then, and these people are almost all fixated on the anons. They attack you especially. They attack me a lot. They might attack you because they think you're my friend or something. a constant, and I think it's this kind of laundering of, hey, we have to get rid or somehow disrupt radical unknown networks who might perhaps help Trump in this campaign. Let's call them Jews or Zionists and say that they are actually supporting society, subverting

the right wing and so on, and let's turn everything into a discussion of Zionism, pro and con, as if it's the number one issue in United States and the world. Now, I happen to think Zionism is silly and that United States should disengage from the Middle East. That is, I think, a reasonable position. You could convince some portion, even of religious evangelicals, of on the grounds of American national interest. I've argued this for a long time. I know you've argued things even more so than I have attacking United States misadventures in the Middle East and such, but all of a sudden these people come about during this election cycle and try to make everything about this issue And to that end, employ leftist rhetoric to the extent that they have Mohammed, Sadiq, whatever.

I don't even know what the guy's name is, some weird Pakistani. It's like, we are making an alliance with virtuous Muslims. And by the way, we are allied with the downtrodden POC of the world who were oppressed by Anglo-Jewish colonialism. I mean, basically, every left academic retard talking point that you could employ that would turn off Trump voters, that would turn off red-blooded Americans, let's say, who could maybe be convinced with different arguments toward disengagement. But I think the purpose of this, as they see it — again, not the people actually saying it, I'm not saying they're deep-cover operatives — they are probably genuine retards and schizophrenics, but the people boosting them, when you do this, you actually confirm evangelicals

in their Zionism, and you kind of marginalize the hard right by making it look like part of the kefir sporting campus left, which is completely disgusting to anybody center right or further right. I don't know, look, I've talked a lot about this. What do you think about this circle of network of colors, whatever they are, these accounts, who are making these kinds of arguments. You know, the Jewish Frankists are behind the bikini or something like this, you know. What I find interesting is that they've become even more vociferous in their attacks as Israel sort of wanes, not in the public consciousness, but becomes less important at the debates. I mean, look, we can remember back 2016, 2012 even, where Israel, you know, even Nikki Haley,

Someone like Nikki Haley is a great example where she'll get up there and everything is about Israel. Israel at this. Israel is our greatest ally. It's just the most insufferable rhetoric. And now we have someone with Trump who's willing to treat Israel as a business partner and saying, look, what do you bring to the table? Maybe we can grant you some concessions. Maybe we can play ball, but you need to be playing ball with us, which is a totally refreshing change of sort of direction. And, you know, the neo-cons, I don't want to say they've been totally sidelined, but they've been definitely, they've been neutered, they've been neutered. And so that's why I find this, you know, incessant talk about the neo-cons.

And I mean, even some people that I like have been talking with the neo-cons. I mean, look, the neo-cons, having a foreign policy does not make you a neo-conservative. There was a very specific group of, you know, of Jewish people around, what was it called, the Project for the New American Century, these sorts of things, right? There's a very specific group of people who had outsized influence for a short amount of time. And thankfully, from an American perspective, thankfully they're really marginalized. Yes. So I think in general I don't like that. Part of what's happening here is that this sort of discourse is, I think, self-ghettoizing at this point in time. because again the average American is going to associate criticism of Israel

with this sort of campus leftism this you know when they're at these rallies they're burning American flags as they're burning Israeli front flags yes and it's not one or the other it's in the sort of left-wing campus mind as in the sort of Fox News viewing mind these are tied together I don't think they are but that's how it's perceived well look I'm thinking sorry to interrupt Martin But I'm thinking, if you're Ben Shapiro, if you're Barry Weiss, if you're these kind of, let's say Hillel conservatives who are trying kind of to continue the, not just the neocon, but the mainstream conservative talking points, that's your bread and butter, that's your ideology that you try to push through your media career and so on. Who do you want as foils?

Don't you want a guy as foil who says things like, well, we have to ally with Hezbollah and Iran and this guy from Pakistan and the virtuous people, Hugo Chavez from Venezuela. And basically, the whole retinue of characters who the American conservative is already prone to hate, and then make ridiculous arguments. The one I said about Bikini is actually, yes, it's more extreme, but it's typical of the kinds of things they say. Kemal Ataturk, the founder of Secular Turkey, who I have great respect for, but Candace Owen has a whole thing on him being a Jew or something, which is very bizarre. It's not just her. Others have brought this up. Again, 30,000 retweets, 2 million views. I mean, really, are you supposed to believe that this is the silent majority of America?

Because that's what that 20,000 retweets is supposed to make you think. Oh yeah, the silent majority of America is really concerned to expose Kemal Ataturk as a Jew. And they were being previously censored, but now they expose him as a Jew. I mean, this is, by the way, a Qatari talking point. So this whole thing smells. I can't sort out who is behind it. There are suggestions basically, Martin, I don't know if you, every single one of these personages, whether it's Lucas Gage, Jake Shields, Candace Owens, Fuentes, or others, they all have some type of Israeli or Israeli-Jewish connection, I don't know if you are aware of this. Candace Owens got her start on a prostitute site, I believe, or some kind of escort agency, supposedly a modeling agency,

but really it was an escort agency owned by this Israeli. Jake Shield trained with Israeli military. Lucas Gage, maybe people don't know, he changed his name. The previous year, he had been a white nationalist, and then he thanked some weird account called Israeli Cool. Thank you for turning me from the evil path of white nationalism. Now he come back as this cartoonish anti-Semite talking about how he was cuckolded by Jews. It's very bizarre. Again, I know sound conspiracy theory, but I mean think of who has an interest in doing this, precisely because of what you said. Their whole career circling the drain because the whole neocon, Israel, America, should be involved in Middle East talking points, no longer carry weight. And Loki Julianus, I know he friend of yours too,

he pointed out, reminded me today, in 2020 or 2016, there were calls, terrorism calls made against Jewish community centers, and they were eventually- From a guy in Israel, right? Exactly, they were, The media reported on them, blamed them on Trump, and then it was revealed it was actually made from Israel, and that completely, his story got erased, oh, they forgot about it. I mean, who has an interest in promoting this? Anti-Semitism just doesn't exist in America. Who has an interest in fanning up fake examples of it? Yeah, and I remember the ADL tripled down on this and putting it in these reports they send out to these old little Jewish ladies so that they can fundraise. The ADL counted those bomb threats by some mentally ill Jewish guy in Israel as these anti-Semitic incidents

in this sort of spooky, spooky chart that they send out. But another one of these great examples is someone like, who's this guy, John Miller? This gay African, this gay Negro who has been pictured with Yair Netanyahu. He was on Jewish dating apps looking for gay sex from Jews. Like, that's the guy who's now talking about the Holocaust. I saw his ad, looking for a cute Jewish boy. And now he's like, I'm exposing the Holocaust. And by the way, did you see I have 200,000 followers and 40,000 retweets because I'm a historical revisionist. I mean, how fake is this that people believe this, you know? Methinks the lady doth protest too much in a few of these cases, for sure, for sure. It's very bizarre, Mart. And these are the people, by the way, obsessed with you,

