Welcome to Caribbean rhythms. This is episode 210. I have special guest on it is my friend Lucas from online He's name on Twitter if you are as hyper online or I've known him longer as schizo freck He's a writer on technology and culture that type intersection He's also an extreme powerful serial rapist of great sexual power. Welcome to the show Lucas How's it going? It's quite the intro I hope my mom doesn't hear the last part, but there's a non-zero chance she does No, you know you come from red pill community and even though she is your mother, you know that they respect manliness and manhood Lucas welcome to show but I want to Basically not talk Iran on this episode because such crazy online now But if you don't mind Lucas, I'd like to maybe give audience

since just one or two minutes of my thoughts, and then you can interject with yours if you want or you can ignore it and such. Is this okay? Yeah, go for it. Well, it's because maybe less than a week ago, I had other episodes where I told people it would be a mistake to start Iran kinetic action, whatever you want to call this intervention. And not only has since then, Mr. Trump started war in Iran, but has given a speech that I thought was a terrible boilerplate speech that could have been compiled by artificial so-called intelligent language models based on 2004 boilerplate about Iran interventionism. And it was all about regime change. And I said on last episode that everyone elect Trump 2015-16. I think I have been his supporter since he announced, a very loyal supporter.

So I think I have credibility to say this, that it's not what anyone voted for Trump at the time for. In fact, it's the opposite. He came to say he will not do regime change and will not further interfere in Middle East. And I want audience to know that even if this operation is very clean and a clean win with minimal casualties, actually there have already been some casualties, American soldiers, I don't know how many, but it is said three, to me that's much too many. But even if it had been zero, I want to remind you that when Libya intervention happened, that was a clean operation, no American soldiers died in that. I actually think United States was dragged into that by its European allies, and I don't think the European allies experienced any casualties either.

They bombed the country and Gaddafi was overthrown by rebels and sodomized and who knows, maybe they ate his entrails as per – I don't know, but basically Libya is, despite that so-called clean execution, a great disaster. It's something that's still harming Europe, the consequences of that. Besides being, I believe, a kind of crime against nature to have a person like Hillary Clinton overthrow a man like Gaddafi who took over his country at the age of 28 and is a natural wolf, a wolf man, a natural kind of king man who kept that country together. Now, the same does not apply for Iran. I don't like the so-called mullah or whatever, they are these decrepit old men who are oppressing indeed the Iranian, the Persian people for who I have a lot of respect.

Nevertheless, the point is it's not even about the execution. What happens now is mostly not in your control anymore. And the big objection really in the end that I have to it is that it's a big gift to people who are not Trump supporters. It's a big gift to, let's say, the Daily Wire crowd, that whole thing, the pre-Trump GOP, that whole biome. They've always hated Trump. They've hated his supporters. They hate me. They've tried to dox me, to get me deplatformed, to possibly, I think they've tried to sic Antifa on me. I don't want to get now in details and so forth, but it's not merely a personal story. More generally, they've treated all of Trump supporters that way, and they keep getting these big gifts, and meanwhile Trump supporters get, from this particular thing, even if it

turns out great, we get nothing. Tell me what the advantage is. They come up with this convoluted story about China. Excuse Lucas to go on. I am ranting now, but I must do this. They go on a convoluted story about China and this is about outflanking China. Let me tell you something about China and oil from Iran. The idea is that China gets oil from Iran. It's Iran who is dependent on China, maybe, not the other way around. I think Iran exports 80 percent or something like that of its oil to China to escape sanctions. But China's import, I think, is only about 15 percent total. Their domestic use is under 10 percent. Again, don't take my word for this. I consulted different so-called LLM, whatever. I did not do deep research myself. I don't want to pretend.

But they're pretty good search engines. Regardless, let's say what I told you now is true. What happens if Iran government get replaced, the successor government will still sell oil to China. You know, it's just the argument is that China would no longer get a discount, right? Because right now it buys Iranian oil being under sanctions at the discount. I'm sorry, I don't see how something like 10% domestic use, oil supply, not getting it at a discount anymore is a huge blow for Chinese economy, then people forget in this whole discussion that United States already owns the seas and could cut off oil supply to China, not even just around South China Sea, but quite farther away if it wanted to, and China could do very little about it. So I don't know.

I don't want to get into too much swamp convoluted on this argument, Lucas, but basically, even if that were true, it's this whole posture where you worry about America facing down its so-called geopolitical rivals when Mr. Trump does not have control over the United States government, when United States government has for some time not been organized in a way where you can have a coherent, centralized, continuous foreign policy and even talk about geopolitics in that way. Major reforms would be needed, and I'm not sure Trump has the mandate or ability to make those reforms. So to me, this is all huge insult to Trump voters and supporters since 2016 who want him to attack this matter of mass migration, yes, first of all, but I think even somewhat

But more upstream of that, Lucas, is the discrimination against intelligent white men, especially in America's top institutions where what's happened over the last 20, 30 years and accelerated over the last 10 is process really of ethnic cleansing. There's no other way to describe it. And that's not being addressed almost at all. And I think it really is the driver of these supporters of Trump for a long time. I mean, what we want him to fight for. Because if you had, let's say, fair hiring, fair so on, when you look at Dubai, they have mass migration in Dubai. I think that's a mistake, by the way. I don't think that the Emiratis long term will profit from that. But the people of the United Arab Emirates want that because they are supreme in their

country and they don't want to do their own shit work and there are other places in the world to some extent Iceland even that's like that the people are very well off they don't want to whatever clean roads so they import even Cape Verdeans I think they're making a mistake but that's their choice they are supreme in their own land that it's not the case either in West Europe or especially United States where white men intelligent white men have been essentially relegated to second citizen status, and this is an outrage even from any liberal right's point of view definition that could be taken head on. And to see that neglected in favor of these foreign adventures that are very questionable and that are gifts to people who would oppose Trump and oppose us every step on the way

on fixing these other more serious problems, this get me a little angry, Lucas. I had to get off my chest. I hope that the operation, so-called, will be resolved very fast. That will amount to, let's say, inconsequential raid, that people will forget it in the way they forgot about the Soleimani raid. I said nothing really when they did the nuclear thing. I think I said maybe that should not be done either. But it doesn't really have, again, to do with even the consequences or execution. It's the principle of it that matters the fact that he's giving a gift to people who hate him who hate me and hate us Sorry to repeat Lucas do you mind that I went on this rant? No, I mean you got to do it

And I'm not the one to say anything about Iran. I have I honestly have no idea what's going on with any sort of like Geopolitical war scenario. I've been totally checked out of all that stuff Like I was very checked into the whole I like the situation between the DOJ and anthropic not the DOJ, sorry, the DOD slash DOW, I guess they're calling it now, but the war stuff was very much so like, I wake up to some text messages from my parents being like, we're at war. And I'm like, Oh, and then I just ignore the situation for six hours. That's probably healthier. I will try ignore it too. I mean, listen, nothing may come of it. People always freak out over these foreign interventions and they turn out to be raids that peter out.

I get a little tired of it is and it was that ridiculous speech about regime change and so forth and But I'll try to ignore it Lucas and not comment on it further However, I will say I will say though the fact that it's I ran like I ran is very culturally interesting because like in college I had a probably a straight year where I only dated Persian girls There were a lot of Persian exchange students to our university for whatever reason and they were all very nice very like there was a time where one of them brought me back like a whole like carry-on full of like Persian dates like Iranian dates which are like they're just the best they are they rock I've never been able to get them anywhere else yeah and the flip side of that is like the guys Persian guys were like the

bane of me still to this day are the bane of my existence and I think they've been driven like completely schizophrenic I don't know what your experience with Persian women has been mine has been that they may be the most manipulative women on the planet like very nice feminine etc but like extremely hyper manipulative guys. I think evolving to deal with that, like the constant fear that the woman may be trying to snake them in some way has made them genuinely schizophrenic. And if I look back on like every business blow up that I've ever had, it's probably like 50% of them have some Persian or half Persian male at the core. Well, I'm not surprised, they're very shifty to remote antiquity. They've had this reputation, the treacherous oriental, but the women are famously beautiful.

I've heard it said that the three most beautiful women types are Persian women, the women of Tahiti and the women of Sweden. I don't know if you agree with that rating and no, I've never been with a Persian woman myself, but yes. Do you agree with that rating, Lucas? I have no idea where Tahiti is. Swedish women, they seem good, but it's like, I've never been there either. So I'm going off of like internet pictures or whatever. I guess I've never been to Iran either, but I did know a lot of the exports and they were, they were good. They're very good dancers. They're like very graceful and whatnot. But they have women, beautiful faces, but I wanted to ask you, well, we can come back to this and actually on this episode, Lucas and I will focus quite a bit on the woman

question and the gender problem, which doesn't seem to ever go away. In fact, it was the beginning of this so-called new biome, Lucas, with the artiste and rouge before 2010, and it's still not passé. It's still, I think, the core of it. It's at the core of the so-called incel problem and other such things, but let's come back to this. mind describing for audience because I'm not sure on it myself. I completely agree with you on Iran by the I slept through the beginning half of day. And then as I found out, let's ignore that. But listen, anthropic, meaning Claude, AI, LLN, versus the Department of War, whatever it's called. Can you explain that controversy for audio? I don't understand clearly what's at stake that

or what's happening. So it's a little tricky because nobody has the full picture on this one because a lot of this is dealing with conversations between like what I consider to be two not super reliable narrators one is like you have the department of war which is like a lot of these people like uh like anthropic is going to go and they're going to be talking about features like oh like you can use our models in this capacity right and I fully believe that at some point uh a sales exec or like an account exec from anthropic has talked to some military guy and they've like accidentally fucked up something and confused everybody about what these things actually do because like the idea that we're even having this discussion about whether or not

Claude can be powering like uh autonomous drone systems is like ridiculous because opus 4 6 cannot power autonomous drone systems like it can maybe do a part of a thing that may be a grand like overarching drone system but like it can't actually do the thing so this is like when the department of war comes out and says they wanted to use our models to use to fly drones autonomously to kill people or something it's like this doesn't make sense your models can't do that right now and i have to assume this is either like a malicious lie on the part of anthropic or a grave miscommunication between the two parties uh and it's the same thing for the uh for them saying oh you want to use our technology to spy on the u.s citizens like one of the people from the DOW just put out a statement,

I think like an hour ago, saying like we asked if we could use your model to perform a search on LinkedIn and then additionally search a public database, right? So it's like, you could say this is spying on US citizens in some capacity, right? Like you could describe it that way, but you could also describe looking someone up on LinkedIn as doing surveillance on US citizens, right? So I think that Anthropic has, I think they spurged out a little bit. I think they sort of like, they tried to get ingrained with the US government in a way that would allow them to have the ability to say what, like what the Department of Defense effectively can or cannot do. And then the DOD was like, no, fuck you, dude. Like I'm not going to let a bunch of like tech nerds

tell me whether or not I can like shoot down a missile approaching us or like whether or not can like carry out this operation this if it's legal i'm going to do the thing yes but uh sorry go on well and then i the problem is that the ceo of anthropic then went out and did like podcast interviews where he's like oh like the dod is asking all they're asking us to kill you they're asking us to spy on the american people and if we can use our systems to do autonomous drone weaponry defense systems and like it this is just not how you want to be negotiating with the admin, I don't think, right? But the flip side is, I've heard friends say that Claude is actually especially bad at anything visual and this kind of holistic integration of various elements and especially with visual data.

And so I don't know then from the other side, from the Department of War side, what they're talking about either, because when Peg Seth comes on and talks about Drones being run with Claude, you can't do that, any significant aspect of it as far as I know. Yes, I mean, I think the thing is that we've been using LLMs throughout the government for just like basic admin tasks for a long time, right? Yes. And I don't know necessarily, I don't want to come out and say that Hegseth is like an idiot or whatever, but like I don't- Well, my friend said that, you can say that. I just don't know enough about Hegseth to even feel comfortable saying that, but based on what I've seen from him and during this incident, I just think he's a little bit detached

from the primary use case of any of this stuff. And I think there's a lot of people that are being the mouthpiece for negotiations here when they don't necessarily know what's going on super well. And then Dario, Dario is the CEO from Anthropic. And like, I don't know if you've seen interviews of this guy, but like, if you just watched him you would definitely be like, oh yeah, this guy is bad. Like, I don't even know the details of the thing but like the way that his face moves when he talks the way that he looks, the way that he holds himself he's a very, very, like he just makes the hairs on the back of my neck fucking stand up. It's like the Sam Bankman freed thing where he's just uninherently, like this person has his own internal morality that like,

he would just kill everyone in the universe to make happen. And that's like, I'm not gonna say that's bad. The bad part is that you can tell by looking at him that his internal morality is like totally alien to yours. And if he had the choice, he would kill you. Yes. Well, let me ask you something. Do you use LLM language model AI to make sex story pornographic erotic literature? literature i know i know it's widely used for this no i can't i've basically just been using it as a slave to like make me a bunch of things that i would otherwise need graphics designers for because graphic designers just only respond like 30 of the time when you message them uh and make it very difficult to do anything so having an ai slave to do it has been awesome

but uh i don't know a lot of the grok actually like at some point elon allowed you to go like like not quite fully all the way there in terms of what grok can do, but like, I'll just be like making videos and it will occasionally just take all the tops off all of the women. Like you say a prompt, like I had like, make me a video of like a woman being like stolen and like lifted into the air by like a flock of giant bald Eagles. Right. And then the woman in question, it just like took her top off. Right. And then I was like, well, that's very funny. But like for the thing that I need this for, I need her to be wearing a shirt. So I said put a shirt on her and it puts a shirt on the woman but her tits are still out

like it's like a tank top and it has her tits like hanging out over the top of the tank top like fully visible like it will not allow you to cover her nipples. Well that's still possibly woke but let me ask you about this woke question. I've noticed on ChatGPT and Claude and I've used the highest tier of both and now ChatGPT is integrated I guess it's getting Claude's contracts with the United States government or Department of War, whatever, but I've noticed ChatGPT is much more woke than Claude. I mean, it's much harder to get around ChatGPT's moralist safeguards, you know, am I wrong about that? No, it's definitely, I think it's actually more woke than Google's model at this time. I think it may be the most woke of all of the AIs currently.