obsessed with me, obsessed with other anons and attacking us. Because even though actually we have talked about these issues for far longer than they and made real arguments, I don't think Kanye West and his retarded followers are so-called anti-Semites, Martin. They don't even know what that means. Once you scratch the surface, they cannot make any arguments about why any of these things are bad, you know? Does anyone seriously think that Candace Owens has any sort of real opinion about WWII revisionism other than something that she saw on a very, very questionable 10-hour documentary that opens the quote from Dan Brown? That's sort of the intellectual caliber of people we're dealing with. And the knowledge is extremely surface level and can be exposed very easily in an open

conversation. There are accounts that have sort of had these good discussions, but yeah, it's laughable. It's laughable when you think about it. And I think we can be deceived, or not we, but sort of this sphere broadly can be deceived by this engagement they get online, whether it's bought it or not, but there's no substance to it. There's really no substance, and there's no lasting power to it, as we're seeing. It's not reaching, this is rhetoric that's not going to reach the Trump campaign, and it did, they would laugh it off and say this is a losing mentality. Yes, no, I believe this. I think also the attempt to focus on the religious question and to bring in weird sectarian arguments that have not been seen for decades. You know,

someone who's supposedly Catholic, even though, aside from labeling themselves this way, they evidence no actual knowledge of Catholic theology or interest in the Catholic religion. I have traditionalist Catholic friends for a very long time, 15, 16 years in SSPX. They don't recognize any of these people online and their behavior. People in real life just don't act this way. But anyway, people who self-brand this way, suddenly attacking Protestants, Martin, of all things, and tracing the evils of the modern world back to Martin Luther and like, yeah, we got to fight. We are right wing. We're right wing Catholic socialists. We have to fight the Protestants because they are in league with the Jews and the liberals. I mean, how bizarre is this, Martin?

Well, evangelicals are the strongest voting base for Trump. These are the people who— And that's why they're brilliant. And immigration is the number one issue for that voting bloc, right? And so you are attacking whether they know it or not. I think some of them do, I think a lot of them don't. That's sort of the core MAGA constituency, right? I think that is why they're doing it, because Trump needs both the evangelicals, they vote for him the way blacks vote for the DNC, 80-something percent. And he also needs the Reagan Democrats, so-called, who are mostly white, ethnic Catholics from the upper Midwest and such, he needs both, I think. And there have been repeated attempts since 2017 to try to split this and to try, I think

it won't work, I agree with you, but it has an outsized presence on Twitter, I think, because someone high up at Twitter, not Elon, but there are some bad people artificially boosting this, to try to split, to draw a wedge in between. Let's get the Catholics to fight the Protestants. get Trump to take a position pro or con Zionism, which is going to alienate or slightly alienate one part, maybe either the evangelicals or the white ethnic Catholic, you know, the Reagan Democrats so called in upper Midwest, they don't like adventurism in the Middle East and for good reason. But let's try to get Trump to take a hard position on that to alienate party. You know, it's this wedge. And do the people doing it know why? No, I think I agree.

Is that many, many, many are retards. They want retweets. They were probably offered retweets, Martin. They were offered access to meet bots or something. They don't know why they're doing it. They do it because they're stupid. But I do think it's boosted for these reasons, you know? Yeah. I think a lot of people don't understand, especially how with the ad revenue that Elon has introduced which is a cool concept on Twitter but there is a huge incentive to post things that will go viral simply because they pay you money and when we're dealing with sort of the rise of the global south the rise of you know the islamic internet all of these things um you know this is a huge a huge base of people are going to who are going to click on your posts yes and so

whether it's directly i mean i've had viral posts and i've had people reach out to me to say hey i I will pay you to put my post under your viral post. I mean, that's a very real thing that happens. I don't think people, I don't think a lot of people understand that's how it works, but there is this incentive for sure to cater to that crowd, especially after October 7th. I think it's waning now. I think we're seeing some cracks developing in that coalition. These figures like Sneako or Suleiman or whatever, they're so anti-white that it's become, you can't paper it over anymore, right? You can't even say that there's some sort of merit in their anti-Zionism. It's just, the anti-Zionism is just a subset of their anti-white hatred really.

Yes, well, this longer discussion, Martin, if you want, we come back sometime, discuss it, or perhaps on a space, yeah, because there are varieties and varieties, right? And the reason someone like Hugo Chavez is anti-Zionist is not the same reason that a wasp from New England might be, you know, the reasons are very different. The reasons are important. The reasons, I think, are the most important because they underscore the fundamental substance of what you're saying, right? Like a South African talking about being anti-Israeli, I mean, those are the same people who are basically promoting white genocide in South Africa. So that's, you know, if you think you can ally with someone like that, you're just, you know, you're either stupid or you're being paid, right? Yes, exactly.

With this very unsavory subject, let's not dwell on these faggots any longer, Martin. I wanna ask you about a different variety of pathic who the so-called HBD, human biodiversity right, you can call them, or the IQ right, if they're even right wing, but the HBD IQ commentator people, people like Richard Bonannia, Azeeb Khoon, HBDChick, and quite a few others. Monitoring bias, I think, is another one of these bigger accounts. Yes, i slash o, I think she's some kind of Asian bitch. Listen, I agree, actually, with a lot of what these people say. I agree with, actually, what a lot of the previous faggots we are talking about say. But how they say it, why they say it, and on the whole what they are, is They're about as annoying as the threads. And I'm writing an article about them now.

I want to know if you have a minute to talk about what you think about these people, you know? Yeah, I've had long encounters with these people, people like Razib Khan, who has me blocked, who threatened me quite vocally on Twitter, similarly with Hanania. I think a lot of it is these are sort of first or second generation immigrants who are very status conscious. They're strivers in their mentality and one thing they try and do is throw this meat out right this meat about blacks being prone to crime or lower IQ to try and get people on board and then once they realize okay well now people reading me are sort of either white proles or MAGA people there there's this sort of fuse that just all of a sudden switches and they want to attack those people too and I it's a very very bizarre

you know we could say it's this sort of ordeal of civility they're trying to differentiate themselves from these pro these pro white people but they're not yeah look these people are not cultured they're not well read they're not interesting people they're sort of it's this very specific personality type. It's this sort of technocratic numbers cruncher who misses, either misses the bigger picture, who doesn't understand how to interpret data, or who doesn't understand how to interpret how that data is then interpreted itself. Yes. And they get a lot of play now because of the insanity over wokeness. But I think that's somewhat misrepresented because wokeness isn't something recent since 2020. The variety that

became, let's say, blew up in 2020 does have to do with black this, black reparations, should blacks get reparations and so forth. That is true and because of that, these HPDIQ people are giving a false etiology or false origin story, let's say, of what wokeness or DEI or the leftist project really is, they are trying to say, you can get rid of it simply by spreading knowledge, raising awareness or whatever, whatever that means, about IQ differences between groups. because they claim once people realize that blacks are stupid by nature, then the argument that blacks are owed reparations because they're actually poor, you know how the argument goes, oh, blacks are poor, why are they poor? They're poor because they were exploited and stolen from, and so they are owed reparations for that,

and that if you actually teach people that blacks are, No, no, what happened? They attack your throat? Zog attack your throat? They attack, one second. Yes, that's OK. You take your time. Zog attack Martin's throat, just as we're talking about this. But I was saying is very bizarre thing, because how can you get rid of wokeness simply by saying, oh, well, black are stupid. I will get a politician to bust out the IQ graphs, you know? Yeah, and I think tracing wokeness back far, far previous to the 90s or the 2000s, sorry, they attack me, that's very important because the lineage of this stuff goes back decades. It goes back decades and decades. And a lot of these people's solutions, even someone like, who's this guy, James Lindsay,