Yes. Yes. Well, anyway, Lucas, I'd want to talk later about maybe this AI question and the Silicon Valley type of person out of which the artificial intelligence thing has come out. But I want to ask you before about the woman problem. Can we come back to that? Because because it not going away, right? And I- Do you want my thesis on why it basically cannot go away now? Well, yes, this is what Lucas and I were talking about earlier, why everything essentially get reduced to this, but go on, Lucas. So I think that basically what we have here is that we have realized that the situation between men and women is like a zero-sum power game where one has to take from the other in order to gain it, right? I think like this idea that we're going to like come

together and form some thing where like the pieces are greater than the whole or like, I think people now just hear that and they're like, this sounds like a scam sold to me by someone who's trying to like extract some value from me. Everybody largely thinks it's zero sum. And so you have this situation where all of anything that happens in culture gets distilled down to men and women having a take on it that advances the interest of either themselves or their team, right? And it's like, you can either be like an actor for your side where you're like doing explicitly, like if you're a guy, like explicitly pro male propaganda, or you can be like a defector, right? Like you can be like, we all, we have our various terms for like coons effectively, right?

Like you're a male feminist or you're a pick me, right? Like a girl who goes with the guy side is a pick me, male feminist is the opposite. And so everything comes down to this because people have realized that like this actually does meaningfully change culture and social norms. It's not like if all of the internet is just a bunch of feminists yelling and guys are like, oh, gender discourse is gay. I'm not gonna engage in that, right? Then you wind up just having this torrential cultural outpouring of pro-female power that results in a huge wave of feminists marching through society. And you can see the opposite with the Andrew Tate stuff, right? Everyone's like, oh God, the impact of how did this happen? And it's like, it's just like a natural response. Like when things get bad enough,

people start doing self-advocacy in these ways. And it just is going to go forever. Like I don't know how it can stop. Like it's literally like built into the internet at this point because the internet is so effective a propagation tool for these cultural norms. Like, you know, when they introduce that feature on Twitter where you can see where somebody's account is from and then you go and like you see whatever shitty like dating take that has like 150,000 likes, right? you click on their profile and you click on where is this fucker from and it's like they're just from Nigeria or like Indonesia or some stupid shit and then you realize that actually like American dating norms have been getting fucked up by like random Indonesian bot farmers

for the last like 10 years right like well look I don't know I think they try to reproduce content that they mimic, you know, they mimic stuff that they see getting made and do well for mothers. When enough American girls see these things, they start thinking that it's like normative, right? So the fact it's not even like this is some like botnet of like Indonesian farmers trying to do like an operation where they change American cultural norms and destabilize agendas. It's literally like this random like bot farmer who just wants to make money accidentally kicks off a domino stack that results in like all American college women believing that it's normal for like a guy to pay $2,000 to you on Valentine's Day or something, right? No, I see what you're saying. But look, I don't know.

Are you saying... I want to go to break soon, by the way, and we come back, talk this more at length. But are you saying this leads to intensified warfare between the sexes, or it's just a matter of internet consumption patterns that don't map over it to what happened in real life? Yeah, I think it's basically that none of what happens in real life matters compared to any of this. Like, we've already totally subsumed. It's like the video thing all over again, right? Like we realized a long time ago that people don't form their beliefs about reality from reality or like going outside. It's like 100% from what do you see on the internet? What do you see in movies? Yeah. And it's just that again, right? So you're saying online has taken over, it's taken over from real life?

Well, online has taken over, but I think the thing that forces people to do this is that actually like, and this is also why like, this is also why like the incels noticed first, right? Like, and I don't mean that in like incels is like a drug. I mean unironic incels, like men who could not find sex, they always are going to notice society's problems first, right? Because they're like on the tail curve of like, if there's problems between the genders, they're going to be the most affected, right? And then gradually more and more previously isolated people will experience this problem. And so they were sort of like the canary in the coal mine for all of this stuff and... Yes, in fact, well, listen, there's much more to say on this, we're having much fun talking

many things at once, but maybe let's come back, I need a quick break, I need to take Ram so I can, my mind clear, and after that we continue, Lukas, because I must, I think we must delve into this, the gender sexual problem of modern post-internet life. What do you think, we come back, talk this? Yup. Very good, we'll be right back. We are back with Lucas and we are talking the so-called, I think it's called foid problem but I call them harpies and inheritance and at their best their main ads they are cannibal they were they were they were cannibal witches for Dionysus that's at their best when they are inhabited by forest spirit at their worst I think what they become today in especially anglo-sphere countries and and some West European countries,

hyper-conscious, self-conscious type of calculators who are actually, I think, extreme materialistic. But let me get to that in a second. It's just, Lucas, we start talking on last segment about this problem between the sexes and the woman thing. It's so pervasive that you can approach it from almost anywhere. I don't know what interests you, what interests me. What interests me, the other day I was at a cafe and I've noticed over the past two, three years phenomenon in Madrid especially where in the nice parts of Madrid the women are really all eights and nines and sometimes I'd say even tens. It's not just my other friends I've had who visit think the same and certain other European capitals, and you frequently see a very, very beautiful woman with a very,

I wouldn't even say plain, you know, they were called herbs, if you remember, in artiste H, you know, like herb, like butter, herb production. Yeah, like herbivores? Well, I think it may come from that, but it's this kind of man who, when I say this online and people assume I'm talking about Timothée Chalamet, that's absurd. No, Timothée Chalamet is a handsome movie star. I'm not talking about, I mean, that's another mistake. I think when people think that a strong man must look like a mofoggin powerlifter and have a beard and this, that's not what I mean at all. I think maybe Leonardo DiCaprio young and Timothée Chalamet are near some peak of male beauty. And of course, they're famous, which I'm not talking about.

But you know what I'm saying, these kind of men who look complete erased, it's not even like dork or nerd style from, let's say, Hollywood movies from 80s or before, they're just complete, I think, neck beard, but many other bad qualities. Have you ever noticed that there's like a split in the lifting disciplines where all of the bodybuilding and physique competitors are always right wing, and then all of the the power lifters are always left-wing. And they'll get into these weird things where they'll be like, they'll see like a dignity to like neglecting upper body aesthetics. They're like, yeah, like I love my leg day. I don't even do curls. I come in every day and I squat, man. And the old, what kids today are calling the old truths is very common with you have a man over 30 or 40

who does what you just said and grows a beard and talks about functional strengths as, I'm more fucking wholesome. I'm not like those gay bodybuilders. And they usually hate younger men, and that's a whole other aspect of the disgusting condition between the sexes today is the hatred that older men have for younger, and constant attempts to sabotage them. We can get to that in a moment, but look at- I will like to say also on the functional strength bit, I've always found it fucking retarded that anyone would say like, like, yeah, like I have my functional strength, bro, And it's like the function of strength is clearly to like look cool and have people respect you and want to have sex with you. When is the last time that you have had to deadlift

like a car to like save a woman or something like that? Versus like, when is the last time a woman has had sex with you because she liked your arms, right? Like which has more functional utility to the average man's life? Like is that very clear? Yeah, the whole thing about functional, obviously ancestral environment has changed so much that I don't even know what would be called functional strengths, let's say, in paleolithic times, when you find corpses, I'm sorry, wrong word, bones, skeletons, where the femur, the thigh bone, was so powerful of paleolithic specimens that's far beyond any modern athlete. So idea that you can lift a little extra deadlift or, you know, and scratch your lice-covered beard. But listen, I want to tell you this scene I saw

because you know where I'm going with this, but just the other day, and I posted on this, this always get huge engagement, you know, that's why people touch it, but it touches nerves, anything relating to this sexual value or whatever you want to call it, but the couple I saw were so mismatched where the girl was maybe not extreme beautiful face but perfect body and could have been, let's say, body model or in very high-class pornography or whatever you want to call this beautiful girl. And the man she was with was so mismatched in terms of looks that I thought at first it can't be. It must be her brother or something, but then they start getting kissy-kissy in public. I was astounded, but I mean, I shouldn't have been. I've seen it so many times. And there's this

This notion that when a country has that dynamic, constantly you see very beautiful women with ugly men, that that must be a wonderful thing. It must be a market for men. Men choose and it must be favorable. It must mean civilizations working well because those men must have some other worth that society is rewarding with the attentions of these women. I don't think that in these modern countries, that that's what's going on at all. I've talked too much, Lucas. I have my own theory about that, but to you, I have an opinion. I'm interested to hear why you, like what you think the problem is there specifically, cause like I've always thought that there was something kind of weird about that, but I didn't have an idea. But what I wanted to say is that that is the classic example.

Like when we talk about all this gender discourse and stuff and how everybody feels like they have to have a take on anything, the classic example is like a mismatched couple, right? If you have a couple where like the guy looks hotter than the girl, then all the girls have to come out and say, no, this is fucking normal. Like this is, they're looks matched, they're looks matched. Cause they're, they're trying to say that the woman is hotter than she is and that she deserves more than, than she does. Right? And if it's the opposite, all the guys come out and say, oh yeah, like the ugly guy is actually looks matched to the hot girl, right? And every single gender culture post follows this exact same model where you basically have the women coming out and trying to push the Overton window

of like what female standards should be, and then the men doing the exact same on their side. And it is just this forever. Like there was that conservative female influencer who came out and she did some like ridiculous cheating mumbo jumbo, right? And then all of the women have to say, well, let's not focus on the cheating, right? Like it's actually a problem that we're even discussing the cheating. We should all be looking away and ignoring this. and she's like, it's just improper that you would even discuss someone's life like this and whatever, right? And it's just, they have to try and run cover because if they can create an environment where you cannot be criticized for cheating or doing anything in any capacity or destroying marriages or anything like this,

then it's like women have won. They can do anything now, right? So they have to make the gambit for it. Yeah, I think what you just said now gets core of matter that things have never been so good for women in so many societies around the world. Really, they've won totally and completely. And well, that doesn't mean that they're happy, but they won this struggle. And I think dynamic I presented is part of that because when people think beautiful women with ugly men, they immediately, oh, it must be a situation like China or like existed before where the civilizational system is functioning properly. The man offers provision and stability and is rewarded for having civilizationally stabilizing virtues. He's a good worker or a good engineer or such and you obviously, you do want society

where productive engineers, smart mathematicians can be happy, home life, domestic life, you can get a beautiful woman, and so forth. But I don't think that's what's going on in many of these countries. That system broke down actually some decades ago, and that's not why these women are paired up with these men. It's a complete other thing, Lucas, when you have a woman choose a man as a pet, essentially, or because she herself is somehow emotionally or sexually dysfunctional, full of anxiety and fear, and so she chooses a so-called boyfriend or husband who is from her social circle. She actually doesn't usually sleep around as much as people imagine anymore compared to, let's say, five, 10, 15 years ago, and she hooks up, or so to speak,

actually just pairs up with a man from her social circle who's safe, who will obey her, who will not make it feel like she might be abandoned for for another woman and so on. So it's when they choose men like this out of neurosis or insecurity is a different matter. I don't think it's good for either side of that deal, actually, or for society at large. I have more to say about this. But what do you think about that? So it's like the classic thing where you have it's I think every guy who's like lost weight while they were in a relationship, or like shredded up, like done like a cut, right? Yes. Has experienced the thing where your girlfriend starts getting really like insecure over it. And obviously like, whatever, not every girl or whatever,

but in many cases, if a guy starts losing a bunch of fat, now you can see his abs and it's like summer and he's going to the beach and like random girls are coming over and being like, oh, like I'd love to like rub sunscreen into you. like, uh, girlfriend starts going crazy, many such cases, uh, it would make sense that the same thing happens at a broader scale, I guess, with things other than just body fat. Yes, I've seen several societies, well, I don't want to exaggerate. You mentioned, uh, a beautiful man with a plain girl or even an ugly fat girl and I hear that's very common in United States now. It's so, oh my God, it's insane. And it's almost always a, like, uh, it's it does really just boil down to like an insecure dysfunction on the part

of the guy too like whenever there's like a massive disparity between the way that two people look I I totally agree with you actually with what you were saying now because like I know all the guys or sorry all the guys I know who are dating someone that is much less attractive than them I the first thing that I thought when I saw them was like wow that's really fucked up like it's weird when you see like a girl with like a much less attractive guy but it's much more unusual to see a guy who looks way, way, way better than his girlfriend. Like that's like super unusual and fucked up to see in person, at least for me where I'm at. And all the guys that I know like this are just like Omega insecure and they have some like weird cope about like her personality or something like this.

But like if you see these guys interact with women, they almost never chase very beautiful women, right? Like they're almost always guys who just kind of settle down with the girls who like aggress them super hard, right? Like if the girl pursues them hard enough, the guy will eventually just allow himself to like fall into the thing. Like he is kind of like AI. Well, I have to say that the United States is especially difficult case, right? Because nationwide, I think 40% of women of all ages are obese now or 30%, but actually overweight, you know, uh, is, uh, maybe over fifties, maybe even 60, 70%. I think they said that it was going to be like, but by 2030, it's projected to be something like 50% will be

either overweight, obese, or overweight or obese. And I think there's like additionally more that will still be like super obese or whatever the extremely morbidly obese. Very fucked up. I have not been to United States in some years, but I remember chubby girls appearing Manhattan the early 2010s already, but my friends in New York say that it's actually tolerable there and that outside of New York it is absolute disaster apocalypse in United States. And so there are maybe a few locations, let's say New York, microcultures maybe in Los Angeles or Miami where you can still find a good, you can go into a social biome or whatever, find a good number of thin women. But outside of these, the average comes from the rest of the nation.