He basically wants to go back to 2012 or 2014 or something, and that's his solution. The rot runs very, very deep. Yes, well, it runs deep, but Martin, I want to know what you think of argument, because wokeness is not merely about race, and so this IQ argument that the HPD people that we're talking about are pushing. I think very silly. Take matter of women, for example. Many men I know personally, lives destroyed, careers destroyed because of complaints of women over sexual harassment or some variety of that. I would say even most racial claims are made by POC women. POC women, it's always women who initiates some type of attack along these DEI woke-ness lines. And if you look prior to, let's say, 2020, there were also attack on white privilege, not just from black, but from, you know,

you are being insensitive to the concerns of Jews, being insensitive to the concern of other people who may not be low IQ. In fact, I think even Indians and Chinese have often invoked the problem of white racism. And so it's not really about IQ, because the leftist coalition is concerned with a narrative of white male patriarchal exploitation, and that we don't have things because the white man took them from us or introduced things into our world that destroyed it. For example, you may find people from third world countries who are high IQ, who maybe even believe in this HBD IQ narrative about black stupidity. But I'm sorry to be so blunt, but that's what it amounts to. They think, merely saying that will protect the property or the income from protected

from let's say reparations taxation, if they say that no blacks don't deserve that because they're poor, because they're stupid, not because they're exploited. That doesn't cover any part of it, Martin, because again, you have people from the third world, I've heard, tell me things like my society was destroyed by white people because they introduced the idea of socialism, or because they introduced the idea of capitalism, or of hypercapitalism, or of neoliberalism. And so it's an ideology of grievance against white men in particular, and it's not possible to deal with it just by talking about average differences in intelligence between groups, you know? Well, there's definitely a self-interested aspect to someone like Richard Banania talking about high IQ, right?

Because what he's trying to say is that he deserves to be in the position that he thinks he should be in over these white proles, because he's, whatever, he's passed some standardized testing, he's fit into some group. And yeah, the resentment aspect, and this is probably why this is an ordeal of civility for a lot of these people, because he's not going to fit in, I mean, look, the guy is, what, a generation and a half removed from some sort of third world, quasi-third world backwater. He's very keen and cognizant of the fact that his people couldn't create the civilization he lives in now, right? And so there's this aspect of resentment, of trying to compensate for his, you know, very, very meager origins. Let's be euphemistic.

I would consider Schindler List to be part of the woke movement and the demand for reparations to Jews and above all, State of Israel is very bizarre. Why should Germany pay the State of Israel when most of the Jews that had nothing to do with the European Jews even, but somehow because the rabbis say that they are the same people. Germany has to pay, I guess they do it willingly, obscene reparations to the state of Israel. I think it's perfectly natural for blacks to see this and say, we were also, we had this slavery thing, can we get reparations too? That seems to me a better origin story of what wokeness is. I was reading one of my favorite historians, Borchardt, he's widely celebrated in his native Switzerland. The Swiss bank was going to put him on a note, on a bank note, it did.

And I will show you letter from the late 1990s in which the Bank of Switzerland is responding to attacks on Burkhart by the community, calling him an anti-Semite because he said some anti-Jewish things in private letters. And the Swiss bank is like, the Bank of Switzerland, They did a very good job responding. He said, look, he never wrote about that in his public works. It's unfortunate he said so in letters, but he's a great historian. He's part of our history also as a nation. And we are going to keep him on our banknote. But that to me is a classic example of that anyone today would recognize as, you know, this woke bullshit. It's from the late 1990s. It's got nothing to do with IQ. It's got everything to do with this narrative of white, male,

perfidious, devious exploitation of the other. And whether that's Jews or women, as absurdly as it may be, Martin, women who have both male and female ancestors, but somehow they inherit only the oppression of their female ancestor. It's very bizarre. Or women, or of course now POC and blacks, it's always the same narrative. And I do think Chinese, Indians, and other high IQ groups who move to the West have the same sense of grievance. They are part of the woke thing also. It's got nothing to do with IQ. And sorry, I know I talk a lot, let me just say, and again, even if it did, you cannot get rid of these claims by, oh, I'm going to convince those people they are stupid and therefore they don't deserve reparations, you know?

Well, here's a great example. I remember this at college. I walked through my physics building, and you have all of these pictures throughout the history of the physics department of showing the faculty, right? And something strikes you very, very quickly about the pictures, right? Even up until the 2000s, it's all sort of clean-cut, white-shirted, Anglo-Saxons, Germans, whatever. And so the grievance aspect there is important because these people come in thinking, well, I need to be represented, right? I need this respect. I need somebody to sort of represent me. And when they're not, I mean, we've seen this, it's cliché, but we've seen this with Shakespeare, pulling Shakespeare out of the curriculum because he's a sexist or something.

No, the reason they're pulling him out is because he's a towering figure. He's basically the inventor of modern English. He's invented modern English literature. And he towers over these people and he makes them feel insignificant. And no amount of telling somebody anything is going to compensate for that fact. And I think that's the real motivation. And yeah, Cuddihy has talked about this as well. Speaking of high IQ Palestinians, yes, exactly. Khadhi has the best take on this. Everyone should read Ordeal of Civility. But speaking of high IQ Palestinians, Martin, there is Edward Said. I was just talking to his friend today. He, I think, Edward Said, is one of the origins of woke ideology, whatever you want to call it. when you look at his vicious attacks on Joseph Conrad,

and this friend shared with me some New Yorker article about Joseph Conrad, it's not just Edward Said, it's many other, as you say, POC, viciously attacking this man. Many of his stories are set in the global south. They are the story of adventurous, extreme characters, Europeans, who end up in the, whether it's Indonesia, places like that, have adventures. Of course, Heart of Darkness is the famous one. This really gets under their skin. They seethe about it so much. And I think the motivation is what you just said now. They know they could never compose books like Joseph Conrad. English was this man's third language, and he's, well, he's my favorite author in English. I don't know if you agree, but certainly he's considered one of the best novelists. And he talks about their societies

and the white man's destiny in their societies, it gets under their skin like nothing else, Martin. They seize about him so much. That is pure origin of so-called intellectual wokeness. It's got nothing to do with that. You can't get rid of that by showing banana IQ graphs, you know? And it ties in exactly to the concepts of, say, the British Museum, right? It ties into the Rosetta Stone, these great artifacts history that were discovered by Europeans that were completely forgotten by the locals, right? The famous story of the Rosetta Stone is that one of Napoleon's officers saw it in a wall of a fort, right? I mean, so he used it as a, and he understood immediately the significance of this piece and took it out. And there's this, I understand it, right? Because many of these