And so I want audience, let's say you listening to me, to maybe consider you completely ignore these idiots who are telling you, leave the cities and move to the countryside or touch. If only for this, you will be putting yourself in extreme depression, imbalanced situation. At least go once or twice to one of these major cities to see if that's somewhat better there for you, because I can't imagine Lucas being in that kind of thing, 60% of the women being overweight, and then imagine what happens to the remaining 40% and their personalities and so forth. This is why I'm a massive proponent of all of the GLP-1 weight loss peptides. Even though it's like, what are the health effects? I don't know. we develop new drugs do they typically have some heinous downside that we

discover like 20 years later definitely yeah like I agree like Big Pharma is evil but like I have come to the conclusion that like I the problem is so bad that the nuclear option just it doesn't even matter if there's side effects like I don't give a fuck man like you can look at the you can look at the impacts of obesity on America and like not even like relationship culture whatever like the government has had a fucking what's there's a Senate committee that put together a report on this and they basically said that between one and two trillion dollars they believe is burned off every year due to obesity this comes because fat people are more likely to take days off work they are more likely to become injured during work they are more likely

to be incapacitated and while at work perform at a lower capacity they use more health care benefits so like the average worker is literally being paid like 10 to 12 percent less because their employer has to pay for fat people and the health benefits of fat people that's not including the health care like this it's just like yes there's just so much of a problem like literally all of the country is being fucking flattened under the weight of this obesity problem we now have a drug that can fix it and look maybe it fucks them up but like can it fuck them up more than they are already fucking themselves up I don't know if it's possible right like I don't actually know if it's possible to do anything that ruins your life more than like imagine being 22, 23, 25 years old

you're going through like your prime, your youth, being obese, you're this is the most destructive thing that any human can do to themselves. It's insane. Well, you are right. The distort effects of this crisis affect every part of American culture in society and not just America of course Mexico is destroyed two, maybe even more so now by this and other countries increasingly so that are, uh, you know, Spain, Germany and, and Hungary, I think outside of the capital or, or one or two major cities. Also extreme bad situation. People don't know about that. The Euro pools are, are being crushed by two actually. And it fucks with so many things that you don't even think about. Like you go and you buy clothes and all of the clothes are a shittier quality because

every clothing brand now has to maintain 12 different patterns because they have sizes from small to medium to large to XL to X, X, X, X, X, X, XL, like nine X, right? And this all takes like inventorying overhead, right? Like you go and you sit on a bench, benches cost more, like city infrastructure meaningfully costs more money. You buy a chair in the United States, it is built for somebody who weighs fucking 400 pounds. That's abnormal. Everything costs more because of fat people. All your clothes fit less well. Everything in culture is fucked up. Like all these all these fat people to like they're they're like obese climate activists. You it's an it's a contradictory position. The world literally is burning additional fuel to do everything in your life, moving your fat ass around.

You take a plane ticket, you drive in your car, like all of this burns more gas, pumps more CO2 into the atmosphere. You can't pretend to care about the climate and be overweight. It's ridiculous. Yes. I get extreme angry when I think about the death of Annie Mool to support this excess human biomass that means nothing, and well, it not just means nothing, that's terrible for everything. One other thing that come to mind now, Lucas, I'm in a special location I will not say where, let's say equatorial location, and certain frog come visit me, we having a good time, we talking. I notice he hook up here with many black girl, he already been with two or three that I've seen. This would be inconceivable in the United States because they're all, I think, female

black obesity is 100 percent or something like that. And it really has horrible corrosive effects on American society because you watch old movie. I think it's killing of a Chinatown book here. So I discussed this movie before and he talked about his beautiful black girlfriend. And now that pleasure is no longer available to any American man because, you know, they don't have they don't have they don't even know what that looked like. What do you think about this? Look, I don't know. Look, I don't know if you want to go here. I mean, I don't even know about like, like the racial obesity rate specifically as much as like all of this is a like and again, back to like the the like weight loss drugs, like I think it's just very funny that it winds up being like a thermonuclear device that

game theoretically forces like all women to take it right like they will eventually have to do this because like if you're a girl right now still it's so uncommon for a woman to be skinny in America you don't really have to take the weight loss drugs but like as they proliferate if like even 20 to 30 percent of society becomes like healthy skinny thin beautiful etc like the rest you have to do it because as a woman like the quality of man who you date, if you are obese versus thin is like, you're generationally impoverishing your offspring, right? Like you're literally going from like, this will be like a random like plumber guy who makes like 45k a year to like you can date someone who's worth like, I don't know, like multiple million dollars and he's making like 300k a year by taking

this drug like it was that big of a difference. Yeah, certainly in the United States or the premium on thin women is absurdly high. But But listen, I want to get your thoughts, Lucas, on this dynamic I've had in mind for some time. And I don't pretend to fully understand what's going on. But I've seen something happen in at least two other societies, maybe three. And I think maybe United States could also be heading there because you see frequently in United States now, quite handsome man with a quite plain woman who is, yes, usually chubby or overweight or such. And it used to be, let's say, before 2010, very few American men, let's say, were into gym culture and so on. But now many are and many look fit and muscular and good and the woman does not.

And that dynamic I've seen in some previous countries, and then there was a change. Now what led to that dynamic in beginning, it is said, the previous social contract so so-called disappeared, right, where men, instead of, let's say, advancing through his career or offering some type of, people call this word status now, achieving status, so-called, I hate that word, Lucas, for other reasons, we can get into it, but, you know, achieving so-called status through career and provisioning ability and so on, which is civilizationally solid, let's say that, but that kind of broke apart as women were no longer dependent, financially on the man, and as economic America stagnates, keeps going down, young people have difficulty since, I think, the early 2000s, even before building wealth anymore

through a career the way that you could in the 20th century, let's say from 1950 on. And once that broke down, it was said, again, I don't know if you agree with this, but it said, men then started to compete on this other ground, you know, to, you know, kind of, let's say, Africanized, I don't really agree with that word, but Africanized custom or jungle custom where the man has to compete for the woman in actually in Africa, they have to do it in terms of like jewelry and dancing and whatever. But you understand the general context is, you know, in this case through physical display and physical beauty and sexual beauty in certain other countries, this happened. And it is said that this led to this dynamic of men competing, getting more beautiful,

and then the women not having to bother being beautiful because, you see, the men are competing on that axis. And before I say what I saw happen in two or three other countries, once that was set up, I want to ask you, what do you think of what I've said so far? I mean, I think that's clearly happening. It's like also the what was the beautiful ones rat study that everyone always talks about where I think, I think the only thing that I might disagree with a little bit is in theory, all these guys are out here competing for the women, right? But in practice, I think it's actually a little bit different than that. I think we're now like kind of in like a post meta game type situation. Clavicular talks a little bit about this, and this is a sentiment that I've seen

as being increasingly common with younger guys that I've talked to, he says stuff like, yeah, like when I'm talking to girls, I kind of just stop at the point at which I realized that I could have sex with them because I've already mentally extracted the maximum validation from it and I don't really need to have sex or time rug myself out of spending additional time with them in order to like serve myself more, right? Like he's basically saying I'm not in it for the sex. I am in it to prove to myself that I could have sex with them, which is another way of saying like, I'm playing a game, right? And he's, he's like, competing against other guys in this game for fun, but the goal is not women. Women are just the point system used to score the game.

Well, I, that's a kind of shallow restatement of things I've seen. I'm not saying what you said, but what he said, which is by the way, in general, a rehash of things that were said about 10 years ago. But that particular insight, I've seen it said on forums or whatever by men who point out that the actual sex event, you're using essentially a woman's body, a hole for masturbation. The only thing that adds to that is the psychological, yes, as you say, validation, but there are other psychological salt, let's say, seasonings that both the men and the woman have to add to it for it to become highly charged, otherwise the act itself is… But listen, Marquis de Sade said this too. His characters frequently point out that the brute animal sex act does not make it for humans.

It needs the extra psychological thing, which… Well, look, I don't mean to deny the truth of that or whatever. If you say that young people are talking this now, I wouldn't be surprised. I think that's a side effect of a deeper psychosexual disorder that's at play. I think also like, I don't know if I want to say that, but people generally are responding in the way where, like a guy would say what Clavicular said, like, oh, I don't really care about the sex, I just care about this as like a point system. And then some guy says like, oh, so you're you're just gay, bro. Like you just don't like sex. And then the guys will increasingly just be like, yeah, I guess whatever. Fuck you. I mean, yeah, that that that may or may not be what that word means.

That's such a long discussion, Lucas, that that and yes, maybe audience would be would be horrified by if we open that door. So let's keep that for later in the show or for for another time. But I want to ask you though, so you have this situation in the United States for sure where the men are by now on the whole, they've bifurcated, that's another aspect, they bifurcated with a mass who don't look good at all and are themselves obese and so on, and then let's say 20, 30% or I don't know exactly what who have bifurcated in this direction. But on the whole, I would say American men are quite impressive and handsome now and the women not so much. But I've seen in Brazil before 2010 the same dynamic, not quite because the women were

not obese, they were sexy themselves and quite well kept and cheerful and could dance and had abilities that, let's say, the average anglosphere woman doesn't bother to cultivate. But the men were notably considerably better looking than the women. Everyone who visited Brazil, who commented on it, noticed that. And what happened since 2010, and I believe similar process in other societies I've heard of and one other that I visited, we can talk some, but let me just use Brazil as the example. What happened since then was a very rapid change, Lucas, where the opposite is now true, where the vast majority of men kind of have adopted Brooklyn style, let's say that. They look what would be called herb or soy, and the women now look much better than the men.

I remember speaking to many girls over time in Brazil, let's say, before 2010 and after. And I would bring up the question of sex and sex orders and so on. It's fun to talk to girls about this. And they would all say, almost a woman, they'd say the same thing. Oh, we like to date foreign guys because they're exotic to us and they're different and so on. Also, Brazilian men, they're very sexy and they're good at sex, like all the Brazilian girls would say that, but they mistreat you and they will cheat on you and they will, you know, essentially describing all the men they were with as having, you know, alpha syndrome or whatever you want to call it. And then, for whatever reason, and I can't fully explain it, Lucas, this very rapid change

came where the men are, seem on the whole, wrecked in Brazil. And the women are very beautiful. And it's, on paper it sounds you have ugly men with beautiful women, the men are winning, but I can guarantee you it's not that at all. They've somehow, proceeding from the dynamic we discussed before, they've somehow reduced the man to something very low. Overall, I mean, of course, there are exceptions always on on all sides. But I don't know, how do we think how do we think this happened? How does a population of men go from being like this is the country of like a giga chads to being like, this is soy jack nation. It happened very fast in 1015 years, actually less than 15 years in 10 years, it happened to where you would go in the nice neighborhoods and

A notable percentage of the men you'd see would have these physiques and would be good with women, would know how to pick them up, would be famously any girl you talked to, native Brazilian or foreign girls who came said they were very good at sexos and so on. And they very quickly changed from that to, yeah, being essentially soy. And I don't know if it was a racial change. It couldn't possibly be in 10 years if it was that the let's say the upper crust of men decided to get more attractive during this time period or notably so. This is what I'm saying. There was a very rapid reversal and I've seen and heard something similar in two other societies. I don't know what causes it, but somehow that alpha society develops and then the women win.

So you're, you're implying that it's not, I guess not you, but this situation is implying then that is not some situation where, oh, like if the men are in control, they'll they'll just become huge slobs and then like with the women into being beautiful. It's like, I don't think you're beautiful. You're just usually in power, like, yeah, and our socially are just tied at the hip. Yeah, I don't think Yeah, I don't think it's that the men win or that alpha or anything. In fact, if you speak with Brazilian girls these days, and you get their trust, they say the very opposite about them than they used to. They say they're lame, they're ugly, and then other foreign girls who had come here, and I asked them what was it like, and they said they had no interest in the local men.

The local men came and hit on them, and you know what they did, Lucas, I asked for details. How did they hit on you? What did they do? Did you respond to that? Did you go home with them? They said, no, I had no interest because they came and they did this goofy act. They, they, they thought hitting on me meant being, you know, smiling and being super friendly. So it's this odd thing, you know, where in 10 years, the technology of picking, go on. I was going to say, I've actually heard that as a complaint of, uh, European men when American women go visit, like when I'm in a group that has like American men and women, and I go go to Europe and then we're all hanging out in like a co-ed thing. I've heard that from the European men that they all get pissed off when the American women

like try to like hit on them. And they find it very tactless and graceless because they don't like do like a romantic, they treat them like buddy buddy, like we're trying to be friends. And then like you talk to the girl to make sure like, wait, you were actually trying to hit on this guy, right? And she's like, yeah, like I wanted to fuck this guy. And you talk to the guy and he's like, it was off putting. She was treating me like one of the boys air quotes like her brother or something like it's really weird like it's not sexy uh yes well american women are famously not sexy to foreign men i'm sorry to say i mean they will hunt them for sport and of course some are good looking and so on but but they will all say that sex ores and so on is

awkward and bad with american woman i'm sorry to insult american women listeners the two who subscribe to my show i've i've heard uh i don't it's it's just a very weird thing where the complaints are usually like things that you would hear about like an autistic man. Yes. Lucas, I have a bare bones intuition that's hardly a thought out theory and it may be completely wrong. I don't know what leads to this shift. It may just have happened in a place like Brazil and maybe the two other examples I hear of. One is in Spain, but there are actually two Two other examples, one in East Europe, one in Asia that I hear about that could or could not be true. Maybe I'm falsely generalizing, but what I'm guessing happened, let's say in the Brazilian

case, it's possibly something dark where that male society developed and then things became bifurcate, I don't know, to a level where maybe the vast majority of men decided it It was impossible to compete and gave up or something like that. But that wouldn't explain why the women become so beautiful. I don't know. And yeah, the bifurcation happens. There's still a minority of men who, let's say, would keep the old physical culture. I suspect that they reap great rewards. But the women pair up with these herb men, as they do in Spain, and I can't imagine that those herb men, even if they're not getting cheated on, that that is a very nice relationship. I mean, to have a woman be with you because she's afraid of men or something, because

they're either physically afraid of men or they are, let's say, so emotionally afraid of being abandoned and cheated on by, you know, that they reject the alpha male thing. It will never leave you no matter how like ridiculous or shitty or yes I don't know what you think this it's it's not quite well thought out, but but it does seem sociologically Unusual case no. No, it seems really weird It also seems like kind of intuitively true Like I would just die like it doesn't make sense to me that like you feel really powerful and self actualized in your relationship And so you become like an ugly fat bald piece of shit like that doesn't make sense to me Like whenever I feel good about myself, I generally tend to become like fitter, healthier, like do more to not look like a piece of shit

or be a piece of shit. Yeah, I never thought about that. Like, I mean, like everyone has this idea that like, oh yeah, like I guess maybe women do this though. Like this might be the, this might be where it comes from is because like, you know, guys will get into like a relationship with a girl and like once they get married, she just like stops caring, right? Like she just becomes like a fat pig. Yes. Look, this dynamic can be explained in other ways, too. Maybe it's SSRIs and antidepressants. Who knows exactly what caused this? But I'd like to discuss more on other segments. This is such a topic we've barely begun to mind, but we're 40 minutes into this segment. Just before we go to break, I want to bring up one other example.