people are sort of well-educated, and so they're cognizant of the fact that their own people or or their own culture, their own society, either couldn't create this, didn't create this, or were beaten, and so there's, I think that, I totally agree, the resentment aspect towards, maybe we can say they're betters, they're superiors, or at least people who are better at it than they are, is exactly the root of this stuff. Yes, there is book, I think Orientalism, that's Edward Said's, Yes, there is an answer to that, Occidentalism, which I don't think is by a good author, but has some quite good facts about medieval Arabic, and I actually like Arabic poetry, I like some of their history, I like some of their ancient lifestyle, I don't like what

they've become now. That's story for another time. I don't like what they've become, Martin, because they've become an aggressive Ned Flanders society, which I believe all of these religions like Islam, Judaism, Christianity. They don't need to become that, but I think they have an inner Ned Flanders core, and it's just a moribund society of family men. But look, maybe you don't agree with that. We don't need to talk now. But listen, anyway, medieval Arab society, this book, Occidentalism, elucidates well, has absolutely no interest in the outside world. Zero curiosity. Same thing like you said about the Rosetta Stone. They don't care. It's them, only them, their tiny, narrow horizons of their own world, tunnel vision, nothing outside it. And of course, the white man as a European man

has always been very different going back to ancient Greece. I know I've been keeping you. I want to mention something about ancient Greece. Did you want to say something first about this? The lack of curiosity of the outside world, that extreme ethnocentrism, which I think it's a bad quality, Martin. Yes, yes. I don't have a ton to say on that other than, you know, you can even go back to, yeah, exactly what you're saying with the Greeks, to Plato. I mean, they were very, very keen to trace their lineages or their sort of the history of their knowledge back to these older civilizations like Egypt and this sort of thing. And so this desire to understand the other has always been an integral part of what it means to be a European. and understand them as they are to themselves,

not just as part of an outside or something, but understand them on their own terms. And I think that's what separates the Europeans from the rest of civilization. Yes, and has to do, I think, a lot with the Viking, to put, for lack of a better word, the Viking core of the European spirit, the fascination and lust for foreign lands. You know, it's very rare, very precious quality among any civilizations. But we've been talking some rather nasty things, necessary nasty things to talk about, but still nasty on this segment. I would like on next segment to talk more of our common interests in great writers like Junger, Celine, Montherland. And perhaps as prelude to that, I want to get your opinion. I've been reading today ancient Greek philosopher Aristippus

I encourage everyone to read The Life of Aristippus by Diogenes Lertius. He has a whole compendium of lives, like an encyclopedia of lives of philosophers, very short biographies, collections of their sayings. I find this very amusing, unrelated to what we are talking about, Martin, but Aristippus, amazing so-called hedonist philosopher, a student of Socrates, of the first generation of students, same generation as Plato, and is very interesting the way he took the direction, he took Socratic thought. I will read from this, I will read from this now, Diogenes Lertes. One day, as he entered the house of a courtesan, one of the lads with him blushed, whereupon he remarked, it is not to go in that is dangerous, but being unable to go out. And let me comment on that. It sounds like kind of,

oh, that could even be interpreted as cliche today, But really, he had very unusual takes that true self-mastery was not to avoid passion and pleasure, but to be able to wallow and get right in the middle of it and have it not affect you at all. I'll read something else, also from Diogenes Laertes' Life of St. Aristippus. He enjoyed the flavors of Lais' courtesan, as Sotian states in the second book of his Successions of Philosophers. To those who censured him, his defense was, I have lies, not she me, and it is not abstinence from pleasures that is best, but mastery over them without ever being worsted. To one who reproached him with extravagance and catering, he replied, Wouldn't you have bought this if you could have it for three obols? The answer being in the affirmative, he said,

Very well then, I am no longer a lover of pleasure, it is you who are a lover of money. But there are funnier anecdotes, such as his courtesan whore wife, not wife, girlfriend, he lived with a courtesan, telling him that she got pregnant by him, and he just carelessly telling her, well, you could no more know that than if you had run through five bushes, you could know which precise bush scratched you. And many such anecdotes attributed to him to him, seems to be a very colorful man. What do you think of this philosophy, Martin? I think you see that actually come up again in the French moralists, like La Rochefoucauld, these people saying, it's not simply avoiding pleasure, but really mastering pleasure. It's

understanding the difference between a great man having low, I don't want to say low impulse control, but a great man having passions and a weak man having passions. When a great man has passions, he accomplishes great things. When a weak man has passions, he gets himself into trouble. And so you see that sort of, I want to see you see that thread coming into the French moralists, and then you can again see that through people like Nietzsche. And so I really enjoy, I really enjoy the sort of aphoristic takes like that. Yes, me too. And one striking thing he said in the same vein is that he was asked, what is the difference between philosophers and normal men? He said, it's this one thing that when all the laws fail, we philosophers will continue to live the same way.

We are the only ones who will continue to live the same way. I find that very revealing. And it reminds me also of the great adventurers of thought and spirit I want to talk to you on next segment, because it is they, the men of, I don't even want to say they're the men of the right, they are genuine artists and lovers of freedom and a freedom of thought, and they naturally ended up on the hard right because the left is a program of human taming and degradation, this is how I see things, Martin. I completely agree, completely agree. Yes. Well, I can tell you are being called to coffee break. I know you have your... You have two courtesans there, is that right? They're calling you to coffee break. Three. Three. Yes. Yes, same here. I need my feet massaged, and this has been long segment.

I thank you, Martin, and very good. Let's take break, then. What do you think? We'll be right back. Yes. Sounds great. Very good. Back to drunk show. I am complete, almost drunk now, I hope this is okay. I'm back with Martin on discuss Haitian cat gourmet, Haitian cat gourmet show. But we are, Martin, I knew you before the Haitian thing. See, you are a wonderful frog because frog advantage is doing what you do. the humor, political agitation, Bufa type with the Haitian thing. But you have also been doing interesting translation from German authors, from Conservative Revolution and other authors. Also, Louis Ferdinand Céline, you are a fan of his. You've translated Pierre Drew Larochelle, other so-called hard-right or reactionary authors before 1950, really texts and letters

that have never been translated before. The kind of work you do is, I think, very valuable. I want to ask you, what is maybe most favorite German author you have translated? I think overall, I think Ernst Junger is my favorite, not just because he was the most prolific and the length of his life was quite extensive, but he is the prototype of the sensitive young man. Reading his interviews, even at 98, 99 years old, he comes across as relatable, I think, to us in a way that, how about this, I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example from a translation. So when he was 99 years old, he gave this interview and here's a quote, the journalist interviewing him said, basically, how did you describe school? And he said, my mother always turned off the light

when she went to bed and I would turn it back on and read novels. I became part of a society, a group of people by reading novels by authors who are now obsolete but who were fashionable back then. And when it got light again, I turned off the light and I slept for maybe two hours. Afterwards, I continued to sleep at school, which earned me the worst grades ever awarded at my grammar school. And the interviewer follows up and said, you never had a high opinion of school. In many of your writings, school appears to be opposed to all fantasy, adventure, and real life experience. And he says, bluntly at 99, he says, well, I knew more than the teachers. That was one of the problems. So I think that's such a relatable thing for a lot of our guys, younger guys who've grown

up in these systems and have kind of, they can immediately relate to wanting to read, to wanting to learn to delve into authors like Thucydides or the Greek classics and that's not taught, that's not, you know, you get the school marms, these people come in and just try to browbeat this curiosity out of you and reading these things, you immediately feel a connection, right? So it has to be Junger. Yes, no, Junger, wonderful. I love him from, I read Storm of Steel when I was 20 years old. I said, I want to die in battle. And I agree with the assessment of school. School, screw, is horrible. I remember I was in East Block, six, seven years old. old, I got nickname of Space Cadet, equivalent in English, Space Cadet, because I look out the window all the time. I hated school forever.