A friend recently told me when I complained to him about these matters, I'm telling you now, and he say, oh, I have a friend who had a roommate, that roommate had a girlfriend. So it was basically, his roommate turned into a couple where the girl basically moved in with him half the time or more. And inevitably, against his will, he would either see them, have sex or hear them or maybe hear reports. I don't know how he knew the mechanics of how they had sex, but he was convinced that there was no way, for example, impregnation could take place based on how these young people were having sex. Like basically, they don't know how to have sex in a way to lead to fertility in the first place. This is the funniest theory ever. Like everyone's always talking about like

the fertility rates and like, oh, why are they so low? And it's like, it can't really be explained necessarily just by dropping sperm count or like T levels or anything. Saying that it's actually like a mechanistic explanation, like people have lost the ability to fuck is so funny. Oh my God. Well, it makes, yeah, it makes some sense if it actually, well, let's come back Lucas because such a big discussion and I don't want to mix up ideas and words just by vague resemblance and make mistakes. What do you say we come back and discuss these phenomena some more? Yeah, for sure. Good. We go for a quick rum break and we come back. Very good. Yes, welcome back to show. I am here with Lucas. We are talking endlessly fascinating matter of

breakdown, the relations between the sexes and the evil, the evil of the woman. And Lucas, obviously something happened say from 1970 to now that constitutes breakdown relations between men and women. I'm sure people can come up with all kinds. It may be, I think, quite a bit older than what people think. It may have roots in 19th century and before, but regardless, let me just say what you mentioned on last segment regarding the zoomers who are maybe unhedonic when it comes to sex. Maybe they do not enjoy the act of sex-ores itself. This may be definition of dysfunction on some way because it is always the case that near meeting of two bodies can result just in let's say masturbatory experience using, but there

was a layer added on top, a strong psychological layer associated with it for humans that made high voltage charge, that made that extremely charged event for both the man and the woman. If that's not happening, then I don't know. I think deserve some, deserve some investigation. What, what do you have to say on this? Well, I've heard from a lot of the younger people that I've talked to that like, they'll do these meetups where they either meet someone from like X or from like a dating app, like Hinge, Tinder, et cetera. Yes. And they're like, wow, like I was shocked by, and this is both guys and girls, both of these parties will say this, it's like, I was shocked by like how weird and awkward the other person was. Like they were actually, they seemed so cool and like,

they were very cool, talkative, and they seemed personable over text message. And then I met in person and like their body moved sort of like robotically and they couldn't really talk or maintain eye contact. And it's like, we are now just optimizing for text-based communication over dating apps as a species in a way that probably just sends birth rates to zero forever. Well, I think, sorry to change subjects slightly, it may be that computer mediation deepens dysfunction, but I found encounters very boring, and so I hope it's not too much information, but people like salacious details. So I will tell you that I found the soul of a woman to be very dark, that to amuse myself, I have told them stories or thing in person that there is no limit to the darkness.

In other words, they enjoy fantasies of home intrusion and cities burning and this type of thing, you know. And I guess I thought that this was Marquis de Sade, not level, but spectrum type thing. then you find out it's pervasive problems throughout and it's used and it's capitalized upon by younger people where they become basically asexual or this. I don't know what you think this. I don't know if I understand that one. You're saying that they become asexual because of the extremity of the stories required to? No, no, I'm saying that perhaps I thought I was strange thought I was strange because the act itself is nothing special, you know, I mean Schopenhauer mentioned this in 19th century, already he say you have such high hopes for it, then

it happens and it's boring and then desire starts again, but I do think at that time people had because maybe separation of the sex is still or or something like that. I don't think that explains it, though. But there was a high charge in the actual sexual act, which because it not exists today, maybe I was saying that's why the zoomers you mentioned become asexual or drop out of sexual act altogether, both the men and the women. I was just merely going on tangent to explain for myself, I found the solution where you can open the door to find out just how dark the soul of woman is, but that's not to everybody's interest, you know. And where you just run with it and create like the most ridiculous, like it's basically like role-playing, I guess in a way, but-

Yes, in a way, but they become- Yeah, but it's like you're both larping, but you're larping in a way that's plausible, right? Like it's coarse enough for real? Well, but I'm saying they need fantasies of murder to get to a level of Dionysiac frenzy. I had tweet some years ago that by 2025, they would need to be trampled by horses and donkeys. Before that, 200 rotations permitted power tool and such. Anyway, but I think that the simpler solution is what you say, that perhaps a substantial number of Zoomers just become asexual. I don't know. I think also we just like, we see too much of each other, like a lot of what we're talking about here is like, if you assume that the average woman that you have a sexual encounter

with wants to be able to imagine you like killing like 15 other people and then her, if you're like a streamer that's on live stream all day, seen doing a bunch of things that like make it really clear that you would not actually kill 15 people and then her, that just makes it a little bit more difficult for her to achieve the romantic idealization of you as like a mass murdering psychopath when you guys are having sex, right? And I think it goes the same way for guys too, right? Like guys all had this very romantic idealization of like these perfect like princess women, right? then you go and you see them posting on TikTok all day about like, why are you as a man drinking Diet Coke? Anyway, here's 10 ways to cheat on your boyfriend. And you're like, okay, well,

this has done a little bit of damage to my view of women as like sweet princesses or other such things, right? So both sexes, I think kind of might have a little bit of animosity towards the natural state of the other. And the way that we rectified this before by like separating them and preventing them from seeing every single detail of each other's lives and now we see everything and we're finding out like huh like that wasn't really good for the birth rate well you mentioned also the extreme education that women went went through to become essentially sexy for men uh in everyone is many have made this point already regarding public graces and public manners, the dancing and so forth. But I mean, even during the act itself,

you you are saying there was a process of education, some not direct, of course, someone teaching them, although, although that too, also, but, but indirect manner, yes. Yeah, like a way to, I mean, I think all of the things that were taught in finishing school were sort of, and again, like, this is a huge larp, I've obviously never gone through a European finishing school and I've only talked to like two or three people who have but like it appears to be all things that were done that would make the male ability to idealize and romanticize you as like that like perfect sweet pure princess whatever like somewhat easier right like you're making yourself like a canvas that is easier to project on to in the way that the average man wants to

do like a romantic projection without that it's like you know like this is also why like a lot of relationships fail as they get to know each other more. Like you see millennials move in all the time and then it's like after like two to four weeks, they're like, I can't even fucking sleep with this person anymore because they're like, I, I got to know them too much. Like I was, I was just not supposed to know this much about this person. I got to know them and I don't like them. Yes. Yes. Well, listen, I think it's important not to confuse the so-called birth rate issue with purely the sexual dynamics charge issue because sometimes people say, oh, it's because low birth rate is because people aren't having sex. I don't think that entirely true. I mean, I've said things on that level also.

I don't think entirely true because what stopped people from having babies going through the the pregnancy is anxiety over financial future and many other such thing, at least for let's say, middle to upper middle class people and so on in developed societies. I think that's primarily what stopping them, you know, from from that. Yeah, no. So I should clarify when I say birth rates go to zero, I'm basically using birth rates as like an esoteric metaphor for desire of the sexes to like even want to like fuck with each other. I don't think that's actually why people aren't having kids necessarily. I think it's just making them like others. I think it's too concurrent problem, but maybe both might have ultimate truth in some type of anxiety.

I don't know, but I would like to touch an unusual question of this Asian woman thing. You have some opinions, I know, because you and I have both recently lived long times in Asia, and I have my own opinions about this, but maybe you want to tell audience. Yeah, and I have to preface this by saying the way that you've set me up there is that I'm some sort of yellow fever Asian lover guy, and I want to make it very clear that my problem was sort of the opposite. I went to Asia for work, and I wound up realizing there that I'm like, Oh my God, like at first at first you get to Asia and you have this idea that wow like these women are really like uh they're taught to be like really graceful and feminine and all of that stuff and then within

like a couple weeks you're like wait a second this is the most transactional country in the entire universe for like continent uh in the universe for relationships like uh there is I do not believe in the concept of like a ride or die like Asian girlfriend like all of these relationships that I saw like the girl was like hyper aware of the men's like status and net worth and it's like if the guy if the guy loses like a lawsuit with his business partner and he goes from like net worth to like net worth minus like 30% it's like she's out the fucking door in like years two months like she's just gone I and this this is like distinct from I mean Western women will like believe you if you're a loser but they almost like don't have a

conception of your net worth as expressed as anything other than just much you're willing to spend on them, right? Whereas Asian women actually have a quantitative understanding of the value of your total assets in your bank account and they're pricing that in. It's just so bad. I don't know if you saw something similar when you were down there. Well, I think the materialism of women is maybe their most unattractive quality. I know the focus online – I'm sorry, they're doing something to my brain which interferes with the signal of how fast I talk to you, Lucas, but I'll try to speed up my talking. A lot of focus online is worry about women's sexual past and whether they're sleuths or such. I think women's materialism and stinginess and grasping, the grasping nature, is much

more unattractive. Not only in the way you just said, where it's maybe in the back of their mind and they're constantly judging you, but maybe it doesn't come out in moment to moment. But there's extreme, unpleasant materialism of women, very much shown moment. They do not have conception of I think anything higher than material comfort and material rewards. I've I've noticed this. I don't know what am I exaggerating? Am I exaggerating this? This becomes very obvious in dealing with women of any race. I don't know. I think the big thing for me with like spending time in Asia was seeing that like all of these things that you would describe as problems with like American like all the American women are so bad and evil or whatever.

Like it was actually like a bajillion times worse with all of the Asian women, just maybe in ways that you like wouldn't notice. And so they highlight like the problems that you would see elsewhere in like a really super obvious way. I think, I think something that really did make it different though, was that like, I kind of question whether Asian women, if they can love, like the thing that's always said about Asian people is like, oh, like they don't do abstract thought. Like only the white people can do abstract thought. uh and this is it's like somewhat true like if i find myself in a conversation where i'm discussing like a bunch of weird abstract conceptual mumbo-jumbo it is usually with a white person

uh and the asians just don't find this interesting or they won't engage with it for the most part yes uh and i think this gets towards the nature of like romance right like i think so much of what romance is like we were talking before about needing to project like a romantic idealization and onto someone to love them. If you cannot do that, I question whether you can actually love. Like I think so much of what love is, is that weird romantic idealization that exists as like an abstract concept being projected onto someone. And if you cannot do that, then what are you doing? You're just in some sort of like a roommate friendship situation where it's like they're doing a business deal with you or something. And that is what made the whole thing so weird for me.

there was just so many ways in which it felt like they were faking and like the classic thing of like Asian women making the really bizarre sex noises I eventually wound up just being like dude like uh this this entire thing is happening because these people can't even like feel pleasure and they're trying to like they're trying to mimic what a person who was experiencing pleasure would sound like right explain for audience what you mean about the sex sound of Asian The classic meme screening shit where it just sounds like somebody's like stabbing them with a knife and they're being tortured. I'm not going to do it because it's a family show. I stay for the longest time in Japan and then less so in the overseas Chinese cities.

But the Japan women and Japan people in general are different from other Asians. You see huge qualitative in Japan, just people are always dressed much better and stand up straighter and have much better public bearing and manners. And so, you'd think that someone from orthorexic, let's say, Bronze Age holdover culture like the Japanese woman who takes posture classes basically from since early use and has very attractive public manner that takes her value over other women at least two points, I'd say, than her biological worth as such would be. They are not actually great beauties in the face in the moment and so on, but they have this allure. And then the objection is, oh, you look at the birth rate and it's extreme low in the cities. And so the question is, are people having sex sores?

But I think the answer is quite a number of people are, quite a number of Japanese are. They do not have prudishness of any type, really, like they do in, say, the biblical West. They are very pagan in that way. Actually, maybe all of East Asia is, am I wrong on that, Lucas? But then you add this other element, I'm just doing the one hand on the other thing. have this other element where there's something extreme fake yes in the and in the moment you look in the oval eyes I guess what what shape is that it's not oval but that the dark East Asian eyes and you feel is it and nothing behind it is this what you're saying I yeah I don't uh I don't want to be too stereotypical about it but I I wound up like I mean even the Japanese like I I hear people say that the Japanese are a unique outlier

and I'll grant that there's something that I missed. But honestly, Japan tilted me the living fuck out. Every time I've been in Japan, I have damn near gone fucking crazy because- Why, what's happened? It is just the unironic lack of freedom compared to America. Everything is so rules-oriented. The biggest thing for me is that I am used to, in America, I can get anything done if I want to. I can either talk my way into something. I can bribe my way into something. I can bullshit my way into something. Like there's a way that you can accomplish anything if you have the desire. And in Japan, it's like you can actually hit these fucking infuriating walls. Like I went the first time, this was the thing that like I always use as the easiest story. I wanted to go to the gym, right?

So I look up like five gyms that are by me. I walked to the first one. I'm like, do you have like a day pass? And just like, no, like doesn't exist. And I'm like, I will pay you like an exorbitant, I will pay you like a two month fee like it's an inexpensive gym for this one day and they're like no I'm sorry like the rules don't and you're like okay so you go to the next one and like just keep getting no and no and then finally someone's like so I talk to the manager and I think we can do something and I'm like awesome fucking based let's do this man and then they're like so if you watch this three hour training video then we can let you use the gym today and I'm like dude I'm like I am like three times the size of every single person in here like

I want to interject and tell the audience that Lucas is a genuine, handsome Thursday bodybuilder and I think you face-fagged, Lucas, that they can look this up. I just want to assure the audience. I'm verifiably jacked IRL, bro, and I'm in there with these Asians and they're telling me that I have to watch a three-hour training video to use a shitty fucking hammer strength chest press machine. There isn't even a way that I could kill myself with this. Even if I sued you, I don't go here, bro. I have no liability. You truly have nothing. It's just the rules. It's the rules always. You want to buy something. If you're a foreigner, if it's above a certain value, you have to go through this process and show them your passport. It just drives me insane.

I can take about two weeks of it, and then I have to go back to America, man. Well, of course. I think three months is maximum anybody can take, but I mean who's not from that culture, but I don't know if you ever did get to use gym in Japan, then you discover their shoes. There's a bunch of Asian bodybuilders. They're pretty big. Oh, sure. No, but I meant the shoes. You can't come in with the shoes from the street. You have to change shoes. Then if you use bathroom, you have to put something on top of those other new shoes to you see this kind of thing. But I think an excuse to repeat to audience if I've said before, what you said just now is true. The image of a Japanese man abroad, I think is false. What is the image?

It's not hikikomori or otaku, I don't know what the hell the image is. I think the image of all Asians abroad, I think that Americans are not as nuanced or sophisticated enough to have an individuated image of like a Chinese person versus a Korean versus a Japanese guy. It's literally just all Asian guys are skinny nerds and they study coding and they fuck bad. Like that is the perception. That is a substantial minority of Japanese men who are not like that at all and who are very samurai handsome, I would say. And they are in the gyms and they're in their sports teams and they're in also daily walks of life. I would say that on the whole, Japanese men are more handsome and manly as men than the women are as having the corresponding attributes of women.

I agree, actually, I will say, like, because when I was going around Japan, most of the time it was during COVID stuff. And so you have the masks, right? And in Japan, you're looking at Japanese women and you're like, Oh, my God, they're so beautiful. And then they take off the masks. And you're like, wow, the lower third of your face is kind of developmentally busted. I never had that issue with the guys, really, it was something Something with the girl's jaws was just not very good. Maybe they're not ewing hard enough, they're not having the hard foods at first. They had a strange mixture of, they say Jomon, but I think it's island hopping Polynesians mixed with Northeast Asian. I don't know. It's not always a happy mix.

But then you have this other place, Taiwan, which I hope you don't mind talking. I've stayed in Taipei a bit. I found fascinating, but it's a mix of people from all over mainland China, right? I know you have some experiences with them, and it's odd that it should be a random mix of Chinese types, and yet the women, you say, have certain features that are uniform. So there's a few very interesting anecdotes about Taiwan. First of all, there are some studies about the breast size of Asian women, right? And they determined that Japanese women have the largest breasts of all Asian women. However, when I was there, I was like, this can't be right. I've been to both countries this this has to be so then I looked up the studies

and I realized that the reason that those studies said that the Japanese women had the largest breast of all Asian women is because they do not consider that the countries that consider Taiwan to be a country or that recognize Taiwan as a country there's only like nine of them or six of them or something like that right so these studies actually just did not even look at Taiwan because the study authors didn't recognize Taiwan as a country you So my theory is that Taiwan actually wins on this metric over Japan, but we will just never be able to prove it because they can't recognize them as a country for the study. But the other thing is that Taiwan used to be a Japanese colony until the Chinese Imperials

came over during the war and basically just said, like, this is the new capital of China right now. So it's like a weird 50-50 mix between Chinese and Japanese. and there's a lot of Japanese infrastructure and there's still some Japanese cultural traditions and stuff like that, but with a bunch of Chinese energy. I personally really like, like I might not be a huge fan of Asia in general, but I really, really freaking like Taiwan. I don't think that you would like it that much. It's not like a super crazy, it's not like a cool, fun city. It's a nice place to work out of. It's very calm. It's like the Midwest of Asia, right? The Midwest of Asia, but it's a better value. Do you think China would take it soon? Yeah, yeah, and that's another thing

is that there's this sort of overarching despair that the whole area has. I should say also, I was down in Taiwan the whole time with my girlfriend who was American. And so I had kind of a weird experience going around because like your experience as a foreigner walking around as a single guy versus your foreigner walking around with your also foreign girlfriend, it transforms you into a different type of foreigner. So like people treat you very differently. Like my friends who were down there and they're just like single white guys walking around, like they see a much seedier version of the place because they get like approached by like prostitutes and all of this stuff. It doesn't really happen to you if you're already walking around with a girl because Asian prostitutes are not like,

They're not like propositioning that aggressively. We walked around large parts of Taipei. I found to be, you call it calm, I found it to be sedate to the point of dead. It was very low energy cities, how I would call, and I did not like the food. I know you like the food there, but compared to, let's say, Hong Kong food, or I don't know how food is on China mainland, but I think American Taiwanese food is, or if you go to Taiwanese restaurant in United States is higher quality of everything in Taiwan itself seemed like a bland stew. I know they love sugar, all sugar growing region and that was considered a status sign or something. So they put sugar, but it seemed to me quite bland, Lucas. So I would say that Taiwanese, I don't know if Taiwanese food is something

that I would consider to like exist. All of the food that I had in Taiwan, And again, to make it clear, I'm coming from the States, so when I compare the food to something, I'm comparing it to the US. So when I say I like Taiwanese food, I'm basically saying for a given amount of money, I can get healthier food in Taiwan than in the United States. Oh, yes. I think BAP is saying what is the overall ceiling of the food here, right? Whereas I'm like, how can I get 5,000 calories it will fuck me up the least right now. And I think he actually wants his food to taste good. Yeah, yeah. Well, that is a problem because at that level, it seemed quite barbaric. You know, famous Taiwanese. Yeah, there is no Taiwan because it's a mix of China, but there is, you know, they have their own,

you know, like three cup chicken or something. Right, when they say Taiwanese food, it's like, oh, this is like chicken on like rice. Like that's almost always what it is. It's some version of like chicken and rice when people refer to like native Taiwanese food. And so like my brain can't accept that this is like an actual cuisine just because chicken rice is like the most common dish in the entire world. Like you cannot tell me that you invented chicken rice, right, that the concept doesn't leave. I feel bad that I insulted Japanese women earlier and all Asian women I seem to insult. I need to take that back. When I said there's nothing behind the eyes, To me, that's almost, and I'm not saying this because I'm anti-racist or that, but I really did mean that when I say that,

it's almost compliment because the absence of a soul can be attractive. I don't know if that's because you project something onto it, but they seem robotic and absent in a way that's very attractive, the Asian woman, but. I don't even think it's just the Asian women. I think like you notice this walking around in like pedestrian situations in Asia. Like everybody has this idea that these Asians are these like hyper efficient calculators or whatever, but you go and you're walking around on the roads with Asians and they frequently create these like, like it's clear that they cannot be mapping the movement of several different pedestrians at the same time. They will just randomly run into stuff or like pause in the middle of like a very crowded walkway. They do it on the road too, right?

Like all the all the traffic incidents that I saw in Asia are like somebody hits a bicycle at like four miles per hour, right? Like it's not like these people are doing like Mad Max, extreme road racing. They're literally just like idling into someone because they don't notice them there. There's a very like defocused state that when they're going around in. It's very funny though you describe, Lucas, you mentioned the breast. I'm sorry to jump around to so many subjects, but what I meant to say, okay, so they have this blank look in the eye, which actually can be quite alluring, but then their body is in general, there's some variation, but in general, the body of the Asian female, I don't think so good because yes, they are not fat.

And now you say with the breasts, yes, they do have bigger breasts than people imagine and in Japan, and I will take your word, I did not, but in Taiwan and so forth. But you will have to admit that aside from that, is not correct specie, is not in many way they do not have the hip ratio and other, you know, of expected of the female specie. I don't know how you feel about this claim. I think they very frequently have like tiny, at least in Taiwan. This was another thing that just shocked me in Taiwan, actually more so than probably a lot of other Asian countries. They have very small wastes in Taiwan. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that they have like a super high waist to hip ratio like it just everything can be small like you can just have like a narrow frame. Yes.

There was not a lot of what I would consider to be like athletic physiques also. There were there were definitely this this was actually another interesting difference in the gyms. There were some like Asian bodybuilder guys that look somewhat comparable to like the guys that you would see at like an LA Fitness or like a US gym like an influencer gym or something like that. Yes. I went to probably the biggest gym in Taiwan. And first of all, holy fuck, that thing we were talking about with like the Asian rules before that was, it's like they won't let you carry around a gym bag with you. Like you have to drop it off in the locker room. And if you don't, some guy will come up and like bitch at you in Chinese. You have to wear a certain type of shoe, like you said,

like your pants have to be a certain like color and fab. It's just like, come the fuck on, man. like it's so much more infuriating because the person who comes up to enforce this rule upon you is like a 105 pound asian guy and it's just like insulting right like this it's it's the equivalent of what you were talking about before where you have uh like hillary clinton deposing like legitimate like war leaders like gaddafi or something like that uh it's just like it's unnatural and uh but the girls in there like you don't have that us like fitness influencer girl where she's like on a bunch of Anavar and she's doing all of the like squats, but also like the overhead presses because she wants massive fucking racked out delts and stuff like that. It was all just really skinny women.

This interesting, I want to ask you about the Asian bodybuilders, because you might, famously, their strongest is the calves. Is this so, or is that an old forum's mythology? The Asian calves are absolutely infuriating, because a lot of people bike around Taiwan, and these old dads, random 65-year-old men, will just have the juiciest calves of all time from biking leisurely to work 10 minutes there and back. The other thing is that Asian guys tend to, in my opinion at least, have like fucking sick ad insertions like they're almost always very very symmetrical they look very like rectangular and blocky like it looks almost like a cartoon anime mech it's just really fucking cool-looking no this is fascinating listen since we're talking on this I remember watching

movies from long ago about neurotic bodybuilder and such you you know needing calf insertions cosmetically or such because whatever they did they their calves wouldn't grow. This, I think you were telling me earlier, Lucas, about the so-called lukeism craze among zoomers and that actually they are doing insane things like smashing their jaws in in notable numbers now or something. Can you can you comment on that? Is that true? Yeah. Well, the more interesting thing to me is that, like, I know some of these younger guys and they are doing like the bone smashing stuff. But the really interesting thing is that like they're actually full sending on surgical enhancements so like they are genuinely

like taking their college loans and then putting them all into like a double jaw surgery from Italy or something like that which is like for those of you who don't know a double jaw surgery is one of the most invasive surgeries of all time because like in order to like first of all you're you're bisecting your lower mandible so you're actually cutting off your lower jaw and advancing it with it with like a metal plate, but your upper jaw is like, think about what it would take to cut off your upper jaw. Like you're basically cutting your entire face off at this point and then bolting it back on with something metal. It's like a six to 12 month recovery process if you properly recover. And you know, it's like, these are kids that are spending like 30 to $50,000

if they're getting a foreign surgery and then it's like 150 or like, so if you're getting it in the US. Uh, so like imagine when you're like 17 years old, like $30,000 was like a fuck ton of money when I was 17 years old and they're dropping this on the surgery and I was trying to think about like whether or not this actually ROI's and I think actually it's a good idea. Like I think for most people spending 30 K to make yourself one point more attractive permanently with the addition of like, there's usually a functional benefit to this stuff. Like if you, if you had like a recess maxilla or something like that, you get this surgery. Now you can actually, you're going to have like less problems with your bite and occlusion.

So you maybe you need like dental implants, like later, you're going to be able to breathe much better. So your sleep is going to be better. Everyone that I know has gone from like an average hourly interruptions in your sleep from like 10 or like 15, which is basically like apneatic to sub apneatic to like suddenly now they have zero sleep problems, right? Like they can just sleep all night and that like this matters, right? Like I'm not going to do the whole like the Andrew Hummerman like biohacking spiel but like sleep is important. You can't recover or you're mentally retarded if you're not sleeping properly. Yes, I retard when I talk to you now I have not slept well for some nights, but I will not get this sound insane to me to cut your face up.