I've always wanted to run away to tropical place, not be in school. But I understand Junger this. I am surprised he say this even in his old age when his mind had been warped by psychedelics and religion, I'm sorry to say. well he he became you know he was very lucid right up until the end yes so these interviews are i mean he does talk about drugs in these interviews he talks about very very relatable things and i think that to me is you know there's a political aspect to a lot of his earlier writings that is interesting i don't think it translates well i don't think yes holds up the passage of time but his works like you know on the marble cliffs is a a fantastic book, Storm of Steel is great, The Glass Bees is another fantastic book. Can you explain this?

Because I think audience, you know, we know this, but maybe a general audience, not that I have. I have a select, extreme, smart audience who maybe also know. But this trend of hard-right authors after World War I, who nevertheless had very ambivalent relationship to national socialist regime. Ernst Junger is one of them. Ernst von Salomon, he is actually one of the assassin of Walter Rathenau. He wrote amazing spirited book, The Outlaws, about the experiences of the storm troopers after World War I in these organizations and so forth. and so forth, but it wasn't just them, it was many others. They had quite ambivalent relationship to Nazism, and usually Marble Cliffs is sold as a book by hard-right author who was nevertheless skeptical of Hitler.

Can you explain to audience what your take is on Marble Cliffs by Junger? I think the main thing with a book like that is Junger was this sort of spiritual aristocrat, And so the whole concept of a mass democratic movement—and national socialism was a mass democratic movement, right? It was a movement that motivated people from Hitler youth up until middle age, up until old age. He sort of had this tendency to resist any sort of political movement that wanted to rouse the masses, right? And I think Marble Cliffs is a fantastic book showing exactly that. We talked about Pierre-Drieu Larshall. He had a very similar take, right? These were people who didn't want to have politics become this sort of mass democratic movement. I think the trend largely was towards that,

but these were men who were not aristocrats, not born of noble blood but who were, you know, a sort of spiritual aristocracy and that was the perspective they came at it from. Someone like Stefan Georga, right, had a very similar, he's not part of this conservative revolution but he came out of that attitude of understanding, you know, the traditional nobility or even the bourgeois had abdicated their position, They're sort of claimed to authority. And we can replace them with these men who are not traditional noble elites, but they're still of the right. I do have a quote from Selene here that I have that I wanted to talk about. So Selene said, I think this was in Je suis partout, he said, a privileged class has no more use, no more meaning, no more life when it is no longer able

to provide the cadres for the army that is that is the criterion the only one he said it justifies its privileges by supplying officers for the war as soon as it is no longer capable of fulfilling this role if it no longer produces children or the officers it is nothing but parasitic and therefore disastrous the disaster of the 40s was due to jewishness not to the birth rate and the absconding of officers. Our bourgeoisie no longer wants to give anything and they want to take everything. All they want is profit. They've become spiritual Jews. They only think in the old. They squint at the dollar of all else. So this is the kind of the prevailing attitude of these men who grew up in either serving in World War I or right after World War I. This radical

re-evaluation. These men of the right who understood that the traditional elite has basically abdicated. They're gone. How do we fight communism? How do we fight this egalitarianism while still not becoming socialists or communists? Yes. Well, the libtard bourgeois, whether actually libtard or conservative, so-called, which is the same thing as libtard in modern times, yes, the reaction against this type, their weakness in facing down the leftist menace, this long-running theme among the authors we're talking about. By the way, I want to mention you, you mentioned Stefan George. He, famous just for audience, if need refresher, he important German author, his poetry has been compared to Pindar in type of hieratic imagery, And he ran a kind of philosophical artistic circle

in Weimar, Germany. Some of his students ended up being involved in Plot to Kill Hitler. You may have seen movie, I forget what name is, but Klaus von Stauffenberg was one of his famous disciples tried to kill Hitler in 1944, was it? Valkyrie, yeah, Valkyrie was the movie with Tom Cruise. Yes, Valkyrie, and I think they don't show it correctly in the movie, but in real life, when he was executed for attempting to kill Hitler, he said, long live the secret Germany, not sacred Germany. Geheime Deutschland, if I pronounce right. Sorry, go on, you want to say something. Well, what they tried to do was they tried to basically whitewash Stauffenberg and these figures to make them into libtard idols. I mean, when Stauffenberg was

injured, you know who talked about this, Dominique Venner in The Shock of History, which is a fantastic interview series. I always recommend it to people. He recounts that when when Stauffenberg was injured sitting in hospital, he was, you know, he lost his an eye, a hand. He was translating the iliad into german i mean that that's the kind of the caliber of a person you're dealing with here like it's a it's a totally different world and so the plot i think was one thing and there's there's younger was affiliated with it i won't say he was he was close by rommel was reading his works at the time yes but i think younger was careful to not be what's the way to say this High treason is when you work with an enemy nation to support your own, right.

And Stauffenberg, I think, was guilty of that. Junger was too much of a patriot to ever do something like that. Yes, and the movie with Tom Cruise starring as Stauffenberg misrepresents Stauffenberg as some kind of libtard who was concerned about human rights and human rights violations on the Eastern Front. That wasn't really Stauffenberg's concern, I think. whether or not he colluded with foreign powers to try to assassinate Hitler. He was a fanatical disciple of Stefan Goerge, who simply wanted a different kind of right wing regime in Germany, I think, unless I'm wrong about this. But sorry, you want to say? There was definitely overlap there, absolutely. And I think it was Stauffenberg's brother when he was being interrogated by the SS

for his role in the assassination attempt said bluntly, he said, look, we totally agree with the National Socialists on their view of race. We just think that they're doing a bad job of it. So you're not having, they really try and exploit this and try and create this bifurcation, but you're really dealing with a lot of right-wing figures who, for whatever reason, I think it's an accident of history, right? because a lot of these people either, I mean, look, a lot of people around Georga's circle did affiliate with national socialism. Yes. Some of them resisted, of course, but you're dealing with a nexus of right-wing figures who were all basically blacklisted or prescribed after the war. Yes, yes. Because the right-wing in general was attacked.

Whether they were national socialists or against it, it didn't matter. That's why these authors are interesting to me. Some of them are National Socialists. A lot of them aren't. But they've all been painted with this broad brush that's condemned them to sort of nothingness in history. Yes, and actually, I wanted to say, I didn't know this, but Stefan Goerge, the fact that he himself, the leader of this far right artistic revival that is often painted as anti-Hitler, but I don't think that's really accurate. Stefan Goerge is often said to have emigrated from Germany in 1933 because of supposed opposition to the Nazi regime, but I've seen evidence recently that this was not true at all, Martin. Actually, Stefan Goerge had a very high opinion of Hitler, continued to support him.