First of all, I think so many things can go wrong in surgery. And then I what happens some years further, I imagine there could be complications. And then you talk about like height surgery too. I mean, some of my audience has never heard of this. Can you explain what it means? Yeah, so I do think that complications, I think we're getting a lot better with this now, but with the facial surgery, there is this funny thing where just like, for a hilarious portion of people, like five to 10%, there's like some degree of like permanent nerve damage, which like, when you're cutting off your upper and lower jaws, permanent nerve damage can be like, you can't feel your lips anymore, like your nose is like permanently numb, like you can't feel your teeth,

which is like you super don't want to lose feeling in your teeth because now you can like bite something, not notice that you're like biting like a popcorn kernel really hard or something and just explode your tooth. But the height surgery is fucking insane because you're basically like, you're, I mean, you're cutting your leg in half and then you're splinting it out gradually over time when you're like walking around on these metal legs and you can't like infinitely stretch your tendons, right? So if you're going to add six inches or five, any amount of inches, really. Like you cannot just add three inches to your Achilles tendon and have it like remain functionally identical. And a lot of these places will try and convince people. Like there's one specific guy,

I'm not gonna name the guy or whatever, who is used as like the model of the guy who got the surgery. And look, he doesn't even look that awkward, bro. If you see him in person outside of the videos, the dude walks like a fucking, just absolute goofball. And it is very clear, like athletic performance. I mean, maybe he was always the most unathletic person in the world, but like, he doesn't, yeah. So you, and then you're also like downstream fucking everything else up in the body too, because like, you cannot just like add an additional, like, whatever. It sounds like circus freak, you know, they use this word for a woman when she monstrously cuts up her face, we call them bogged right from the Bogdanov brothers. So it's a bogged, and that's a particular look

that whoever does too much plastic surgery converges on. That I see quite a few women around the world do that. It's very common, South America and so forth. But what about this, what you're talking now? Sounds to me like circus freak phenomenon. How frequent are these things among men? I think extremely, general population, I think very, very infrequent. But like, if you're talking about like the, like in cell lookism, et cetera communities, like when I was growing up, it was super, super uncommon for people to, like people would speculate that getting a double jaw surgery would be worth it, right? But they would mostly be too pussy to do it. But now people are doing it in such numbers that like, I've been like loosely tracking one of the Italian surgery

and surgeons pricing for the last like two years. And he's actually increased his price by like 50 to 60% in that time. I see, that much demand, eh? But listen, I mean, that's still probably a tiny amount and yet it's enough to be a noticeable social phenomenon. Of course, social attention, online media attention focuses on what's freakish and catches, you know, we want circus freak thing. But listen, if it's so, why are they doing this? I mean, can you explain for audience? I think everybody, as people are getting more like media oriented, I think there's this understanding that like, if you're going to be making YouTube videos or you're going to be like a TikToker or something like that, it's just always, you just always increase the impact of everything that you do and say

by making yourself look better. Like it actually is very hard to put a price on that, right? Especially like, you want to talk about like the value of a degree versus something like this, imagine, especially for a girl, right? Like imagine that there's a female TikToker, she's making exactly the same videos, but in one of the versions of the videos, she's one point hotter. Yeah. And it increases exponentially, right? Cause like, if you gain one point of hotness when you're like an eight, you go to a nine, right? But if you're a nine, you go to like the hottest person in the universe, like theoretically impossible levels of hotness. So it gets like a, like an average person might not have any sort of incentive to do this because like going from like a five to a six

doesn't matter at all really. Like nothing changes about your life. But like when you're in the upper echelons, it's like holy shit, you could actually become like wealthy based on this stupid little trick that you do. I see, so you're saying it's not so much to attract sexual or romantic mates, it's for the social media display thing. I think it's like the halo effect all around. Like maybe someone is thinking, wow. I mean, I did meet a guy who gave me this really funny argument where he said like, well, actually ROIs, even with women in just like 12 months of dating, because like with how hot I was before, I had to like pay for dates with girls and I had to like take them to these. And now that I'm one point hotter, the same girls will let me do fucking anything.

I don't have to pay, they'll pay, like whatever. So I'm like, my surgery paid for itself in one year of dating. Yes, I see. Well, listen, this is extremely interesting, and I think I've been keeping you for this segment quite a while. What do you say we come back for another segment after a break to perhaps talk more about artificial intelligence and certain other matters that we have mentioned before? What do you think this? Do you have time? Yep. And maybe in closing, I mentioned a theory, actually, I hope he doesn't mind me saying his name, but my friend Menaquin Onfour said this, I think it's true, but relates to what you just said about social media fame because in times before, someone like Gregory

Peck or whatever famous actor, singer Elvis, of course women adulated them, but it was seen as something unattainable, something that wouldn't affect their day-to-day, let's say mating choices or what. And it didn't play a role in their life. It was some kind of image gods from far away. But now, because of internet, and in every area of a woman's life, in her social circle, her friends, whatever their interests, they may be interested in some hobby or whatever, some niche, let's say they go mountain climbing. I know girls don't do that, but you understand what I'm saying. They're into biking, I don't know. And in every niche of every hobby, there is going to be social media influencer, not one male, but quite a few who are, let's say TikTok famous or semi-famous or Instagram,

or have some following on social media where they are, you know, some type of e-celeb. But unlike, let's say, previous Hollywood actors, these are accessible. They're readily accessible to women and women can hope for them, can hope for sex with them and relationships with them, whereas they couldn't with Hollywood stars before. And this has revealed in some way what women's most deep preferences are, because Lucas, maybe you've heard such things, maybe you've seen it in your own life. I've seen this happen. We know, you and I, we both live on internet. We know many people, et cetera. I've seen girls leave their boyfriends, leave their husbands to cheat on or to leave altogether for men who have 50, 60,000, whatever followers on whatever platform. Yeah.

And oftentimes it will be like guys who haven't even like invested into them in any capacity or met them or sent them a picture or anything. And like when I was doing that interview with Renan Santos, Brazilian presidential candidate, he was telling me that actually one of the most common forms of AI scam that goes on is like some person like an Indonesian or whatever will pretend to be like a male streamer or celebrity or something. And they will message a woman who is like married, has some source of income and say like, oh my God, like this, this happened to me. And I like, I just, I lost access to my accounts. I need someone to help me move out of the country so I can like get my wherewithals and like a huge number of these women, like give all of their families money

this indonesian scammer pretending to be like brad pitt or something right this is good this is very it's very funny to me but it's a big reveal on on what the the evil race uh the bad race of women actually is but uh but but then you're saying that actually to attain that social media fame it helps to to be conventionally or image image handsome or girls i mean just look at like the influencers that have risen to the top in basically every category and like it's just it's just clear that being attractive benefits you at this point like nobody can really uh nobody can really make a meaningful legitimate argument that you can do just as well if you're like an ugly person or like a middling attractiveness person and a lot of that is because these are

like these are women watching this right like the majority of content consumption on any short form video platform is is not men, right? So like, you can be a guy who has like a channel where you review access. There's one guy I'm thinking of in in particular, actually, his whole thing is being like an epic like tatted lumberjack guy who's like Mr. Dreamy handsome, who like talks all these technicals about like, axe heads or whatever. But you just know that a very substantial portion of his viewership is women. And it's like, it's like the the thing where girls stream video games to give guys the excuse of plausible deniability when watching them like oh like I'm not a loser who's watching like a female porn star I am an enthusiast of video games who's watching his craft be played out

right and it's like the same thing with these women where they're like oh like I'm not like a weird gooner freak I'm like learning about the technicals of like axe head design or something but like obviously nobody believes that it's much more ridiculous when you hear women say that we live in bogged world this is bogged world lucas but i must i must take quick break i think i will pour myself a glass of rum for our last segment what do you say let's take a quick break lucas we come right back yes yeah for sure very good we'll be right back because hello we are uh we are back on air and uh i needed to get a glass of rum, but I decided last minute not to. And I wonder if you agree with the Zoomer custom,

because I hear multiple people, Zoomers not like alcohol so much, and opinion divided on this, then there are millennials who say, this is why Zoomers are humorless and fucked up and don't enjoy social situations, maybe that's what we said earlier, don't enjoy sex sores. And then on the other hand, I hear others say this is a situation where zoomers are correct. I don't know where to fall on this because I do think alcohol has very bad effects on me, destroy sleep and so on. How you feel? You have a drink now or not? How you feel on alcohol? I do not have a drink. I almost never have a drink unless I'm like... Like there were a few times in like Korea specifically during like business meetings where it's like you can't get out of drinking in like a Korean business meeting, like they're

going to think that you are some sort of like dysfunctional freak or that you just hate them and that they won't do business with you. But like in general, I super avoid it because I have all the things that you listed, right? And also I have like, I've been genetically like turbo cucked by whatever the European gene is that makes you metabolize alcohol really quickly, which just gives you a hangover in like 30 minutes. So I have my drink and I have like 30 minutes of like fun, like wacky time, and then I just start getting headaches really quickly. Wait a minute. Is that the biological adaptation that Mediterranean peoples have? Italians, Jews, etc., which makes them alcoholics much less often? Is that or is that something different?

I honestly have no idea. There's like a few of the alcohol-related genes that I've seen people talk about uh i think this was one of the earlier ones that like 23 and me flagged it was like the only one that i was aware of but i don't i don't know if it's uh well i wouldn't tell you what i have there but you you get this inner uh initial euphoria which used to uh i would use to be maybe be able to write on it sometimes and so forth but then a pip pass that is not enjoyable. You keep drinking and it just makes you feel dull and slow. I've discovered lately that if you avoid food and just drink on empty stomach, you can certainly still enjoy half a bottle of champagne. I tell people, real French champagne will not get you hung over

usually, but beyond that, I think the Zoomers may be, I don't know, I think they may be correct. I think the Zoomers are just like absolutely correct or like maybe they're not correct if they actually are drinking and all of the weird social surveys are wrong. I don't know if Zoomers actually are drinking more or less. This is like a hotly contested topic as far as I'm aware of among the Twitter social scientists. I don't know what general population statistics are. Usually those are quite worthless. In certain leading, let's say, demographics, I think they are certainly avoiding alcohol and conspicuously, you know, vocally, like they think it's bad, but this brings up the other question. What was your, what's your take on prohibition, actually?

Because like, my understanding of that whole thing was that it was, yeah, I think our side of Twitter will say frequently that there were a bunch of women that wanted to get away with it because they were claiming to be beaten or something, but like most of the things that I have seen from the time period seem to indicate that there was fear over liver cirrhosis and they wanted to reduce the incidence of that. And it looks like prohibition actually did a really good job of that. And then you have this weird thing of like, oh prohibition failed because they like sold alcohol underground, you know, where you have the argument of, oh, this law failed because it didn't completely reduce the action of selling alcohol to exactly zero. It only reduced it by 95%, so it's a total failure.

Well, in general, I am for banning vices because I think only brave people should use them. On the other hand, you mentioned the Korean thing. That's also a thing in Japan. You can't really go out with people and refuse to drink. And of course, it's built into the Japanese bio character in the same way it's built into the Scandinavians. Both of these peoples are very reserved and then really character complete change when they have even one drink. I enjoy that. They become very jolly and warm and good companions on drink. Unfortunately, I think I have similar thing where if I don't drink, I become full. I kind of zone out. I cannot really talk people in social situations. And then, Lucas, this make me somewhat angry because lately I have to, excuse me,

I'm not saying this to brag or anything, but in the last two years or three years, I've had to meet so many people and I have to drink with each of them. I start to feel like a geisha, like a nightclub hostess. The problem with the nightclub hostess is they often complain they have to drink so much because with each client is a bottle, so then they puke blood in the bathroom. Now, it's not quite that bad, but I feel I'm being forced to be a geisha because otherwise entertainer girl. Yes, I don't know. Do you have a solution for me since you know so much bio hacking and and supplements? Is that an alcohol substitute to be able to socially interact with people in a happy way? It kind of depends on like what your what the benefit of the

alcohol actually is to you, you could do the goofy, like Fennadet shit, but I don't know, like the two that I, the two that I hear suggested frequently are either like microdosed mushrooms which is just like I roll my eyes even hearing it because this is such like a bay cell like uh silicon valley like meme thing like oh I don't get I don't get drunk when I go out I microdose shrooms to give me a light inebriation effect while I like just fuck you dude uh and fenibit which is like some sort of like gaba activity benzo thing that like I'm I'm inclined to say it's just not super great for you you to do regularly at all. I don't know if that would work because I don't know that the problem is anxiety. I've tried to take calming herbs and really then I start saying even less, I complete

zone out. You see, you take like passion flower, something mixed, and then you say nothing at all. But let me somewhat change subject, Lucas, because it reminds me, I was reading on internet, someone just posted this. I want to get your opinion. It is not quite related. Is this okay if I read something on air for you? Yeah, hit me. These are two notes from Nietzsche's collected private notes, so they were never published in like, he didn't publish it in a book. They are found in his notebooks from 1884, you know. So, a declaration of war on the masses by higher men is needed everywhere. The mediocre are combining in order to make themselves master. Everything that makes soft and effeminate that serves the ends of the people or the feminine works in favor of suffrage universal,

in other words, the dominion of inferior men. But we should take reprisal and bring this whole affair which in Europe commenced with Christianity to light and to the bar of judgment. That's note one. And then note two, I mean, they're numbered one right after the other. They must have been in notebook one after the other maybe. A doctrine is needed, powerful enough, to work as a breathing agent, strengthening the strong, paralyzing and destructive for the world-weary. The annihilation of the decaying races, decay of Europe, the annihilation of slavish evaluations, dominion over the earth as a means of producing a higher type, the annihilation of the Tartuffari called morality, Christianity as a hysterical kind of honesty in this, Augustine, Bunyan,

annihilation of suffrage universale, that is the system through which the lowest natures prescribe themselves as laws for the higher, the annihilation of mediocrity and its acceptance. The one side anyway, it keeps going a bit further, but what do you think about what I just read for you now? How did it make you feel, Lucas? I think it's just, I think it's just clearly true. Like I, uh, I don't know. I think we're all at the point where even like normies are accepting this idea that like democracy does not function because of the exact mechanism that is being described there and like even liberals will believe this they just believe that they are actually like the giga chads in the situation but like uh this idea that like mediocrity always bands together and there's always going to be

more people uh like no matter how you draw the lines you know like let's say you're going to go with the classic like male female divide right yeah like you're just always going to have mediocre men defecting to the female side on any issue and democracy just doesn't work now. Right. So like, you cannot take this back via anything other than what is being described. Yes. Well, what do you see prospect for this in future? Because it seemed on one hand that what you just said is true, there is a feeling there's something wrong on the other. It seemed like egalitarian democratic morality is supreme for now a century or more, and nobody can imagine anything outside of it because that alternative that I just read,

the Nietzschean one, has been so suppressed for so long, you know, is what do you think? I mean, do you see prospects of there being a non-believable… My thought on all of this is just that at some point, our rate of technological progress, Like right now we're basically limping the system along because we keep creating additional technological and capital surplus that allows us to limp society along even as things start breaking, right? Like we are able to like bridge the breaking by increasing worker productivity, developing new technologies, having like the percentage of people that are actually producing get more efficient and stuff like that. But if at some point we just stop like exponentially increasing our worker productivity or technology, I think things just break.

And you know, like maybe things don't break enough that you do like a meme reset or whatever. But like, I just feel like the only way out of this is an inevitable like meme option. Like the whole shit blows up at some point. Like, I don't know if that's gonna be like in the next 20 years or like in 800 years or something, but I am just so wholly comfortable in saying that this is just obviously an untenable system that cannot keep going forever, right? Like it's- Well, and you think advances in technology, let's say a reduction of need for labor and so on, that that's what would make it blow up? And if so- I think that basically the entire system of employment in the modern sense is just fake and gay. I think that basically jobs function as a UBI,

whereas the claiming mechanism for your UBI is that you perform some menial task that could have been automated 20 years ago for eight hours a day, just to make sure that nobody, just to make it harder to abuse the system, right? But it's not like we need AI to automate most of these things. I have seen the majority of admin work that goes on in hospitals or universities. these jobs don't exist. These are things that literally could be Python code written by like an average 17 year old kid who's like fairly enterprising, right? And when there are things that can't be just coded into existence, it's because there's like, it's like you have the epic hyperspace like electronic medical records system that is used that has like, it's just fairly difficult to interface with.

Like APIs are shitty or stuff. It's artificial friction. Like all of this could reasonably be solved And I just don't think it benefits anyone to solve it. It's like everyone asks why the government is so inefficient. Like why, why do we have all these like retarded government workers? You know, it's like that statistic that says like 60 something percent of black women with college degrees work in the U.S. government. It's because this is UBI, like government work is UBI. Like we don't even need people to do these things. We have maintained archaic systems in like fucking COBOL and other irrelevant legacy languages. Specifically, because if we update them, we will have to lay off 90% of all people. And the government exists to have that not happen.

So yeah, it's very bleak thing you say, but on the other hand, very hopeful. Tell me more about so you don't need AI to do most of it's because of regulations that actually many factories in America could not be updated with the automation that existed a lot of manufacturers in America still operate under this thing where if you want to make a part and I know multiple I know multiple like 4,000 plus employee companies that operate this way this is not like a small fucking machine shop this is like an actual big like multi-billion dollar company that does this you have a part that you want to manufacture in order to get it done you you email this print of this part to a guy who works in the machine job he prints it off and then step one of machining he goes and he takes this

paper print and gives it to the machinist and then the machinist makes the stock part like he CNCs it out or something and then maybe it needs to go get threaded so then he walks the part over or puts it on the cart with the paper print over to the next guy who puts the threads on and then that guy walks the cart over to another guy that does like surface finishing or stuff like that and it's literally all this manual system where you follow a piece of paper around and if you lose either the part or the paper it is gone nobody will ever fuck like it is truly impossible uh and you can just immediately think of many better systems to replace this and there are many better systems that exist but like they just don't like you know

like you have a big existing system uh you have to train a bunch of people who aren't like these aren't like the cream of human capital that are doing this stuff a lot of time like a lot of machinists are very smart but like the people who are moving the cart from one place to the next aren't like geniuses a lot of the time. Retraining them isn't super easy. I mean, one of these playthings that I'm thinking of literally like, you know, a torque wrench, like a wrench that you use to like apply a given foot pound moment to a nut. And they're usually adjustable. Most people, when you buy a torque wrench, you buy an adjustable torque wrench because you're like smart enough that you know how to change the poundage on it. On these assembly

lines they're like they're just they're not that smart and so you buy fixed torque wrenches so like if you need to torque three different nuts to three different tensions on an assembly line you will have three different fixed torque wrenches with color-coded handles for the bolt to make sure that you don't pick up the wrong fucking wrench yeah so america has problem low human capital, maybe because not enough, let's say, even middling intelligence white people anymore to man these these factories. They become, I hope you don't mind I say this, I don't mean to to upset you Lucas, but they become kind of hand-holding nanny operations and jobs programs for kind of low IQ minorities maybe. But beyond that, it's true that automation even before

Let's say we are not even getting to the AI thing, which I'll ask you about in a moment. But even before that, I think automation of to get rid of the kinds of inefficiencies you're talking about was illegal in the United States or was against union regulation. So it could be it's continuing like AI most aggressively is something that will eat into stuff like medicine or law or it would eat into medicine or law, if not for the fact that there exists an American Medical Association that will all come together and the board will convene and they will decide, yeah, you know, it looks like AI just cannot provide a safe quality of care equivalent to our general practitioners. Humans are still the way to go, right? And now it's just like, congratulations, like you can't do the thing. Yes. Yeah.

Well, tell the audience maybe a bit more about AI. I know you have some unusual opinions about, especially the founders of these, many of these AI systems, Anthropic and, and some of the others. Yeah, I do think, I do think all of the founders are like extremely interesting in their own, right? Like, I mean, Elon Musk as XAI founder is obviously like, like, I think he's the one that all of us would pick if we had to have one be like the guy who's running it all. like Elon's obviously not perfect, but like I think compared to like Google or Sam Altman or something like that, he's probably still better. Like Sam Altman, something about the way that he argues for himself, it's just, he convinces you of the opposite of whatever he's saying every time. Like I saw an interview,

I think it was the Rogan interview, where he's, or maybe not that Rogan, the Carlson interview. Someone was asking him about like some murder of an open AI whistleblower, right? And he's trying to explain how he didn't murder this guy. He didn't have this guy murdered. And like, I literally only heard his side of the story, right? Like I had no context going into this interview. I only heard his side of the story and he presented his side of the story so badly that I came out of that interview thinking like, holy shit, he definitely fucking smoked that guy. Like he 100% killed him, right? Which like, if you're trying to represent yourself and like an average, like unbiased viewer comes out of it, thinking like yeah he killed the guy like he killed the whistleblower yeah

like a world historically poor representative of yourself yeah and I still think that this guy is better though than Dario who is the the CEO of anthropic which like I like anthropic models the best I guess in terms of doing stuff but Dario as a guy is like I'm unaware how familiar were you with like the FTX like effective altruism scene like the Bay Area like style morality any of that stuff well i've heard about it but why don't you remind audience to me it's a complete uh moral fabrication of circular circular moral reasoning and but go ahead tell tell basically it's basically like the gayest way to reach like uh some sort of will to power uh but the idea of effective altruism is basically like you should just always be trying to do the the thing that does the most good for the world,

which sounds like, it sounds like it's one of those things like all feminism, like it's just, don't you want equal rights for women? Like it must be good, right? But it's like the Libtard naming spell where that is not actually what you get in practice because of course what they define as good for the world is whatever they believe is good and then it creates this sort of like lying system where if you believe that lying about your real goals is going to be good for the world, then you can, it's just like, oh yeah, I created a system where it's like, I don't know, wasn't there a certain holy book that did this, one of the people's things. But it's something very similar to that where you can say, well, I believe that the way that I am going to use my money is the best for the world.

So my goal number one is getting me all the money possible so that I can do the most charitable things as possible. So like, me stealing from these other people in this unethical way is fine because I was going to use their money better than they would. Which when you describe it to like, there's a lot of like online Nietzschean people who will hear that and be like, wow, that's really based. I love the way that it's like will to power or whatever. But the problem that you should have with it is that when somebody's like way of reaching like will to power is that gay, that they have to construct a framework whereby they're like, no, I can do whatever I want as long as I'm like the best, like wholesome chungus moral guy. You should instinctively recognize

that their morality is so different from anything that you would ever believe that the things that they use their power or money for are going to be diametrically opposed to what you want in your own life. And these guys are all very, very similar with this, right? Like Dario has created effectively like the most effective like LLM model, I guess in the world right now for coding and the US government was using it for a lot of things and he is trying to integrate it so deeply into the US government that he is able to like decide what the US government does via his model by saying like, Oh, like I don't want you to be able to use our stuff to do this. But like when you abstract that away, he's effectively saying, I don't want, like I want

to be able to tell the US government what to do in any capacity. And he wants total absolute control over this, and you can tell because he has a bunch of other interviews where he's talking shit about open source models and saying like, oh, I think these aren't safe and we should be doing only our closed source black box development. I don't think that these other people should be allowed to release technologies that would compete with us for free. I think people should only have access to us and our technology, which we get to control the use of. So it's just a big power grab, man. just absolute weasel scum. If you watch him on a video, you truly will be disgusted. And he's going to get totally owned tomorrow on Monday morning by the US admin.

I see. Well, I don't know. The whole thing about effective altruism sound to me is not so-called Nietzsche. It's the opposite. It's trying to search for fig leaf of ethics to put on self-interest, the same impulse behind so-called ethical slut book. If you want to be a slut or promiscuous, why do you need to feel good about it? To me, when you describe this and what else I know of it, it's just formalized the vice of the American people. Each people has a vice. I don't mean to pick on the Americans, but the vice of the American is always wanting to feel like he's a moral, a good person, and this residue of maybe Calvinist self-righteousness or who knows what its origin is, doesn't matter, but it's, I'm a good person, therefore,

and of course girls are especially susceptible to this, infuriating if you have, men frequently complain about this, you know, like she, she cheats on you or this and then if you talk to her about it, it, it try to blame it on you through a moral invention. Right. Yes. That's effective altruism is what you're describing. Yes. The, uh, I do, I do really enjoy that we've gotten to such a point in society where like, uh, guys are doing it too. Like, uh, I think a really funny wrench that's been tossed into the dating game over the last few years is that guys broadly if they like went in instead of just like having sex with the girl and then like ghosting her and then getting yelled at they're saying like well fuck I don't want her to like yell at me and bitch about me to

all of her friends like instead I'm gonna tell her like oh I'm sorry like I love you so much but like I'm feeling really anxious lately and I just don't think we can hang and you're so beautiful but like I just can't leave my house and like I'm so gay and I'm a loser and it's so scary and like when he does this, the girl actually like can't bitch about him. That's somewhat different and that may be justified. You know, you've seen the movie maybe with with Stillman, I think the movie Barcelona and the last days of disco. And in the last days of disco, the main character or one, you know, he say he tells girls he's gay so that he can easily break up with them without hurting them. You know, I go to in I think that's very legitimate. But listen, I didn't mean to change.

We can go back to this. I didn't mean to change subject from AI. I know you have many opinions of that. Do you think it's an accident that the founders of these companies, the people who run them at present generally are just dysfunctional people? And by the way, I don't want to get into it. But one of the other names you mentioned, okay, I will not say, but there could be bad things going forward. Let me just say that. But these people, please comment more on them. I know you have opinions about the Silicon Valley faggot AI creator type. I think that, uh, one of the things that is really like common with the Silicon Valley people is just the, uh, it's, it's the very classic bullying meme of like, if you look

at the difference between Dario and Sam Altman, it's very clear to me that Dario has basically never been punched in the face in his life. Sam has a very healthy fear of being punched in the face. You can tell he's almost been too raped and he's too scared of being punched in the face. But Dario is very much so the nerd that has the delusions of grandeur and it's not hard to understand why this would happen because he did just raise $38 billion and be celebrated by the entire industry for basically inventing God for the last three months of his life. So it's understandable that he would be on a little bit of an ego trip right now, but I think he's handling it exceptionally poorly. I also think that you really don't want to go into negotiations with Hegseth immediately

after raising $38 billion and being told that you invented God. I think this is like the worst possible mentality to approach negotiations with Hegseth. So I hope I'm not being indiscreet. You predict Monday morning USA time some unusual news regarding this. Let's see what happens, Lucas. But yeah, what you see future of AI, let's see, in the next five years or so, do you see major, for example, robots in people's homes and things like this? What do you what do you see to develop? I don't I don't want to do the weird I'm a very bad like predictor of long term tech trends like this. But I will say that I think in terms of the ideology and implementation of this stuff, it appears at this point that frontier level AI cannot be developed outside of the US.

None of the Chinese labs are anywhere close to competitive with the US labs. And there's no other country that's even competitive with China, really. So America is the only one that is capable of developing these frontier AI models. And if you leave, like if Anthropic were to say, oh, the US government says that I'm a supply chain risk, so I'm going to go to another country, I actually don't think it works. I think the US will kill them. So I think there's this weird situation where AI is going to be centralized as somehow as like a US government asset in some form, maybe if not in name, in practice, just because it can only exist and be developed here. And if they try and leave, like they just get killed, you know, like if Anthropic goes

to like Europe or something and tries to get them to support it, like I think the US just PsyOps it or just openly bombs it or says this is treason says you you can't go they do something really goofy I would presume well this extreme interesting, by the way I don't know the details but like deep seek that's Chinese thing and people were saying it's it's awesome And you're saying it it not good or what? So it's it's good for being free right, like the the thing to note with all of the big frontier models is that you are you cannot run these locally like I could not download the weights or the code to run this on my own local machine. I have to be connected to the internet. Like I have to be talking to open AI servers to use chat GPT. If I'm

using deep seek are one or like they're coming out with a v4 soon, like I can download that, put it on my computer and run it locally. And for that purpose, the open the Chinese open source models are very good and cool. And they do a lot of stuff like allow you to code and make like, you can make like nice Python scripts and do like bash coding and stuff like that that is useful in your own personal life but they get fucking mugged by the US the US closed source models and they're always like I don't know like anywhere between like three and 12 months behind developmentally because the way that a lot of the Chinese models are made is by just distilling the US frontier models you know every every couple weeks you'll hear about like Google or anthropic

or some other big US lab announcing that they've detected another Chinese cluster that's it's generating ordered pairs from their model. And basically what's going on there is, Chinese people are hitting the API and they're asking prompts and then recording the outputs, such that they can go do post-training on their own model to try and make their own model more similar to the closed source model from the US labs. So these Chinese labs could not develop what they have without the US lab data. If US labs all decided to just shit the bed like, stop allowing them to do this at all. Like they made their they made their models close and only focused on internal development. I think China's just like kind of fucked. I think

they enter like the medieval ages of AI development because they do not appear to be able to push the frontier on their own. Very interesting. But let me ask you, since we're talking about sex ores and women's earlier, do you think, okay, people have told me, I made a bet they said within the next year, there will be a robot in your home available, domestic help. And I think I won that bet and then someone else said they should have made bet with you in five years. That's more doable. Do you think that – I know you don't like to make predictions on frontier technology. Two questions relate. Do you think this domestic robot in next five years and do you think what people – female replacement sex robot possible in the next five to ten years or something like that.