He went to Switzerland for completely coincidental, other reasons. He died in Switzerland for other, you know, he was already old, and he just happened to die in Switzerland. So it wasn't like he opposed Hitler as such, and it goes to what you are saying, which is that for better or worse, and I think it's because these more, let's say, anti-democratic rightists maybe didn't correctly realize that at that point in history, you did have to mobilize millions of urban workers, you had to mobilize the masses, and the Nazis could just do that better. And so they ended up the leaders of Germany and therefore also of right wing general opposition to the developments that were going on in Washington and Moscow, especially in Moscow, to international Bolshevism.

But they became the leaders of an uneasy coalition, but nevertheless a coalition of various right-wing factions. And many of these were refined, extremely intelligent men, great writers who were prescribed after the war, including the one I mentioned, Ernst von Salomon, who who I think he had Jewish wife and he was attacked because of that somewhat, but very much respected throughout the Third Reich history. And because of that, although he was skeptical of Hitler, nevertheless after the war, the Allies very much mistreated him and his wife, and he wrote this famous book, Der Frakebogen, about the questionnaire that was given to Germans after the war by the Allies, yes, I agree with you on this. Well, yeah, yeah. And I think the German figures are interesting,

but some of these French figures are even more interesting, right? Like, people like Brasilac, people like Pierre-Drie Larchau, because many of these figures were French, they were staunch French patriots, even in 37, 38. And then after the Germans obviously won against France occupied them they became collaborationists in some sense but what's interesting to me is many of them are collaborationists who didn't really it's not that they didn't uh you know like someone like brassilac went to the katyan forest right to see to see these massacres committed by the soviets and so there was this sort of broader tendency like almost this pan European tendency by non-germans to sort of ally and understand that the fight, the greater fight

here is against Bolshevism, against the sort of Bolshevization of the world. And again, these people are maligned, they're sort of cast aside from history because they threw in their lot with the Germans or with national socialism. But, you know, a significant motivating factor was the sort of protection of Europe, this understanding that Europe was under assault by communism, by Bolshevism, and so they have a lot of timeless things that, you know, they hold up. They hold up. That's just one way of putting it. Yes, Pierre Drew La Rochelle is actually a favorite of... Look, I like all the authors you're mentioning. With the exception of Celine, it should be said they are often used by a kind of rightist who is afraid of being called a Nazi because many of them happen to be anti-Nazi.

And so he say, oh, I'm not a Nazi, I'm a conservative revolutionary and so on. I know you are not that, I'm not that. But it's often used by certain kind of hard rightists to say, you know, like Pierre Drew La Rochelle, at the end of the war, he wrote something very much against Hitler, part of which may be true. He points out that Hitler was unable to form a true European coalition. He mistreated the Dutch, he mistreated the French and other potential European allies. In any case, it's debatable, but by our time, I remember, Martin, years ago, I was online, there was this small post that I don't wanna say his name because maybe he can dox me, actually. At the time, I was very naive and on kamikaze mode already, and I sent him things I had written under my real name

about ancient Greeks and such. And he is a scientist, like hard, you know, hard scientist. I think something in physics or something like this. Very small account, but very smart, and we were talking. And at one point, he unfollowed me, because he extreme, emotional, unstable. He unfollowed me. I asked him, why you unfollow me so-and-so? He say, because you reposted that thing by Pierre Drew La Rochelle attacking Hitler. And Pierre Drew La Rochelle, yeah, he's like, Pierre Drew La Rochelle is just one of these fagged reactionaries who just didn't understand, didn't understand that German-French unity had to happen by whatever means necessary, and Hitler and the Nazis were the only ones to do it, and they were the only ones who were able to take Europe

possibly into a new scientific future. And I don't know, I've always been partial somewhat to that view also, you know, I don't know what you think about that. Well, I think that's wrong about Pierre-Julia Larshall because he was, I think he was extremely cognizant of keeping Europe unified and independent and outside of the spheres of the Americans and also of the Soviet Union. And so he was reluctant to sort of latch onto the Germans outside of the fact that, look, the Germans were the strongest power and the one sort of faction that could keep them out of the hands. And you can go on to some of these essays that I've translated. Yes. And see that he said exactly this in 1941, 42, 43, that, you know, the British had basically sold the French out, you know, because again,

under this time they're occupied, and so they'd lost a war, they'd basically been sold out by by the British, largely, but still they're fanatical anti-communists, and so they latched onto the Germans into this sort of pan-European movement, which, if you read his writings or other people's writings, you know, the Germans, it's debatable whether they understood the magnitude or the power that they commanded at the time, in terms of this pan-European mentality. I think a lot of people latched onto it, you know, you had volunteer divisions from all sorts of European nations to fight in the Waffen-SS, and they fought in the Waffen-SS and they were specifically told they would only be fighting on the Eastern front. I think that's something that's really important to emphasize.

They were never allowed to fight in the West. Yes. Because again, the conflict was against Bolshevism. It was this pan-European outlook against Bolshevism. There's a lot of minute interesting divisions in between that, but that was sort of the drive that led people like, you know, of Brasilak, led people like Lucien Rebetet, led people like Selim to all sort of throw in their lot with national socialism. Yes, by the way, this account I mentioned, I think he's Belgian or something like that. I will send you after the show. He's very interesting guy, always post science thing. But to talk about the odd man out, because many of these, even the ones who were executed at the end of World War II as collaborators by the French. They were somewhat skeptical of Hitler for kind of,

but Celine was not. Celine was on the opposite side. Apparently, I love Celine. Celine is, I think, number one author that must be promoted together with Nietzsche, Junger, and Mishima, because Celine will cut out all the faggots, Martin, you know. Like Celine, there are many leftists and such who could be, pretend to be interested in Nietzsche, but Celine just cuts them all out, you know. So, Celine. The voyage to the end of the night is just, it's a fun read. If anyone's never read it, you have to read. It's fun, it's humorous, it's irreverent. It's, you know, it's stabbing at all of these orthodoxies that we have, you will laugh. You will laugh, it's a fantastic book. Yes, I have friends who enjoy his subsequent book, Death on Credit, more than this.

It's even more cynical, but please tell audience for a moment before I tell you what I had in mind about Celine, tell audience for a moment about this amazing book, Journey to the End of the Night. I remember, well, you go on, tell audience. Think I mean, I think the funniest bit is right from the beginning where he's recounting, you know, it's sort of semi-autobiographical And all of these great authors at the time are writing these semi-autobiographical tracks You know even someone like Thomas Mann these other people but he basically talks about how you know, he's sitting at this bar and he's drinking with his buddy and This military parade walks by and he he's so he's so fired up he's so energized by it that he goes and walks and he walks with them all the way to the

to the recruitment office and he gets signed up for the military and all of a sudden he sobers up and goes Oh, I just you know, I just I was so fired up. I just joined the military and he's not really a soldier, right? He he kind of has this very cynical outlook on the battlefield He has this really gritty descriptions of of shooting at people, but it's this sort of ironic distance that makes it very, very funny. And then he'd become doctor in Africa. It's a kind of anti-bildungsroman, you know? Yes, yes, exactly, exactly. It's a fantastic book. I totally recommend it to everyone. Yes, you can say A Journey to End of the Night is a kind of twisted take on French-German type bildungsroman. I like his extreme cynicism about modern society, and I highly recommend if you are in touch