I could definitely see robots in your houses in like five years or something like that. Like Elon has really just been impressing me with a lot of this shit honestly. Like the fact that he's planning to release like a fully self-driving cyber cab that you can like rent out to a fleet to do like secret uber driving when you're like sleeping and shit like that and and he's going to sell this for 30K, it's fucking insane. The fact that he just sold Tesla Cybertrucks for 60K is fucking insane. I'm being consistently impressed by this shit. And I don't think that a robot is like, you know, like a robot and like a good robot are very different things, you know? Like we can definitely have like a shitty consumer robot that like does the dishes or like lets your dog out

or something where it's like, I guess like, like, you know, like wealthy people will buy it just to be like, ah, yeah, like Elon is crazy. He's changing the future, bro. Look at my dog letter outer robot. But like a robot that functionally is capable enough of like a mimicking human action to the extent that you could feel like romantic spark towards it, I think might be a little bit harder. I don't know how, I think it's probably farther out, but. Do you believe then virtual reality that people keep promising, which I haven't seen any, but that that could be sex or as a replacement. My stance on like virtual reality and like all these AI sex dating changes is that like, I don't really think that AI or robotics is going to do anything that we haven't already seen.

Like the classic example that I always give is people were like, oh, the AI dating, we're gonna, people are gonna be dating AIs. And if you look at the average person right now, what they have is a situation where on Instagram or hinge or something like that, They have maybe three to five people that they have ongoing conversations with. These are like romantic interests allegedly, but they will never meet up with these people, right? Like they have no intention to actually meet these people. They just like weirdly loosely flirt with them every now and then. These are already effectively AI relationships, right? Like there's not really a difference between like a person that you never intend to meet and an AI as far as I can tell.

And you have you have stuff like that that will probably just continue to like whatever the modern trends of like totally synthesized relationships are. I think they just continue with robots in a way where like I see. Well what about like artificial wombs? I'm asking if we can get rid of women and this this plague on mankind. I yeah like I I think that we're entering a very goofy territory. We saw this with like the Olympics where you have, you know, there were those two Asian girls. You have two like half Chinese, like bio-engineered test tube babies, right? You have one raised by like a single father, one raised by a single mother. And you can immediately tell which was raised by the dad and which was raised by the mom. Like you have the bubbly, nice, like warm one.

And then you have like the cold, like female hyper bitch mega predator one raised by the single mom. Uh, and it's like, I think we probably are going to get like artificial wombs or something like that. But like in the meantime, before we get that, we're just going to be doing a lot of surrogate and sperm donor baby raising where, uh, like people just do it on their own in China. It's already becoming fairly popular. And like whenever I point this out, someone says, Oh, but it's illegal in China. Like what do you mean? It's because it doesn't matter. This shit is super fucking easy to, the way that they do it is they will have a surrogate, uh, send the surrogate to give birth in the U S so their kid has like a U S passport because because it is the best passport, you're a Chinese elite,

you want them to have a fucking U.S. passport. And then your surrogate or yourself, if you sperm donor it, goes to the U.S., gives birth, now birthright citizenship, congratulations, you have a U.S. passport and you have your kid, right? And it doesn't matter that the Chinese law says you're not allowed to do this because again, you didn't do it in China, you did this in the States. So it's becoming a much more common thing for wealthy Chinese people to do. And the Asians are in AI, Like they're always on the bleeding edge of gender dystopia. And you can almost always predict what new gender-based horrors are going to be inflicted upon the US by looking to like Japan, Korea, China, et cetera. And I don't think this is going to be any different, man.

Like I think you're going to start having a bunch of these, you know, like people talked all the time about like how the millennial generation of women is going to be the most like absolutely raped by the knowledge that they've missed like their fertile years. going to like die alone, I think they're going to start fucking turkey bastering themselves at rates that would shock you. Yes, but this isn't this always been problem with the upper middle class. You know, they have one globohomo baby at the age of 39. And you know, with this Asperger's baby and so on, isn't it heaven? I heartiest was talking about this 15 years or more ago that they do so now what difference they they do it on their own or isn't this not a dysgenic? Yeah, yeah, I think the interesting

thing with a lot of this stuff is that currently, it's very IQ is dysgenic. Sorry, go on. Well, I think, like sperm banks don't let people be as selective as certainly a lot of these Asians would like right like, and you're gonna have this weird thing where like, if people People start having normal babies less and they start doing sperm donation shit more. People will get really freaky and eugenic with their preferences for this stuff, which I think will sort of piss off the opposite gender. I know when guys hear about women selecting for sperm and the traits that they're looking for, it pisses most guys off, right? Because if you're outside of the selection criteria, it inherently pisses you off, right?

And when guys are talking about like what they're looking for in a mother, it similarly pisses women off because now they're like, you're basically being told that like evolutionarily like you would not be picked if anyone had a choice for like 99% of like the average people. Uh, so I don't know, man, I'm very bearish on gender relations. I do not believe that they are going to get better. I believe that they are going to get worse in like more horrifying ways than you could ever predict. Every new tool is going to be something that people use to, like, allow themselves to, like, detach. Like, if we assume that people basically don't need the other gender for things anymore,

I think that the use of technology is literally just going to be, like, replacing the opposite gender as much as possible. Yes, in closing, I do want to ask you just on this, Lucas, because I'm writing off and on, you know, I article on idea of a sex cult, kind of orgy main ad cult to increase fertility among the people where it actually is lacking and where it's important that maybe they have baby with upper middle class, let's say, high IQ people, other criteria you can imagine. That type of girl has very low fertility throughout her life. And as a statistical matter, I mean, and how you increase that. And I think this sex cult idea, plus, of course, that wouldn't be enough, but the sex cult plus, yeah, the orgies plus massive, massive bounties. I'm not talking like $5,000 child

tax credit, which wouldn't motivate anyone except people who want to motivate exactly the worst person to have sex. Like if you're like, I feel financially stable after receiving $5,000. So I'm going to go have kids now. It's like you are just peak like welfare maxing like this is the worst thing in the universe. Yes, it's horrible. But I mean, much, much more than that. Something on order of 200,000, 300,000 and you give men who are past certain selection criteria, bounties for impregnating women and maybe themselves dispersing that. I don't know exact parts of how the system would work yet. But the very high cost, I think it can be economically defended. I think in the long, in the long run, it's an economic

win if you can get a baby boost from that demographic. What you think my idea this last thing I asked you Lucas or something along those lines? You know, I think that's great. I think anything that can be done to get the right group of people reproducing is very good. And like, it's still, it's still in theory happens, you know, like I do know, I do know good couples that both like figure out how to make the thing work, but the money is obviously like a huge issue and both of them have to sort of like, have like a romantic idea of this thing, because in a lot of cases, it just doesn't make sense practically. Like it's not one of those things where you look at it and you're like, if I'm making a calculated decision, this makes tons of sense.

So yeah, I think the government has to throw like tons of fucking money at like a few families like this somehow. And I mean, we also have to be a lot more realistic about like the way that you raised kids now because like this whole parenting thing has become like a consumer rug. I'm not gonna fully say like, you know, there's all those like weird homesteading guys that are like, oh, like I've raised my kid on $4.72 a month for the last six years of my life by making them cut wood for me in the wilderness or whatever. That's obviously retarded, but we have gotten a little bit silly with the amount of spending that we have to do on these kids or what we think is normal or required. Yeah, some neglect would be useful, but of course, Lucas, I grew up, I'd never say neglected as a kid,

but I was allowed to range freely in an urban zone, in a city, because my parents knew that nothing would happen to me if I stayed out all day in the center of this city with my friends, and I think whether it's, I don't know if it's high crime rates or just parents being much more neurotic now, but if they don't feel they can do that, you know? I think it's a combination of both, because I was the same way. Like, it was like, be back by eight, bro, like, enjoy your time, right? And I was just like off fucking off doing whatever I wanted. Like, and I was, I mean, like I had a YouTube channel where I was like putting a bunch of black powder into like tree stumps and like blowing them up and shit. Like I was doing stuff that would have been considered like domestic terrorism now.

And it's like, you just can't do that now because of the aforementioned, not like a neuroticism, but also like there's a bunch of weird crime. Like the crime is actually like legitimate. It's not purely neuroticism, right? Like you can't actually just get your kids smoked, which isn't super great or abducted or whatever the fuck. But I mean, I do kind of hold, like I don't know if you have pets, right? But I'm a cat guy. I'm a cat guy because I want to be able to fuck off, right? Like I travel all the time. With a cat, I can genuinely just leave for like four weeks and I like, I have food out in the garage. I have like water running for it. It has like a safe place to hide if some raccoon or some shit makes it. Wait a minute, explain to me, you leave your cat.

Obviously cats famously don't like to travel their territorial they get attached to territory, but you you say you leave it alone You don't have like a cat caretaker. Yeah, I just leave it I mean at this point it's gotten not It was it was kind of rough because when I was in Taiwan actually a bunch of people from my neighborhood tried to like adopt the cat so it's like still living with because I don't want to like a D adopt my cat from this family of four that has now Picked it up. But uh, yes, I see everybody I trained my cat really well Everyone in the neighborhood freaking loved it. So they would all like whenever I leave, they try and take it. And there was like a group chat of like my the people in my neighborhood who like we would take care of my cat or try to take it.

And it was just crazy lady who like told me that she like slept with my cat one time. And I was like, that's what I mean. But listen, what what what breed cat, what breed cat is this? I know you have some opinion. So I, I literally, uh, I just walked into the shelter and I said, like, I want you to give me the fucking biggest, most athletic cat that you have here. Uh, and they were like, I want to show you one. And so we walk over to the little cat cells and there's like this one that has like a plexiglass cover over the top. It's like a seven foot cell with like plexiglass and none of the other ones have this plexiglass cover over it. And I was like, why, why is the cover over it? And they were like, he jumps. And I was like, Holy fuck, he can jump that high, dude? Oh my God.

Wait, this is a Bengal? What breed is this? No, it's literally, it's a random stray, like a black cat that has like white spots on its feet. Wait. But literally a mutt. But how do you, so you prefer the, Lucas, we should go soon, I want you to come back, but before we do, I need to get this cat thing straightened out, what, what are your favorite breeds of cat, you say you like the mutt? I was told to get Siamese or something like this. I just basically wanted like a, I wanted like a very friendly like hyper predator that I thought was like an interesting animal. And so I just, I wanted to go to a shelter and see a bunch of them and see which ones I liked. I don't know. I'm like a little bit, I don't know if I believe that I can just go for the breed that I want

and get the personality that I want out of it. Like I want to do like a very individual selection. And if I have to sacrifice on like whatever the specific breed is to get like one that's fucking very cool. Like I can walk to the grocery. Like I can walk like literally three, four miles to the grocery store and this thing will like follow me the whole way. I can go shopping and it's just like walking around off a leash. Like it'll go like fuck around with some other people while I'm doing this and then like come back. Very cool animal. I want the cat. I want the pet cat, but I was told to get This or Bengal? Look, it is a long discussion, actually. Please come back, because we can just keep going, Lucas. I am having such a fun talk to you, but we are well past the two-hour mark,

and I'm afraid our audience may be too long show for them. But next time you come, can we talk about which breed cat most sexy and such thing? I want... Absolutely. I was told the Bengal is like a dog like that. very different question than would I adopt right like I incidentally adopted a weird mutt because I liked him but like I will say his looks had to grow on me like I thought he was a bit of a he wasn't quite ugly but he was a little homely it's a homely cat for sure yes but what before we go what breed cat most uh most beautiful I don't like the long-haired ones uh I do like the bangles a lot uh ah fuck the one that has the super goofy ears like the mean ears I actually really like that one i know that's like a super soy take but no i don't know this but there is uh

that is it called the fennec there's uh uh is that the cat uh or is that the fox is a desert cat with there's a cat with huge ears or am i confusing that i think i'm confused as a fox i think this might be no but there is good i believe in fox cat mix i believe listen they're trying to I'm trying to interfere with you. Oh God, I'm the worst. It's literally called a FLOPPA, F-L-O-P-P-A. Yes. I just think it's so goofy. I want this. Listen, Lucas, they're interfering with brain signal, but please, you are welcome. Please, you come back to Caribbean rhythms. I've great enjoy talk to you. And we will talk engineer cat human future next time, because I believe this is overcoming of man, the kind of cat hybrid, like a human type, humanoid body with cats. We would definitely fix the birth rates

if we were all half cat. Yes, I believe in this. The cat is very sex animal. It's honored to have you on show, Lucas. Please, you come back, what you say, yes. Absolutely. Very good. Final fun fact, did you know that cats have barbed penises? Yeah, they like to rape. The cat sex source is always rape, and that's how you know that they are superior creature because this, but it's built in. Very good, well I must go now, look on street for stray cat, very good, until next time Lucas and bap out.