with any young people and so on, I was briefed in, let's say, academic or college professor type thing. I remember young students, even leftist ones, who had come into contact with Celine, be immediately struck, impressed by him, would say things like, oh, he had extreme negative cynical view of modern society, but, and then they add wistfully, oh, but his solution was quite fascist to that. But I think that's on credit even more cynical. The bureaucrat, the second city bureaucrat, he say this about Saline, and I think complete true, that he just completely reject all modern moral convictions and Celine is the right way because everything needs to get dragged through that mud of cynicism. Whatever comes out the other side may be valuable but nothing needs to be respected

of whatever came after 1789 or 1800, including the restatements of fake traditionalism, which I think Celine would have just had complete contempt for these faggot religious conservatives, you know? Absolutely, absolutely. Yes, but anyway, Celine was opposite of the types we've been talking about, which is like, oh yes, Pierre-Drullain Rochelle and even Junger and Ernst von Salomon, they were somewhat skeptical of Nazis or Hitler, but Celine was on the opposite side, right, Martin? Apparently, he met Junger in Paris, And he incredulously told Junger, why aren't you just bayoneting the kikes in the street? And Celine went to Berlin in 1942, and he came back raving that Berlin was still run by the Jews. Is this correct? I mean, I love this. I think this is true. Yeah, yeah, it is.

And I think what's funny is that Junger talks, in his journals, I believe, maybe it's a couple interviews I've translated as well, where he felt a kinship with Pierre-Dre La Rochelle because they had, he basically saw that they had looked at the same church in some sort of trench situation they were in in World War I, and they had been facing each other, and they had this sort of comradeship in the trenches, whereas Celine has, you know, he was this sort of anti-war almost figure, Whereas Rochelle and Junger recognized each other were warriors. They were warriors, but they were sober warriors. And they understood... I mean, Junger has this great anecdote where he says that the people furthest from the front line in World War I were the most bloodthirsty and filled with the most bloodlust.

People facing each other and fighting on the trenches, they were kindred spirits. Yes. Right? They had this socialism of the trenches, this cohesive nature, whether they were British or not. In some of his earlier political works, he understood there was some Nietzschean aspect to this, and you can find those on my subs deck, which is a very niche thing. But he talks specifically about facing these people in the trenches and knowing, Look, it's almost like the better side is going to win and there's no sort of personal animosity or hatred, which is a very interesting perspective because the people he said back at home were the most hateful, they were the most invested in this sort of personal animosity, whereas the soldiers at the front, they were kindred spirits,

whether they were British, French, Canadian, American, or whatever, they had us bombed. Yes, it's very interesting. I think that Junger, Storm of Steel is part of the curriculum of books suggested still to American officers in their education. I think that's true, no? I think it's true, yeah, yeah, I think it's true. And have you seen the new version of, it was German film, the Remarque book about All Quiet on the Western Front? Have you seen it? I have not seen that. I've heard that's a faggot book compared to Jungler's Storm of Steel because, you know, hand-wringing about the horrors of war and so on. Yes, and I think the movie is well done, but it's very anti-war. And I think maybe Jungler later in his life regretted some of the portrayals of the war. He famously said that, you know,

he quoted Marx saying that is there heroism? in the age of gunpowder. It's hard to say, right? But I think that's false. I mean, look, industrial war has happened now in Ukraine, Russia. And I think all friends should stay away from volunteering for that nonsense and go instead later into African and Indonesian style nonsense with much less risk. and I will join you in that and be happy to dine that. But yeah, getting blown up by a Russian missile in Lviv, Lvov, is entirely stupid. On the other hand, when you read the account of Ernst Junger, which in very much industrial war, World War I, or what happened to Max Beckmann, the famous expressionist painter, who described his experiences in World War I, that he was running around on the trenches, on the field, being told to charge,

and there were charges, explosions going on around him, shells exploding around him, and he simply didn't register them. He felt almost no fear. It was almost like a dissociated aesthetic observation for him. There were and are always people like this who are not experienced, let's say PTSD, in the same way as other people. And I think actually many frog or many online autist people would experience war in this aesthetic way, Martin. You can even go into people like, so an interesting fact about Junger is that he joined the French Foreign Legion as an underage person. He forged his age. And he was sent to North Africa. He basically was like, I think I made a big mistake. And his father pulled some strings and brought him back. And then as soon as he brought him back,

he immediately enlisted as a volunteer in World War I. That's insane. Wait, his father actually managed to get him out of? I didn't know that was possible to get out of French foreign legion. He was 15 or 16. I can't remember. and he enlisted in the French Foreign Legion, and he was sent to North Africa, and yeah, he basically said, I made a mistake. I just want audience to know, you can't do that. Maybe a younger father had some very special string to pull, but French Foreign Legion, French Foreign Legion reserves the right to hunt you down in whatever country you desert to or run away, they will find you and bring you back and put you in jail, you know. And they have agreements with foreign governments to let them do that. So it's a grueling, what is it, seven-year term?

I think it's seven years, no? I'm not sure at the time, but this was 19, I wanna say 13. It might be right before World War I, because as soon as he came back, he enlisted as a volunteer in World War II, or World War I. Martin, would you join French Foreign Legion at the age of 20 and get sodomized with a toilet plunger in the public bathroom by a lieutenant, a sergeant from Antibes, yeah. I think the racial composition, let's just put it that way, was probably a little different back in the 20s. Yes. But people like Siegfried Nüller, right? Like these sort of mercenaries who went and fought in Africa, this is more of a perspective that's interesting to me. You know, they went and they could achieve glory. What you see in Ukraine and Russia right now,

the combat is so over-technologized, right? I mean, these are people who are, everything is drone warfare. It's almost like they've taken the individual aspect out, so yeah, yes. Well, people claim that small groups of individual warriors now will be able to use warriors is such a stupid term. It's still industrial warfare now, though. And the claim is that small groups of soldiers will, excuse me, they attack me, they'll be able to use drones to defeat larger armies and that drones is the force multiplier that will bring the individual back to modern warfare. I don't think there's much evidence for that. That's a different matter, though. But look, I've been keeping you for a while. Before we go, I did want to ask you, if you don't mind, you have on your substack,

which I will post on my Twitter account, tell audience what your substack is called so they know the translations. I know you say it's niche, but this is very important work I think you do. What is it called? It's called RussianCosmist.substack.com. Yes. it's mainly sort of these figures, right-wing figures, who have been sort of thrown into the pile of discard based off of what happened after World War II. And so these are figures who are interesting people in their own right, not just politically. I think there's some serious merit, literary merit, for many of these people, and so... Yes, smear associations with Nazis. Of course, when you get to someone like Brasilak, who was shot as a collaborator, that's always hanging over him.

But it even hangs over someone strange like Stefan Goerge, who is maybe one of the greatest German poets of all time. But outside Germany, he is tainted with this thing of, oh, there are some Nazi associations. But, look, now that we mentioned your substack, on there you discuss this man, Condillis. I don't know anything about Condillis. I'm interested in the things you've posted about him, especially as regards matter of his genealogy of thought and such. Can you just give audience a brief statement on this author, Condillis? I don't know anything about him. Yeah, so Condolis, he's a Greek guy who went to Germany, he basically went native and became German. He was extremely influential, and this is a way to tie him, and I always do, he was extremely influential on Paul Gottfried.

So Paul Gottfried's works on multiculturalism, politics of guilt, on liberalism, Condolis I think is the sort of figure in the background. without getting into too much technical detail, Condolos is basically trying to situate intellectual thought in a way that is inspired, let's say, by Carl Schmitt, by Reinhard Kosslek, and showing that the way people use words I'm trying to not get too technical here the way people use words is polemical and so when someone is trying to Well, let's talk about the bourgeois, right? The bourgeois people, you know, they're basically rejecting and rebelling against the aristocracy. And when they adopt something like, let's say, free speech as a polemical concern, they don't mean free speech for everyone.

They mean free speech in a concrete historical situation that's going to gain them concessions from the aristocracy. Yes. And so you can't simply adopt a term like liberalism or democracy or free speech without understanding how that concept functioned with the people who were living in that situation and embedded concrete historically at the time. These are not simply platonic forms, right? These aren't disembodied concepts that have no historical reference, they have no historical concreteness. concreteness and so yeah I mean he is a niche figure but I think he's extremely important in terms of getting away from these very abstract genealogies right people love to do this sort of we were always these crazy liberals or Martin

Luther you know Martin Luther is the reason why we have gay rights or this sort of crazy genealogy and and Condolous is a very sober sort of scientific reminder that the way people use words in 1500 or 1600 or 1700 is, you have to understand that that's not the way we use the same word today. That's maybe the simplest way of putting it. Yes. Actually, I hope I'm not keeping you, Martin, when having nice talk. But it reminds me of what you say now. I am reading this book, I will talk it on future episode by Holub on Nietzsche and antisemitism, Nietzsche and the Jews and so on. And very famously, Nietzsche fulminates against antisemites, wants them all shot, hates antisemitism and so on. And so by modern people, where antisemitism means what it means in our time, that's often taken,

oh, Nietzsche was very friendly towards the Jews and he hated what we think today is antisemitism. But this book, although it has many faults, I think it does a good job of showing, well, no, not really, actually. When Nietzsche talked about antisemitism, that word meant something very different in his time. It referred to a concrete political movement, and he despised them for reasons that had nothing to do with their opinions on the Jews as such. And in fact, he held views that today would be called antisemitic, And he, even according to his friends, you know, Overbeck was one of his lifelong friends who said, well, yeah, Nietzsche hates anti-Semites, but actually it's because they don't go far enough. He's actually far more anti-Jewish than they are.

That's completely misunderstood today. Anyway, I don't want to touch sensitive topics, Martin, but yes, it just goes to what you're saying, you know? That's exactly, that's exactly true. And showing how people in the concrete historical situation used the term anti-Semite, right? I mean, Nietzsche was reacting against this sort of socialist, you know, people basically consumed with resentment. It was a totally different outlook and mindset, and so if you don't understand who he's replying to polemically, then you're not going to understand the context. And I think the one thing I'll say about Condolis is that he's trying to get people back to saying, look, you have to understand the conflict between the people who are talking, using these concepts,

and we take for granted that these words have this sort of meaning through history, and they do, but the meaning changes, the meaning changes based on who's using them, And you can't just take for granted that they've had the same meaning 200 years ago as they do now. Yes, of course. Look, I very much agree with what you're saying because I do think a search for truth is trans-historical. There are timeless truths. It's possible to access them. Your views are not determined by your political system or your historical era or horizon. I believe that. but on the other hand, what you are saying is also true that when people today look back and they have very facile understanding of what a word is or, and then get complete warped image of what a past thinker may have actually believed.

And since we're talking about Nietzsche, here one special example of how historicism, so-called helps you access trans-historical truths because before Nietzsche, the thinker, for example, Theognis, was assumed to be just someone who gave moral maxims that had no necessary continuity between each other, so basically practical life advice. And in fact, by the classical era, let's say, late 400s, 300s BC, Theognis was seen in ancient Greece itself as, oh, it's just this guy, he's giving us practical advice for how to live and so on. But that's only because his actual, the continuity of his works had been lost, even by ancient Greek times. And so Nietzsche, using the kind of historical attention to words that you are talking about, Martin, and philological attention, he, in our time,

actually reconstructs a more accurate vision of what Theognis, Theognis was a poet from Megara, from ancient Greece, of what he actually meant, and even some of the ancient Greeks had. He places together, excuse, I drunk, so I eating my words, but he places together his various works to reach a complete literary picture of what Theogdis actually meant, and he had a complete vision of life that was very reactionary against ancient Greek democracy and so on, but this was even forgotten by ancient Greek times, you know. I think it's very interesting what you're saying. There's no necessary conflict between history and trans-historical truth. You need to know detailed historical thing to reach the true meaning of an author. Sometimes, sometimes, you need that.

But look, I've been keeping you for a long time. Do you mind if I ask you, do you like this author, Monther Land? I like him. He's very much part of the biome, let's say we're talking about now pre-World War II and post-World War II hard right authors. He was, I think, blinded and later died because of an early Antifa attack in the 1960s, but he was a reactionary French author. I highly recommend to audience the book Chaos and Night about a leftist radical Frenchman, excuse me, not French, Madrid living in Paris, a radical Spaniard living in Paris, excuse me. Do you have any thoughts on Montherland? Well, he was definitely affiliated with this sort of French right in the 20s and 30s and 40s. People like Chateaubriand, people like Lucien Rabotet.

And again, these are all people who we need to basically look back to and see a sort of a spiritual kinship with. Not because of... I think the political is almost superficial, but there was this sort of spiritual aspect of understanding this conflict with modernity while still being a figure of the right. And I think, you know, people like Celine, Rochelle, all of these people are part of that nexus. And so, yeah, absolutely. Yes, Monsterland is known for book Chaos at Night, but he also wrote the most anti-woman book of all time. I don't know if you like this author. I love him. I love him, Martin. I don't know. I know you like, I don't know if you want to talk to this. You are a married man. want to talk this personal detail, but Harry the monster land, he attack women where it hurts,

you know? No comment. I have no comment. Yes. Well, look, on that, because I know that maybe you are under attack, but I much thank you for coming on show, Martin, and I hope you come come again, and I send you congratulations for basically winning Trump his second term, but the timeless matters of people like Montherland, and Junger, and Celine, I think are more important even in the end. And I think maybe you come back sometime. We talk to them in more detail. What do you think? Yes. Yes, absolutely. The political thing is topical, but what's more interesting to me is the cultural history, right? Burkhardt or people like that. That's what really gets me excited, so yes, absolutely. Yes. And the mix of high culture and low culture, this explosive mix, this is frog mix, Martin,

and you're doing it perfectly. I think you should continue this. I should continue this very good. High culture and working class punch style, I love this, I want to continue this. You continue this. What do you think? This very good. Absolutely. We're going to keep going. We're just getting started. No, this is frog style. This is old frog style. Very good. Look, we are both drunk. I think I abuse Martin. Very good. Thank you, Martin, for coming on show. Until next time, Bap out.